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Beogram 4002 is humming

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riis Posted: Thu, Feb 11 2016 12:25 PM

I have spend a lot of time cleaning, lubricating and adjusting and the tone arm lowers and lifts very fine now.

I connected it to my Beocenter 9000 and was sad to hear that it didn't sound very good. There is a humming sound which gets worse when I touch the cabinet.

Can it be a ground problem?

 

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riis replied on Thu, Feb 11 2016 2:34 PM

First I suspected the DIN plug as it isn't the original one. I have opened it and it looked ok.

Other places to look for a bad ground connection?

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Dillen replied on Thu, Feb 11 2016 2:46 PM

Check that the shield of the DIN plug actually connects to the chassis ground of the amplifier.
Run an external wire to diagnose.

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riis replied on Thu, Feb 11 2016 2:56 PM

Dillen:

Check that the shield of the DIN plug actually connects to the chassis ground of the amplifier.
Run an external wire to diagnose.

Martin

Pardon my ignorance but how do I do that?

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Dillen replied on Thu, Feb 11 2016 3:54 PM

Run a lead from the metal chassis of the Beogram to the metal chassis of the amplfiier.
The amplifier often has a small fingercrew near the phono socket, provided for this.

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riis replied on Thu, Feb 11 2016 4:16 PM

Dillen:

Run a lead from the metal chassis of the Beogram to the metal chassis of the amplfiier.
The amplifier often has a small fingercrew near the phono socket, provided for this.

Martin

Thanks Martin. I shall try that.

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riis replied on Thu, Feb 11 2016 4:24 PM

I have found the finger screew on the amplifier. Where would be a good place to attach the lead on the Beogram?

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Dillen replied on Thu, Feb 11 2016 6:44 PM

Some Beograms have a fingerscrew too, but anywhere on the metal, really.
Easiest would probably be to let the lead touch the tonearm housing while playing.

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riis replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 8:55 AM

Dillen:

Some Beograms have a fingerscrew too, but anywhere on the metal, really.
Easiest would probably be to let the lead touch the tonearm housing while playing.

Martin

It works fine with the lead attached as you descriped. No humming at all. So it must be the plug. Do you know what can be wrong with it? I have taken some pictures of the plug, but I can't upload them. Doesn't it work with a Mac computer?

 

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riis replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 1:03 PM

The DIN plug is with a "gold" metal housing. Should I replace it with one of plastic?

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riis Sad [:(] replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 1:05 PM

I'm not very good at soldering

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Dillen replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 2:21 PM

You could measure around a little and see, where the connection is lost.
Is it from the Beogram metal chassis to the DIN plug screen? Or from the DIN plug screen to the amplifier chassis.
You could also use the external lead for this; Fit it to the amplifier, touch the other end to the DIN plug screen, etc..

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riis replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 2:36 PM

Dillen:

You could measure around a little and see, where the connection is lost.
Is it from the Beogram metal chassis to the DIN plug screen? Or from the DIN plug screen to the amplifier chassis.
You could also use the external lead for this; Fit it to the amplifier, touch the other end to the DIN plug screen, etc..

Martin

I have tried to run a lead from the Beogram to the shield of the DIN plug. Same humming. That indicates that it is the plug that is faulty, doesn't it

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riis replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 4:22 PM

I then ran a lead from the screw on the plug to the fingerscrew on the amplifier. Then there was no humming. I think I can either keep it that way or replace the plug.

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Dillen replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 5:02 PM

My guess is, that the contact inside the amplifier socket, that receives the DIN metal shield has been bent in a way so it doesn't
touch the shield when it's inserted.
What type of amplifier are you using?

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riis replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 5:40 PM

Dillen:

My guess is, that the contact inside the amplifier socket, that receives the DIN metal shield has been bent in a way so it doesn't
touch the shield when it's inserted.
What type of amplifier are you using?

Martin

I'm using a Beocenter 9000. I don't think the contact is faulty. I have a Beogram 4004 and another Beogram 4002 both with original DIN plugs and they work without problems.

Someone has put another plug on the Beogram that is humming. A "gold" metal one. The strange thing is that it looks ok. The soldering is fine and it doesn't look damaged in any way.

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Dillen replied on Fri, Feb 12 2016 8:24 PM

Replacing the plug would be fairly easy to try, I suppose.

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riis replied on Sun, Feb 14 2016 10:35 AM

Dillen:

Replacing the plug would be fairly easy to try, I suppose.

Martin

I have now replaced the DIN plug and the humming has gone! Right now Dire Straits - Communique is playing on the Beogram. Nice and clear sound.

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Dillen replied on Sun, Feb 14 2016 4:30 PM

Well done!

I suppose that was just one more case of a previous owner wanting to "upgrade" his system using shiny goldplated stuff..
Restore to original and it works again...

Martin

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