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Not with iTunes Match you do not. Simply turn on iTunes Match, let it find, process and (if required) upload the audio to the cloud, then turn on the feature on your iOS device and you can stream your audio from the cloud, rather than from a NAS drive.
The advantage is that you do not need to worry about running iTunes, a server nor sharing your library. iTunes Match does all of that from iCloud.
I've setup iTunes Match using my main iTunes library and streaming from the cloud works absolutely fine using my iPad connected to BS8. You could then still use your NAS drive to push your audio to your BS5 in the regular way, without requiring iTunes.
moxxey:Not with iTunes Match you do not. Simply turn on iTunes Match, let it find, process and (if required) upload the audio to the cloud, then turn on the feature on your iOS device and you can stream your audio from the cloud, rather than from a NAS drive. The advantage is that you do not need to worry about running iTunes, a server nor sharing your library. iTunes Match does all of that from iCloud. I've setup iTunes Match using my main iTunes library and streaming from the cloud works absolutely fine using my iPad connected to BS8. You could then still use your NAS drive to push your audio to your BS5 in the regular way, without requiring iTunes.
MartinW:Hmm, yes i always look for lossless. Also moxxey - would that not mean buying a lot of cloud space to stream music, movies, photos etc?
Can't see the point of ripping everything to lossless. As I said, lossless is an audiophile's placebo way of thinking they are getting audibly improved quality, simply as they think they need to justify it because they've bought top quality speakers :)
And to rip to lossless, you need to buy lots of physical CDs. I'm bored of storing all my CDs now. I'd rather everything be digital.
Anyway, no, you don't need to buy cloud space. It's all part of the £22.99/yearly fee. The advantages outweigh the disadvantages for me (lack of lossless, but then who would want to try and stream lossless audio).
MartinW:The old ATV had a hard drive, seems mad that the new one loses this facility?
old systems age
old hard drives break
hard drives require back up hard drives
some times the backups break
all this needs management
i.e. time and dollars
year after year
I am with Moxxey, I rely on the iCloud and its Match service to be my backup, I let Apple get the gray hairs, and I use my time elsewhere
BeoNut since '75
MartinW:What about photos and stuff though?
Photos are handled by photo stream ... sort of
And, as regards "stuff", you may have a point there
I use iTunes on BeoMedia1. All my CDs are ripped to Apple lossless format. I aditionally installed a codec for apple lossless on the BeoMedia1.
BM1 is connected to Aux-in of BeoSound 3000. I use the Apple remote app to control iTunes.
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moxxey: Can't see the point of ripping everything to lossless. As I said, lossless is an audiophile's placebo way of thinking they are getting audibly improved quality, simply as they think they need to justify it because they've bought top quality speakers :)
So, original cd's are a placebo? What's improved on an identical copy of a cd?
This way of thinking leads us in future only buying compressed audio as the lot doesn't hear or bother the quality of it.
Beobuddy: So, original cd's are a placebo? What's improved on an identical copy of a cd? This way of thinking leads us in future only buying compressed audio as the lot doesn't hear or bother the quality of it.
I think you misunderstand the point. If you have CDs, rip them. No point buying separate digital copies. What I'm saying is that lossless is somewhat placebo - the difference for the average ear, from ripping most modern CDs, is negligible. Modern production is designed for the headphone generation, is generally quite centred in production and can sound compressed before it's even ripped from the CD.
With this in mind, it's now as easy or easier simply to buy most modern tracks digitally. Ripping the CD really makes only a slight difference to the audio quality (for the above reasons) and you then have to store all those discs and spend your time listening to the ripped digital version from your NAS drive.
There's clearly a difference with Blu-rays though. With those discs you often get a HD audio track. With the digital version you get a paltry basic Dolby Digital (5.1 if you are lucky), so if you have top quality speakers, you'll get a better experience watching a Blu-ray over a digital version of the same movie.
However, with recent and modern CDs, due to the nature of their mixing and production, lossless ripping offers only a negligible improvement over the same digital copies you can buy from, say, iTunes.
There are some people - an ever decreasing number of people - who stick to the belief that they must buy an original CD, at all times, manually and very carefully rip the tracks to lossless and only this will give them the best experience. Fair enough. No-one is stopping you or asking you to change your mind. It's just another option. But I don't have the time or the patience for this negligible difference.
Carolpa:@Moxxey If I listen lossless to ripped cds the bitstream is about 1000 kbit/s. So this signal has about four times more information as a 256 kbit/s from an iTunes song.
If I listen lossless to ripped cds the bitstream is about 1000 kbit/s. So this signal has about four times more information as a 256 kbit/s from an iTunes song.
As I said, you can do what you want. If you believe that you're getting such improved audio quality. Fair enough. If it makes you happier and more passionate, no problem. But, it's definitely much more of a placebo for most modern produced albums (ripping lossless compared to digital versions).
And, note, I'm not talking about us (the consumer) ripping at 256 using iTunes, I'm talking about the professionally digitised versions that the music publishers upload to iTunes. There's a big difference.
You've not even read my discussion properly - where did I say Dolby Digital isn't compressed?
I don't even see a valid reason to your answer. I also never said that they have the "same quality". I said it's a placebo effect. You think that the quality is higher, think there's a difference, but the difference is negligible.
You clearly do not understand "placebo" and "negligible". For your benefit: "Negligible refers to the quantities so small that they can be ignored (neglected)". Which is my argument.
moxxey:As I said, you can do what you want. If you believe that you're getting such improved audio quality. Fair enough. If it makes you happier and more passionate, no problem. But, it's definitely much more of a placebo for most modern produced albums (ripping lossless compared to digital versions). And, note, I'm not talking about us (the consumer) ripping at 256 using iTunes, I'm talking about the professionally digitised versions that the music publishers upload to iTunes. There's a big difference. You've not even read my discussion properly - where did I say Dolby Digital isn't compressed? I don't even see a valid reason to your answer. I also never said that they have the "same quality". I said it's a placebo effect. You think that the quality is higher, think there's a difference, but the difference is negligible. You clearly do not understand "placebo" and "negligible". For your benefit: " Negligible refers to the quantities so small that they can be ignored (neglected)". Which is my argument.