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I understand you can link a Moment or Essence MkII (with latest update) to a BV11 or Avant and it will use the TV's connected speakers. However from what I can find, it wakes up the TV - does this mean that the screen comes on? I also read that the Essence Remote has to talk to the TV, not the Essence or Moment.
if this is the case doesn't that just make the Essence/Moment an expensive smart button for the TV? Or have I got it wrong?
I ask as I will be getting a BL18 surround sound setup with a BV11 or Avant soon and would love to have a way of playing music from an Essence/Moment through the 4 sexy Speakers!
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I am sure others with more knowledge and experience can give you a better answer....but I just bought an Essence and have connected it to my Beoplay V1. If the Essence is active as a source, I can press Join on the Beo 4 or use the BeoMusic app to start music through the V1 from the Essence. It plays through the attached speakers. The screen does come on and displays the name of the piece of music playing but then goes dark. My Essence is located in a different part of the house than the V1 and there was a selection to be made in the V1 as to whether the Essence was in the same room as the TV or not in the same room.
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Chris Hassell: I understand you can link a Moment or Essence MkII (with latest update) to a BV11 or Avant and it will use the TV's connected speakers. However from what I can find, it wakes up the TV - does this mean that the screen comes on?
I understand you can link a Moment or Essence MkII (with latest update) to a BV11 or Avant and it will use the TV's connected speakers. However from what I can find, it wakes up the TV - does this mean that the screen comes on?
Correct. It displays source and e.g song title. It will then dim the screen, or stay on (configurable)
Chris Hassell: I also read that the Essence Remote has to talk to the TV, not the Essence or Moment.
I also read that the Essence Remote has to talk to the TV, not the Essence or Moment.
Thats my understanding too
Chris Hassell: I ask as I will be getting a BL18 surround sound setup with a BV11 or Avant soon and would love to have a way of playing music from an Essence/Moment through the 4 sexy Speakers!
You will absolutely be able to do that. In the sound settings you are able to set up exactly which role each of the 4 speakers will have when you e.g listen to music.
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
Thank you. I'm worried this is quite a slow user experience - am I wrong? Does it all come on pretty quickly?
If I use the app to select a source on the Essence, then touch the V1 icon on the app to add it, the V1 turns on very quickly.
Chris Hassell: Thank you. I'm worried this is quite a slow user experience - am I wrong? Does it all come on pretty quickly?
In my setup (BV11 and Moment) the time it takes to fire up the BV11 and play music from the time I press e.g. Radio on my Beoremote One is fully acceptable.
I am not overly excited that the screen turns on (even it dims) and preferred the earlier ML application, where I could play to the speakers of the BV (e.g., from the BS5) where the screen stayed blacked.
One question: any experience whether the "turn-on-screen" is a NL "issue" or a BV11/Avant issue? I am considering to add a ML/NL converter to my BV5. Can I play to the speakers of the BV5 over NL without turning on the screen? It used to work via ML (BS5), but curious whether it also works when using NL?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
I agree with you on the screen turning on. I know it's not THAT big a deal but it would be a lot more slick if the Moment could go 'through' the TV to the speakers without the TV visibly turning on. I heard today that Avant MKII is coming pretty soon. Fingers crossed this might sort it!
Cool thanks - I join from my BV11 in a similar way but that's me in another room turning on the BV11 to listen to the music there. My enquiry is more about the setup where I have my upcoming Avant with 4xBL18s and I'd like the Moment to use those speakers as if they're connected directly to it.
Sounding from others like this is possible, but the TV still has to turn on. Not the end of the world but not quite as slick as it could be I'd say.
Excellent questions regarding the Moment and TV speakers. When I fire up the Moment from the BeoRome 1, I find it quite usefull that the screens comes on to show me what it will play - however, it stays black when changing songs on the Moment tablet. The Moment tablet fades in/out whenever a new track comes on.
The one thing I am not happy with is the fact that I only use the BL18's connected to the TV for music, not the internalt speakers of the Avant, and yet the speakers lower and extend every time I activate the Moment. I prefer the clean look of the TV with the speakers hidden when I listen to music. Hope they can sort this out in a future s/w update.
Roger
Roger: Excellent questions regarding the Moment and TV speakers. When I fire up the Moment from the BeoRome 1, I find it quite usefull that the screens comes on to show me what it will play - however, it stays black when changing songs on the Moment tablet. The Moment tablet fades in/out whenever a new track comes on. The one thing I am not happy with is the fact that I only use the BL18's connected to the TV for music, not the internalt speakers of the Avant, and yet the speakers lower and extend every time I activate the Moment. I prefer the clean look of the TV with the speakers hidden when I listen to music. Hope they can sort this out in a future s/w update. Roger
Good info thanks Roger. I guess the speakers coming down are similar to my 'issue' with the TV turning on. Ideally it would at least act like it's just being a go-between and not give visible signs of turning on.
Some poster in the past have written, that the movement of the speakers is necessary for the WiSA-module to work properly.
If this is true, it will be hard to solve this 'issue' via software - unless in cases, where no WiSA connection is used.
They may also have choosen to let it lower to prepare for a swifter changing of speaker Groups, when playing.
Then again, maybe it could be possible to let the user (at least the non-WiSA user) choose the behauviour per setting.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
I guess that could be the case, but even more annoying as I had to wire all my WiSA speakers due to poor stability - and now have the WiSA module disabled. Dropping wireless transmission also got rid of a slight delay between the left and right channel when listening to music via the Moment.
Poor stability is one thing, but the delay problem is a really bad thing :-(
Was that only, when listening from the Moment?
Looks like you are correct, MM - there are a total of 4 wireless modules in the Avant, two of them just below the Room Awareness sensor (wifi?) and two in the speaker cabinet (Wireless Powerlink Interface).
The delay may have been present on normal TV viewing (listening) as well, but the center channel typically dominates the sound stage and may camouflage any flaws. The delay was not a big problem for the mrs in the house, but it actually gave me a type of headache that was unbearable when listening to the Moment. To me, it was very noticeable when listening to a dialogue on radio - sounded like an old equalizer from the 80's with the echo-function activated.
Seems that this is something, that Avant users have to live with...unless the choose to make differenciated settings with or without WPL enabled.
Hopefully they will think of this issue in future tv's and place the modules differently :-)
I shouln't really ask - but were your (front) speakers set up exactly the same way (distance etc) with wireless and with cabled PL?
Yes, exactly the same location.
I got home late a few weeks ago, when the mrs had filled the living room with friends and they enjoyed some music - with only the BL19 playing. The following day I tried to update the s/w in the speakers (but they already had the latest s/w) followed by the installation of the cables.
I would like to see another update to the WiSA speakers as well: unless they receive a specific power off command, they should glow red constantly: when watching a movie, it is sometimes difficult to notice the short red flash when one speaker turns off (especially the tiny LED on the BL19) - resulting in a surround x.y setup instead of a 5.1 setup :)
I will be really quite miffed if WISA doesn't work well when I've got my setup! Bit scared by what I'm reading here.
Hiort: Chris Hassell: I understand you can link a Moment or Essence MkII (with latest update) to a BV11 or Avant and it will use the TV's connected speakers. However from what I can find, it wakes up the TV - does this mean that the screen comes on? Correct. It displays source and e.g song title. It will then dim the screen, or stay on (configurable) Chris Hassell: I also read that the Essence Remote has to talk to the TV, not the Essence or Moment. Thats my understanding too
Sorry, just going back to this - the Essence Remote would have to be set to BeoRemote1 IR mode and can't continue to talk directly to the Moment via Bluetooth?? Seems odd.
Yes, you should set the Essence Remote to the correct BeoRemote 1 IR mode (LED A off, LED B/C/D on).
However, I must admit that - for music - both the Essence Remote and the BeoRemote 1 are not used that much. Either I end up using the panel of the Moment or the smartphone. There is one too many users in our house, and just pressing the button for music on either the Essence Remote or the BeoRemote 1 will usually give me some radio station or a Dezzer/Spotify playlist I have never heard of :) This goes for the pattern play on the Moment, too, I'm afraid - a feature along the lines of MOTS when it comes to actually being used IMHO.
Roger: Yes, you should set the Essence Remote to the correct BeoRemote 1 IR mode (LED A off, LED B/C/D on). However, I must admit that - for music - both the Essence Remote and the BeoRemote 1 are not used that much. Either I end up using the panel of the Moment or the smartphone. There is one too many users in our house, and just pressing the button for music on either the Essence Remote or the BeoRemote 1 will usually give me some radio station or a Dezzer/Spotify playlist I have never heard of :) This goes for the pattern play on the Moment, too, I'm afraid - a feature along the lines of MOTS when it comes to actually being used IMHO. Roger
Ha - interesting real-world usage feedback!
So using the panel on the Moment will activate TV and the speakers attached to the TV, but activating the moment with a Bluetooth connected Essence remote won't - weird don't you think?!
Indeed - and they only recommend the Bluetooth setting for Essence, all other configurations should use IR. And even those are confusing: if you do not have a BV11/Avant, you should use mode 1 (LED B on, LED A/C/D off)... this may change when they launch the BeoRemote 1 Bluetooth edition.
Roger: Indeed - and they only recommend the Bluetooth setting for Essence, all other configurations should use IR. And even those are confusing: if you do not have a BV11/Avant, you should use mode 1 (LED B on, LED A/C/D off)... this may change when they launch the BeoRemote 1 Bluetooth edition. Roger
So if you have an Avant in the same room as the Moment and an Essence Remote on the wall in IR mode - will it be possible to set the remote to an IR mode that just talks to one of those devices?
Sure, there are quite a few options you can go for - I'll try to upload all of them below:
Magic thank you! Wonder what the combo (Bluetooth & ir) modes are for?!
In my understanding it sends the 'usual' bluetooth commands for e.g. the Essence and at the same time an ir-command for an ir-compatible B&O (video/audio) device....
....but the question still remains: which ir-command???
Which command would the mode 8 send to an older audiomaster?
Even more interesting:
How will the new BROne/BT work?
Will that be similar - and with more possibilities/options for combining ir- and BT-commands.
And when will we see it (with the new tv/tv's?)?