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New ATV ordered ... Report back on weekend ?

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elephant replied on Fri, Oct 30 2015 8:21 PM
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multiroom (with previous ATV versions (?))

I doubt it.

We now have a grown up operating system - eg App switching.

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rob08 replied on Fri, Oct 30 2015 8:47 PM
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Button details - not all will map to an older Beo4 PUC ... and new tvOS has changes in long button / context menus

And the volume buttons don't work on my BV8's HDMI (of course, too old)

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Thanks. Anybody know if B&O will update the Apple TV PUC?
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rob08 replied on Fri, Oct 30 2015 8:48 PM
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Hi Rob!

It's coming, but so far Apple has had some issues with what Plex submitted so it was rejected. But it's back in review again and they seem quite confident it'll pass this time.

Thanks Paul. Looking forward to hear more info about it
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elephant replied on Fri, Oct 30 2015 10:21 PM
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Thanks. Anybody know if B&O will update the Apple TV PUC?

For me it is already good enough.

And a newer PUC would involve a BV8 service call.

A service call that could be in the price range of the ATV !

No thanks !!!

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Paul W replied on Fri, Oct 30 2015 10:47 PM

Hi Rob,

Right now, it does have 'air video hd' app to stream from a NAS connected to your Mac etc. May be worth giving it a try as a lot of people like that app :)

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Michael replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 1:15 AM
Got it. Fits in the avant 55". PUC works flawlessly. Could not learn the B&O volume up/down unfortunately. I hope for a solution (either that B&O sends ir codes to Apple (it's supposed to auto detect the brand and apply correct Ir response for volume if it can't use HDMI-CEC which B&O does not support).

I think it is in B&Os interest to make it work so I think we will see a solution. But who knows. Controlling the volume from either remote would be good. But everything works from the B&O remote (except touch and Siri of course).

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Michael replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 1:33 AM
Some features doesn't work. Like changing language in Netflix. You swipe down on the touchpad and the old way (hold down center button) does not work. So you have to use the apple remote for that, for now.

According to the learn remote dialogue now you can only learn the buttons from the old apple remote (so B&Os PUC is "up to date"). On the older Apple TV you could enable a few more ir commands than on apples own remote. Hopefully this will come back in future software updates. Good idea to send feedback to apple about that through their feedback page.

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Michael replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 1:35 AM
Oops. Spoke to soon. Swipe down on ir translates to arrow up. So you can control the audio and subtitles in Netflix!

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elephant replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 3:41 AM
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the old way (hold down center button) does not work.

This is what I meant the long press to invoke context menus has changed. Sometimes it works and you get the context menu; sometimes it works but instead of a simple context menu Apple is now using three dots (...) that you then need to click to get to a broader context menu; and sometimes it simple doesn't work - which may mean the context has moved !

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elephant replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 3:56 AM
@Rob08 and @PaulW

rob08:

Is the Plex app available in the App Store? Does it work well? Does it do subtitles?

Even though PLEX is delayed there IS a solution that works ... For the moment ... And for a small fee ... So I bought it and access my metadata and played an indie Big Smile next will be my music DVDs

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elephant replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 4:17 AM
Millemissen:

'Expand up to 1GB'....then you would have to have several apps open/running, before you need more than 32GB.

I'm still not quite convinced ;-)

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MM I did a test of downloading (playing while I was asleep Cloud Atlas (3 hours of HD)) and then doing a lot of other things (Photos, Apps/Games, Apple Music, other "downloads", and short 10 minute (Netflix) and 20 minute (iTunes) cartoons for the grandson).

Afterwards I was still able to scrub back and forth on the Cloud Atlas timeline and restart anywhere instantly.

A simple conclusion is that the 3 hours of 1084p remained cached. That is 32GB may have a use.

However I noticed something interesting ... the scrubbing behaviour may be available for other iTunes movies ie those that are not yet/ partially downloaded. And the behaviour is different elsewhere.

So I have a working hypothesis that Apple have indexed their content by transition sequences to allow you to scrub ahead of the download and start (instantly?) at points further ahead in the movie.

I will try to devise a test to prove this theory !

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elephant replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 4:20 AM
Millemissen:

'Expand up to 1GB'....then you would have to have several apps open/running, before you need more than 32GB.

I'm still not quite convinced ;-)

MM

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PS when you exit an App (including config, search, etc) it does not end ! Like on the iPhone/iPad it is suspend and remains in memory/ storage for an immediate resumption.

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Thanks for the info ;-)

I guess after all we should listen to Paul W and go for the 64Gb version.

But I will not be surpriced, if there is more to this need for a bigger storage.

Time will tell.

And thanks @Elephanth that you take the time for this indepth (re)view of the new ATV - really appreciated by a lot of us, I am sure.

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Sorry - it is elephant, not Elephanth 😏

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I am waiting for iPeng to release an app for the new ATV.

Being able to contact my Logitech Media Server from the ATV would mean access to my (NAS) stored music collection, TuneIN radio, music streaming (Spotify, WiMP etc)..... all in one giant interface. And, yes - playback from the LMS is gapless :-)

If not - well, the iPad Pro will have to do the job.

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beojeff replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 11:13 AM

I'm amazed at how natural it feels to use the Siri Remote. This is an elegant and very ergonomic interface. B&O needs to be paying close attention what Apple has done here. This should have been an idea for the next generation of the Beo6: providing a swiping interface on the touchscreen. Also, the Siri voice control makes navigation very fast. I would have preferred such an evolution of the Beo6 rather than the horrible BeoRemote One. I still find that I need to look at the buttons of the BeoRemote One before pressing. With so many buttons and no tactile button feel, the BeoRemote One is a failure in ergonomics.

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Raeuber replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 11:59 AM
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I'm amazed at how natural it feels to use the Siri Remote. This is an elegant and very ergonomic interface. B&O needs to be paying close attention what Apple has done here. This should have been an idea for the next generation of the Beo6: providing a swiping interface on the touchscreen. Also, the Siri voice control makes navigation very fast. I would have preferred such an evolution of the Beo6 rather than the horrible BeoRemote One. I still find that I need to look at the buttons of the BeoRemote One before pressing. With so many buttons and no tactile button feel, the BeoRemote One is a failure in ergonomics.

I had BeoRemote One for a few weeks and took it back to the dealer. It was not much fun do search for buttons and sometimes to switch the light on in my livingroom to press the correct button. BR One looks very nice and it's well made but yes, it's a failure in ergonomics.

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Paul W replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 2:08 PM

Thank you Mr Elephant. Very interesting :)

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Dave Farr replied on Sat, Oct 31 2015 5:26 PM
beojeff:

I'm amazed at how natural it feels to use the Siri Remote. This is an elegant and very ergonomic interface. B&O needs to be paying close attention what Apple has done here. This should have been an idea for the next generation of the Beo6: providing a swiping interface on the touchscreen. Also, the Siri voice control makes navigation very fast. I would have preferred such an evolution of the Beo6 rather than the horrible BeoRemote One. I still find that I need to look at the buttons of the BeoRemote One before pressing. With so many buttons and no tactile button feel, the BeoRemote One is a failure in ergonomics.

Makes me look forward to mine arriving next week even more - a nice surprise for the family as they don't know yet (unless they see this!).

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I have verified (to my satisfaction) that Apple scrubbing of a movie's time line does NOT require a full download.

I started "Captain America" (2 hour movie) and inside the first second (ie the start of the studio logo) I scrubbed to the one hour mark, and it again started playing at that point within 2 seconds.

I then scrubbed to almost the last 10 minutes, and again "instant" playback.

I then went backwards 10 minutes (the control was stickier/ stubborn and did not seem to want to instantly start moving backwards) and again I was able to almost immediately play from that point.

However (and obviously perhaps) the little post-it of the scene did not change from the last known play as I moved up and down the timeline.

However this now leaves open the question of how much, and what types and sources of, content is cached and for how long is it kept ?

However I noticed something interesting ... the scrubbing behaviour may be available for other iTunes movies ie those that are not yet/ partially downloaded. And the behaviour is different elsewhere.

So I have a working hypothesis that Apple have indexed their content by transition sequences to allow you to scrub ahead of the download and start (instantly?) at points further ahead in the movie.

I will try to devise a test to prove this theory !

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Apple Music > new Apple TV > BV8 and its speakers >join> BLC > Essence and its speakers

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....and that works?

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elephant replied on Sun, Nov 1 2015 10:32 AM
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....and that works?

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Absolutely - we were having a family dinner party.

Even when it's playing Beats 01 as test.

But note the direction - it was an analogue signal when it left the BV8 so no DRM checks.

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mcm replied on Sun, Nov 1 2015 6:26 PM

 

 

Problem with fitting Apple TV 4 inside Beovision 11 solved:

 

 

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Moses Martiny:

Problem with fitting Apple TV 4 inside Beovision 11 solved:

Necessity is the mother of invention Smile

Any comments on usage, best new apps, bugs , PUCs ?

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mcm replied on Sun, Nov 1 2015 7:29 PM

Haven't had a lot of time to play with the apps yet, but I did discover an app for DR (Danish equivalent of BBC) which is a nice addition, previously I had to stream DR via Airplay from my iPhone. 

The new Netflix app does take some getting used to. E.g. everything is re-organised and I haven't found an easy way to see if a film / show is available in surround or not (in the old app there was a Dolby-like icon to indicate this). 

The Apple Music app is almost as complicated as on the iPhone, leaving you to wonder where exactly everything is. Could not find a way to shuffle my iCloud Match playlists, the app only seems to be able to play the songs of the playlist in order.

The PUC works fine with my BV11 / Beo4, but obviously does not give access to Siri or the swipe functionality. Rev and FF is a bit tricky as they were clearly designed to work with swipe and not Beo4. E.g. you have to press 'left' one or more times to stop FF'ing, pressing the OK/Center button does not consistently seem to stop the FF'ing. I am not able to find the "jump to main menu" button mapped on the beo4, but perhaps when B&O update the PUC entry this will be available on the Beo4. 

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Nice work Moses ;-)
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elephant replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 12:19 AM
Moses Martiny:

The PUC works fine with my BV11 / Beo4, but obviously does not give access to Siri or the swipe functionality. Rev and FF is a bit tricky as they were clearly designed to work with swipe and not Beo4. E.g. you have to press 'left' one or more times to stop FF'ing, pressing the OK/Center button does not consistently seem to stop the FF'ing. I am not able to find the "jump to main menu" button mapped on the beo4, but perhaps when B&O update the PUC entry this will be available on the Beo4

Do the Apple Siri Remote volume keys +/- work on your HDMI/BV11 ?

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mcm replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 4:53 AM

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Do the Apple Siri Remote volume keys +/- work on your HDMI/BV11 ?

The don't appear to be. Have not played with the the ATV settings, though.

M.

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Michael replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 9:12 AM

Raeuber:
I had BeoRemote One for a few weeks and took it back to the dealer. It was not much fun do search for buttons and sometimes to switch the light on in my livingroom to press the correct button. BR One looks very nice and it's well made but yes, it's a failure in ergonomics.

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You had a BeoRemote One for a few weeks but Beo4 for many years. I've had both for over a year now and I like both. BeoRemote One has much more flexibility and its lighter and smoother. Beo 4 is nice but I would not say BeoRemote one is a failure in ergonomics. Both B&O remotes lack backlit keys but the One at least has a screen. 

Compared to the Siri Remote I find that BeoRemote One is more elegant and nice to use. I could do without the numbers on the remote and have a swipe-area there but that might be a thing for the future. 

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Michael replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 9:17 AM

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Do the Apple Siri Remote volume keys +/- work on your HDMI/BV11 ?


They wont work.

B&O dont support HDMI-CEC and Apple don't have the IR commands for B&O (otherwise it would try to automatically send volume to the TV via IR depending on the ID the TV sends over HDMI. I also tried learning the Apple TV the B&O Volume commands simply by using the learning feature and pointing my BeoRemote One (and Beo4) towards the Apple TV without any success. Not surprisingly so since B&O uses a complicated IR-solution). 

More info from Apple about controlling here: http://support.apple.com/appletv/home-theater 

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Michael replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 9:28 AM

The Video engine-systems (V1/11/Avant 55/75/85) has a EXT. IR input. Perhaps that could be used to send commands over a different IR-frequency but still the problem would be to get the TV to accept the code. 

I am also looking into an arduino solution using two different IR diodes to translate commands back to B&O so we could use Apple TV for volume on our B&O systems too. Perhaps a bit unnecessary but it is annoying with buttons that does not work.  

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Why is it sooo important to be able to use the volume buttons of the AppleTV remote? Don't we all have a Beo remote at hand all the time?

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Michael replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 10:10 AM

Millemissen:

Why is it sooo important to be able to use the volume buttons of the AppleTV remote? Don't we all have a Beo remote at hand all the time?

MM

Because it is messy to hold two different remotes mainly. And because it is fun to solve things Big Smile.

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Michael replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 10:27 AM

Some pictures


Apple Siri Remote, BeoRemote One (blank and matte, altough they look the same here).




Apple TV (4th generation) installed in BeoVision Avant 55".




My Avant was serviced the day after I got the new Apple TV, I took pictures of course. 



The new slow-motion screensavers are very beautiful and relaxing to watch. Like this one for example. (Don't mind the cable mess. I am moving in a month). 

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Michael:

Millemissen:

Why is it sooo important to be able to use the volume buttons of the AppleTV remote? Don't we all have a Beo remote at hand all the time?

MM

Because it is messy to hold two different remotes mainly. And because it is fun to solve things Big Smile.

The second part I can't argue against - certainly not ;-)

The first part, though! If you are so eager to have the A remote controlling the volumen and you don't want to hold two different remotes, it must mean, that you prefer the A remote to the B remote ;-)))

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Michael replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 11:43 AM

Millemissen:
The first part, though! If you are so eager to have the A remote controlling the volumen and you don't want to hold two different remotes, it must mean, that you prefer the A remote to the B remote ;-)))


Hehe, well I prefer the BeoRemote feel-wise but the Apple remote makes the Apple TV experience a bit quicker. Since it has two big volume buttons on it I just want it to work. If not for me, then for my guests. Non-working buttons is a no go in my home :).

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I've just set-up my ATV4 but cannot turn Siri on! I didn't activate the location service on initial set-up which it seems to need for some reason and haven't managed t be able to activate it since.

Edit: now fixed by telling it I was in the US and not in France!

I have to say that the picture quality when using Netflix or the screen savers etc are way better than the previous ATV3 I had. Much clearer and brighter.

I also couldn't get it to learn my BEO4 remote as it said it couldn't detect a signal.

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Michael replied on Mon, Nov 2 2015 2:29 PM

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I also couldn't get it to learn my BEO4 remote as it said it couldn't detect a signal.


B&O uses a 455 Khz IR diode and usual remotes are around 30-60Khz so that is probably the reason.

I agree, the picture quality is amazing and its also easy to jump back and forth now. Much quicker.

And the Home sharing feature is super quick! 

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Michael:

B&O uses a 455 Khz IR diode and usual remotes are around 30-60Khz so that is probably the reason. I agree, the picture quality is amazing and its also easy to jump back and forth now. Much quicker. And the Home sharing feature is super quick!

For the home sharing - do the computers etc need to be on the same network? My main PC is different to my ATV which even though home sharing is switched on, it doesn't work! I don't see that it should make a difference but I know nothing about networks etc.

I thought some people were using a BEO4 with it?

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