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Mixing components of different ages can be problematic…. none the less I know my Beogram 4004 can be remote controlled and wonder can it be remote controlled by my BeoCenter 9000?
It would be really “neat” if I could get the 4004 to play records with a remote control.
Assuming the technology of the BeoCenter 9000 is too new for the signals to be understood, what Beomaster would be appropriate?
I have a Beomaster 2400, but the remote has no PLAY function.
Lastly, whatever system will work, I will need the two additional DIN pins which were removed by the previous owner. Any idea where I might find such pins?
Jeff
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You will need a Beomaster 2400-2 (some Beomaster 2400 will also work, an almost definite indication is when the Phono DIN socket has 7 pins).The Beogram starts when you press PH on the remote.
This first incarnation of datalink doesn't work with the later.I have pins.
Martin
If you have the datalink pins and you add 'Phono' to a BEO4 will it be possible? I know it's later but for my Beocenter 9000 this obviously works with a BG9500 but would it also work for the BG4004 with the added pins and then operated by the BEO4?
According to the details page, it should also be possible with the Beomaster 6000 Quad system.
Dave.
Dillen:I have pins.
This Beogram 4004 is remarkable in so many ways that I really want to see it function as designed.
Martin, I think it is about time I restored this fine Beogram to its full capacity.
As such I would like to acquire the two missing DIN pins. You can send me a private message via BeoWorld or a direct email….. either is fine with me.
Thank you, as always.
Dave Farr: If you have the datalink pins and you add 'Phono' to a BEO4 will it be possible? I know it's later but for my Beocenter 9000 this obviously works with a BG9500 but would it also work for the BG4004 with the added pins and then operated by the BEO4? According to the details page, it should also be possible with the Beomaster 6000 Quad system. Dave.
Hi Dave,
I have a Beo4 remote, but I imagine it would be easier with a Beolink 1000 which has a PHONO button as well as a PLAY button.
However I believe what Martin is telling us is the Beogram 4004 requires a Beomaster 2400-2 in order to function.
Thanks for your interest.
Dave Farr:If you have the datalink pins and you add 'Phono' to a BEO4 will it be possible? I know it's later but for my Beocenter 9000 this obviously works with a BG9500 but would it also work for the BG4004 with the added pins and then operated by the BEO4?
No. Technically the two remote control mechanisms have nothing in common except for the extra pins in the DIN connector.
--mika
tournedos:No. Technically the two remote control mechanisms have nothing in common except for the extra pins in the DIN connector.
Hi Mika,
I was all but certain that the two remotes, original and Beolink 1000 were unrelated, but that does bring up another question.
It is the Beomaster 2400-2 that “instructs” the Beogram 4004 to play, not the remote itself, likewise it is the BeoCenter 9000 (or Beomaster 4500) that instructs the Beogram 4500 to play.
Is it a different internal signal to PLAY or are they the same?
Yes, and as it's the BC9000 that tells the TT to play, that's why I thought it may work. The actual remote used shouldn't matter as it only commands the BC to operate a certain function, be it CD, Tape or Phono.
I may give it a try with my BG4004 and BC9000.
Piaf: It is the Beomaster 2400-2 that “instructs” the Beogram 4004 to play, not the remote itself, likewise it is the BeoCenter 9000 (or Beomaster 4500) that instructs the Beogram 4500 to play. Is it a different internal signal to PLAY or are they the same?
I could post the exact same line I did above.
The remote control function of BG4004 WILL NOT work with any of the later Beomasters or Beocenters that use Datalink. I dunno about Beomaster 6000 quad.
tournedos:The remote control function of BG4004 WILL NOT work with any of the later Beomasters or Beocenters that use Datalink. I dunno about Beomaster 6000 quad.
Mika,
Unfortunate, but it seemed entirely possible, prior to your clear response.
This means the functionality of the Beogram 4004 is extremely limited to the Beomaster 2400-2 and it alone. Beyond peculiar!
To add to the “misery” I have a Beogram 8000 and 8002, both of which I rather imagine would work with the later Beomasters or BeoCenters, however, both Beograms have RCA connectors from the factory, and as such are useless with a remote.
Doubtless someone clever could build a code converter?, I've seen someone on Youtube control same turntable with an Apple Remote - so all things are possible -and it would be good to have remote control of it via a Beo4
Andrew:Doubtless someone clever could build a code converter?
Certainly, but I can only imagine somebody doing that for his own use for fun. Nobody would want to pay anywhere near real cost to make it a business case.
The remote control between BG4004 and compatible Beomasters is very simplistic. It doesn't have any "brains" to speak of at all, it is all implemented with a small handful of discrete components that detect some voltage levels and pulses. Certainly it will make an easier target for homebrew remote controls than any other Beogram that isn't prepared for remote control at all (because the 4004 has all the electronic control points available internally).
The real Datalink between later products is much more complicated, and more or less replicates the traffic from a Beolink 1000 compatible remote. That on the other hand is far too complex to implement without a microcontroller of some sort at both ends.
The beomaster 6000 quad does not remote control the record player. The 4004 will not work remotely in a Datalink system - I used a 4004 with a 5500 system as I prefer it but as you have to clean the record each time, it was no hardship to use it manually!
Peter
Thanks all for the informative and useful input.
As it happens my just restored Beomaster 2400 has a 7-pin DIN socket, so in theory it should work.
Now all I have to do it get those two missing pins.
The only thing you will be able to do with the remote is to start and stop the BG, as you have to clean a record and put it on the turntable, you are there anyway so why bother.
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
Hi Søren,
Yes I know, the Beogram 4004’s remote capabilities are primitive and limited, but isn’t it “cool” that I can sit across the room and press P and have the Beogram come to life and play a record?
I can then select any of 5 FM stations, and if I like, play the record again.
Martin will be sending me the 2 missing pins and with luck, this will work.
The Beogram 4004 is my unsung hero in that I don’t talk about it much on BeoWorld as it never causes any “trouble.”
In 8 years it has never needed a single adjustment.
This Beogram 4004 with its NOS dust cover and NOS MMC20CL is absolutely flawless and soon will be getting a good deal more use.
It may sound a bit silly but I am genuinely excited at the prospect of seeing what this 4004 was fully designed to do.
Not silly Jeff, its always a joy to get it working just because it and you can, and then the friends coming to visit, radio on "do you want to hear my new record" and then just press the button. Yes I understand you but why bother
Søren Mexico: Not silly Jeff, its always a joy to get it working just because it and you can, and then the friends coming to visit, radio on "do you want to hear my new record" and then just press the button. Yes I understand you but why bother
Because that way the 4004 can be all that it can be…. that which it was designed for.
Impressing friends…. and I am sure that it would…. would be nice, but for me while HARDLY a Søren restoration, replacing these missing pins in combination with my restored Beomaster 2400 makes this 4004 fully functional.
And I like that.
But first we have yet to see if it works….
This guy is a genius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlUd8O1f8z8
Genius indeed, very, very clever, but personally, I’ll pass on the unmentioned “upgrade” to an LED over the original incandescent lamp.
May I assume that although the communication between the Beomaster 2400-2 and the Beogram 4004 is highly primitive the communication between the early remote and the Beomaster 2400 is not?
I would guess it is infrared as it surely is not one of the “clickers” from sixties and seventies US television remotes.
I also assume that there is no common thread between the early B&O remote and the Beolink 1000.