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mjmedlo:I like the idea of portability of the tablet part of the moment but I like choosing my music.
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
L1NO: The center of a NL music system does not exist any more! All music is decentralized in a way there are thousand of sources of which already any BV or Essence can control! With the updates a simple 'Join' command of a beo4 let's you listen in on any room which could play already any source.
The center of a NL music system does not exist any more! All music is decentralized in a way there are thousand of sources of which already any BV or Essence can control! With the updates a simple 'Join' command of a beo4 let's you listen in on any room which could play already any source.
The 'center' of a NL music system exists - with the arrival of the Moment!
The 'center' of a audiosystem is not the sources (local or sky-base) you have - it is the 'place' where you have access to these sources
It is where you organize and choos, what to hear through an interface. By the way: this has always been so.
In case of a Moment the guys in Struer seem to know, that this must be done through different algorithms (MoodWheel/PatternPlay) and your own active access to the files becomes the secondary way of interfacing. Most peoplee will like it that way - some won't.
The Essence and the A9 (new version) are in themselves complete audiosystem (controlled by the 'wheely'/the touch controls of the A9 or the BeoRemote app, or served through AirPlay/Bluetooth). But integrated in a NL-setup they can act as clients to 'join' with the music played through the Moment. This way the Moment becomes the 'Master' of the system/the NL system. The 'center' so to speak - the 'center' of a (B&O) audio multiroomsystem.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:The 'center' of a NL music system exists - with the arrival of the Moment! The 'center' of a audiosystem is not the sources (local or sky-base) you have - it is the 'place' where you have access to these sources It is w here you organize and choos, what to hear through an interface. By the way: this has always been so. In case of a Moment the guys in Struer seem to know, that this must be done through different algorithms (MoodWheel/PatternPlay) and your own active access to the files becomes the secondary way of interfacing. Most peoplee will like it that way - some won't. The Essence and the A9 (new version) are in themselves complete audiosystem (controlled by the 'wheely'/the touch controls of the A9 or the BeoRemote app, or served through AirPlay/Bluetooth). But integrated in a NL-setup they can act as clients to 'join' with the music played through the Moment. This way the Moment becomes the 'Master' of the system/the NL system. The 'center' so to speak - the 'center' of a (B&O) audio multiroomsystem. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
Lots of people now use their computer as hi-fi system, but lots of people don't want to turn a computer on to listen to music.
I am in this case. Even if i use my computer to rip my CD and transfer the music files on my BeoMaster 5, the computer is often off.
So, i see the Moment as a true Music System, like a BeoSound 9000 or a BeoSound 5.
And i must say that i really like it !
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leosgonewild: I will not say too much about the moment before I have seen it, but for me it seems that you are basically paying for a piece of wood with a logo on it..
I will not say too much about the moment before I have seen it, but for me it seems that you are basically paying for a piece of wood with a logo on it..
Again - no, no, no!
The BS Moment is the concept of listening to music/the sources, that you have access to. It is about, what B&O think is the right way for people to have music in their homes - in the world of today .
What you get is a new way of interacting with what you listen to - and a way to distribute this to other rooms in the home.
The box and the panel is the vehicle, that brings this experience to you.
We can argue, whether we like this way of using music or not - but that is a different subject.
What you do with your piece of aluminium (the Mac) and a plate of glass and metal (the touch screen of the iPad) is interacting in another way.
You use the concept, that Apple (and others for other apps) has prefered.
That is perfectly ok - if that is the way, you like to do it! (I do a similar thing/setup, because I am not quite convinced of the algorithmic way of choosing my music - I never fancied MOTS either.)
But don't tell us that the Moment is basicly a 'piece of wood with a logo on it'!!!
You - probably - would correct me, if I said, that your set up merely is a 'block of aluminium
and a seperate piece of glass and aluminium with a logo on it'
Understanding the concept of the BS Moment is the important thing.
Then you can decide, whether you like it or not/need it or not/will afford it or not.
You could even come to the conclusion that the vehicle (the box and the tablet) is so ugly, that you - for that reason alone - won't buy it.
It is your choice!
The Beosound Moment does not bring anything that you can't already do with a setup that includes an iPad and an Airport Express or a PlayMaker, that's right, just like the Beosound 9000 did't bring anything compared to existing 6 CD players.
The Beosound Moment brings the elegance, the ease of use, the audio quality, the touch of magic that B&O is known for.
PhilLondon: The Beosound Moment does not bring anything that you can't already do with a setup that includes an iPad and an Airport Express or a PlayMaker, that's right, just like the Beosound 9000 did't bring anything compared to existing 6 CD players. .
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I disagree!
Millemissen:I disagree!
Oh well, I thought I was going in the same direction as you!
Steph: Lots of people now use their computer as hi-fi system, but lots of people don't want to turn a computer on to listen to music. I am in this case. Even if i use my computer to rip my CD and transfer the music files on my BeoMaster 5, the computer is often off. So, i see the Moment as a true Music System, like a BeoSound 9000 or a BeoSound 5. And i must say that i really like it !
The BeoMaster 5 is a computer, just not your general purpose one! Some will use Mac minis or whatever else as always turned on Media servers just like a BM5.
Ban boring signatures!
my mobile is a computer, even my old calculator is a computer. I think he sees the whole system (BM5 with BS5) as one Music device.
With the Moment many sources come together in one device and can be controlled just with that device (and nothing else), so it is a "Music System".
Brigantinus: my mobile is a computer, even my old calculator is a computer. I think he sees the whole system (BM5 with BS5) as one Music device. With the Moment many sources come together in one device and can be controlled just with that device (and nothing else), so it is a "Music System".
I disagree - he was specifically comparing a BM5 to a Mac and stating he didn't want to use a computer as a hifi system. My point is that his BM5 is a winXP computer, he just doesn't turn it off!
There may be many reasons to own BM5, powerlink and better DAC being some, but to claim it is somehow different to using a Mac (or other computer) as a music source just isn't true.
Puncher: I disagree - he was specifically comparing a BM5 to a Mac and stating he didn't want to use a computer as a hifi system. My point is that his BM5 is a winXP computer, he just doesn't turn it off! There may be many reasons to own BM5, powerlink and better DAC being some, but to claim it is somehow different to using a Mac (or other computer) as a music source just isn't true.
I think there is a big difference:
With a computer you have much more possibilities (browsing the intenet, watching movies, reading emails,......
A "music computer system" is of course a computer, but it is specialized. You use it just for music! Technically it's the same, but the feeling is different.
And as i said before: The Moment is the only system i know, who can search in Deezer (or Spotify, or......), who finds internet radio stations,.........(all functions) WITHOUT using a computer(or pad, or telephone).
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
@Phil London
'The Beosound Moment does not bring anything that you can't already do with a setup that includes an iPad and an Airport Express or a PlayMaker, that's right, just like the Beosound 9000 did't bring anything compared to existing 6 CD players.'
The BS Moment has an user interface, that focuses on serving you music with the help of the 'MoodWheel' and the 'PatterPlay' technology. That is the priority of the interface.
These are things, that an iPad/APE or Playmaker combo could never do!
In the second place the Moment lets you explore the music (local or cloud-based) through the good old 'Genre, Artist, Album' browsing/search.
That is what you can do as well with the iPad/APE-Playmaker combo......if you have the right app or rather apps.
And the BS9000 brought a whole lot more that just 6 CD Players could bring - it let you play music ramdomly from all your 6 CD's without you having to do or think about anything other than to start the playback. It was the 'state of the art' jukebox at that time.
The Moment is the jukebox of today - drawing from your own collection as well as from a streaming service (and internet radio)....without you having to think or do anything. You just have to start the playback.
You might even say, that it is a successor for the BS9000 in the post-disc-era?
Are you still with me
What i want to say, is that my BS5/BM5, even if the BM5 is windows embbed, is not a "true computer" that we turn on to read e-mail, surf the web, use itunes or Windows Media player,...
It is not a device like a tablet or a smartphone too.
It is a lounge music system with a tactile aluminium wheel, a great GUI and a clever function (MOTS).
The BM5 can act as a NAS, OK, but paired with the BS5, it's is a hi-fi stereo system.
Millemissen:I disagree! MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Beste Grüße / Best regards
Schlaumeier
Setup Livingroom: BeoVision 10-40 and 10-32, BeoLab 6000 front, BeoLab 4000 rear, BeoLab 11, Ouverture, Apple TV 2 & 4, Airport Express, 6 x LC2.
Other Rooms: 3 x BeoSound 8, BeoVision 8-26, MX 4002, 2 x Keyring, 2 x Beolit 15, A1, Airport Express, 4 x Beo4, 2 x Beocom 5
Currently I use my Mac Mini as an integrated part of my music system.
It is always on! There is a DLNA server (actually more servers) and the Logitech Media Server (for my two Squeezebox'es) running off it. My local music files still are on a NAS, but I could have transfered them to the Mac (if I have had the time) instead.
My 'interface' is combined from a few app's on the iPad and the playback (DLNA and AirPlay) is made through the Playmaker respectively through the Squeezebox connected to the line-in of the Playmaker.
I couldn't care less whether a computer is integrated into my setup or not - as long as it works!
Doing what I do from the rooms in my house, I don't notice the Mac.
If I want to use my Mac as a computer, I go to the desk, where it is located, sit down and do whatever you do on a computer.
However - what I find interesting with the BS Moment is, what I can't do with my current setup.
Being basicly an 'album listener', the kind of guy, who wants to be in charge of the music - and not needing a jukebox - I am very much looking forward to find out, whether you can use the Moment this way. Or if the 'MoodWheel'/'PatterPlay' thingy has too much priority in the interface (for my taste)?
I guess I won't be able to find out, untill I have had the opportunity to play with it more intensely at home.
If you are a person, that listens to music like most people do nowadays, the Moment will be the perfect music system - much better than any computer/tablet/Playmaker... combo!!!
Schlaumeier: Millemissen: I disagree! Boah, geht mir dieser 'MM' hier aufn Keks. Wirst Du für die Kommentare von B&O bezahlt, die Du hier fabrizierst? Die Moment ist ein weiteres (wie einige China oder Tschechien-Produkte davor auch) überflüssiges sowie hässliches Produkt, welches kein Mensch (außer Dir) versteht noch benötigt. B&O hat die beste Zeit erlebt - diese liegt aber bereits etliche Jahre zurück. Siehs doch einfach ein.
Millemissen: I disagree!
Boah, geht mir dieser 'MM' hier aufn Keks. Wirst Du für die Kommentare von B&O bezahlt, die Du hier fabrizierst? Die Moment ist ein weiteres (wie einige China oder Tschechien-Produkte davor auch) überflüssiges sowie hässliches Produkt, welches kein Mensch (außer Dir) versteht noch benötigt.
B&O hat die beste Zeit erlebt - diese liegt aber bereits etliche Jahre zurück. Siehs doch einfach ein.
Wenn du meine Kommentare fleissig liest, wirst du sehen, dass ich (persönlich) gar nicht so begeistert bin von dem Konzept des Moments.
Und nein - ich werde nicht bezahlt von B&O. Wahrscheinlich würden sie mich auch aus diesem Grund 'rausschmeissen, wenn ich wäre.
Letztendlich will ich nur verstehen, wie BeoSound Moment funktioniert - viele haben da scheinbar nicht begriffen, was B&O damit will.
P.S. Überspring doch einfach meine Kommentare - dann brauchst du dich nicht darüber aufregen.
Wenn du meinst, dass die Beste Zeit von B&O lange vorbei ist, brauchst du dir ja auch gar nicht für einen Thread namens BeoSound Moment interessieren, oder
Millemissen:The 'center' of a audiosystem is not the sources (local or sky-base) you have - it is the 'place' where you have access to these sources
Ok, i can get that. But accessing these sources does not need an Master audio system. The Essence already does alle music services. So we are only talking about a way how to find, order and group music. Mood -color wheel sound like a cool feature, which could be implemented in a 'master/center' type of device. (This could be a NAS) It does not however clarify the shape/design/type of device they have presented. Master devices are for physical music. If iTunes presented automatic mood playlists, than the Moment loses as an Essence in every room and an iDevice near you would be magic. (If they could join from room to room.)
Maybe an oldtimer at the age of 24, but i know what i want to hear. I never shuffle, color-mood or such.
Millemissen:Are you still with me
Absolutely, there was a second part to my post:
"The Beosound Moment brings the elegance, the ease of use, the audio quality, the touch of magic that B&O is known for."
What I was trying to say is that despite being similar in possibility to a Mac/iPad based setup, it will in fact be a lot nicer to use. Like the BS9000 is much nicer to use than a Sony 6 CD charger.
Millemissen: Schlaumeier:
Schlaumeier:
Please keep to English on the non-regional forums. Thanks.
--mika
Do you know if i could use a BS5/BM5 with BL3 in my dining room, and a Moment in my lounge connected to the BM5 (Wi-fi ? Powerline ?) and to a a pair of BeoLab WISA speakers ?
2 music systems, 2 pairs of loudspeakers, 2 rooms but 1 NAS (BM5).
Is it possible ?
Steph:2 music systems, 2 pairs of loudspeakers, 2 rooms but 1 NAS (BM5).Is it possible ?
tournedos: Millemissen: Schlaumeier: Please keep to English on the non-regional forums. Thanks.
This guy started a conversation in German - I was polite enough to answer in his language.
Don't worry - nothing of interest, and surely nothing that could bring this thread further, was written.
L1NO: Master devices are for physical music.
Master devices are for physical music.
Why?
In my understanding a 'master device' is a device, that can serve other devices as well - this has nothing to do with using 'physical music' or cloud based music.
The Moment can serve other devices, it can - as we now know - let The Essence or the A9 'join' in, to what it is playing.
The Essence is a BeoSound as well, but can not let other devices 'join' in to, what it plays.
L1NO: If iTunes presented automatic mood playlists, than the Moment loses as an Essence in every room and an iDevice near you would be magic. (If they could join from room to room.) Maybe an oldtimer at the age of 24, but i know what i want to hear. I never shuffle, color-mood or such.
If iTunes presented automatic mood playlists, than the Moment loses as an Essence in every room and an iDevice near you would be magic. (If they could join from room to room.)
L1NO distilled what we may all actually be agreeing upon. The Moment is a physical bridge to software. We all may not agree on how pretty it is, but it is basically a software interface. B&O has chosen to use the Moment as a software staging platform. Who knows maybe they'll license the Mood software so it can be used on other devices if the Moment does or does not do well -- maybe that's already in their business plan.
What I do not like about the moment is the price tag for what, to many -- as as fleshed out here in this thread, not worth the glamour of the system, and can be achieved by a Mac, or another device.
The Beosound 9000 actually brought art and motion to CD playing. It was displayed out in the open, it caught the eye, and it made users and watchers smile when it was in operation. That was the justification for the price premium that many here have paid and were satisfied with.
What is the price premium or reason for the Moment to exist? Yes, it brings together a diverse set of sources, yes, it has a mood algorithm which will learn as it goes. Okay. Software. That software can be ported to any touchscreen device, I don't think that's "special."
I want B&O to come up with devices which will wow me, the Moment falls short. I would be interested in installing the Moment's software in my Mac Mini, and having the user interface on my iPad... to see what the mood ring is all about.
And another question. MOTS, is it dead? Does the Moment have MOTS as well?
A device was a called a Master on a Masterlink network when it was set in Option 0, 1 or 2. There could only be 1 audio master and 1 video master. The order device being Slave (clients).
I think that the NL network doesn't have this concept of Master. Devices should be able to play both roles (Client/Server), and there can be several server devices.
The problem is, that - if you want to distribute (and integrate in your own interface) a streaming service (or AirPlay) over your network - you will have to get an accept for this for your device/s.
That may be the reason why B&O choose Deezer (and not Spotify), and left AirPlay out as well.
They wanted a device from which you can distribute everything, you can access there, to the other (NL) devices.
The Essece and the A9 both have Spotify (Connect) built in (and AirPlay) and can not be used for this.
If they should serve other devices, they would have to take Spotify and AirPlay out - a bad idea in my opinion.
The Moment - however - has the Mood etc functions, that they promote now, and this is what we have gotten by now. That is why I choose to use the word 'Master'.
In a pure/ideal NL setup you would be able to stream to and from any of the linked devices - that is for sure. And therefore there would be no Master/Slave in the classical ML sense.
The problem is, that we - because of copyright issues etc - won't see an ideal NL.
While I love using MOTS, a shortcoming has always been that each seed always generates the same linear playlist. This can get predictable and boring. I wonder if the Moment has improved on this to generate a random playlist?
To me, the beauty of MasterLink has been that you can walk from one room to another and enjoy the same music following you from the bedroom, to the kitchen, to the shower, etc. There's a sense of harmony about that. Of course, for some household it's also nice to have the option to play music in a room that's not the same as another room. It would just be nice to have that choice. After buying the BeoSound 5, I hoped that B&O would offer link room control screens to connect to the BeoSound 5 in the main room. This never happened. The best we got was software for in iPad to use via a MLGW.
I think that soon the need for a visual interface is going to become obsolete. Voice control is already a technology that works. I love being able to connect my iPhone to my car stereo and tell Siri what I want it to play. Most of the time the voice control works well. Siri just doesn't like it when I ask it to play French or Swedish artists or titles. In such instances, I have to give it a butchered English pronunciation. *grin* It will be interesting to see how Siri becomes integrated into home automation with the Apple HomeKit.
Raeuber:that would mean that you'll have access to Deezer, TuneIn and NAS music played on Moment via other NL products (Essence, new A9), but not to music (i.e. Spotify) streamed via Bluetooth to Moment with a smartphone or IDevice. Correct?
PhilLondon: What Spotify prevents is that 2 of your devices stream from their servers at the same time. If you play a song on one device and stream the same song in 20 rooms that's fine.
What Spotify prevents is that 2 of your devices stream from their servers at the same time.
If you play a song on one device and stream the same song in 20 rooms that's fine.
I would see it so, too.
That is what we (some of us ) do, if we connect an Airport Express/a Playmaker to a Aux-in of a ML-master.
Noone can deny you that.
And that will be, what a lot of people are going to do with the Moment I suppose.
But - in a way - you then loose 'the magic' of the Moment interface.
Millemissen:In my understanding a 'master device' is a device, that can serve other devices as well - this has nothing to do with using 'physical music' or cloud based music.
Physical music need's a base, a way to actual insert the music. Anno 2015 music is personal, in the cloud an all your devices already. Starting music on an device that prominently sits in the Livingroom to then distribute to the room you are? Comepletely misses the vision, which i support, is the tactile feel of music. Essence knob? Fantastic!
The great thing about this Moment is that it can get your dematerialised music from anywhere, from a NAS, from the Beomaster 5, from your computer's iTunes, from any app on you iDevice, Android, and from the internet (Radios and Deezer). That's quite exhautive!
One thing I have noticed as well, is that it seems to merge all these sources into 1, in fact into 2 sources: Music and Radio.
A radio station can be an Internet radio, in the classical sense of the term, or a Genre or Artist radio on Deezer for example.
L1NO:Essence knob? Fantastic!
Me again!
Gizmodo's review view: http://gizmodo.com/bang-olufsen-invented-a-giant-2800-ipod-1678217925
Wouldn't it be cool if the wood panel could match the wood finishes of the BeoLab 18 lamellas ?