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Does anyone have a "sure" source for the tuning and volume belts for a Beomaster 1600? I know Ricardo said he might have a source for 1, but how about 4?
Jeff
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Guys,
I am coming up empty. My 1600 functions to a degree, but needs major amplifier work, and I found a 1600 in good shape but with broken belts. Without replacements this amp is all but useless, so any ideas whee to find at least 2 belts?
I checked my best source in Denmark and it looks like the answer is sorry, none available.
Try Sonavor he has a link to a belt shop, you will have to measure and find the right profile, but ask Sonavor of how too
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
Søren Mexico: Try Sonavor he has a link to a belt shop, you will have to measure and find the right profile, but ask Sonavor of how too
Thank you Soren I attempted to send Sonavor an email via BeoWorld, but I am not confidant the message was sent. You have my email so please feel free to give it to him, if you think that would be useful.
As always I really APPRECIATE the help!
Will do
Thank you so much Soren. I heard from John and he recommended I talk with Rudy..... which I am about to do.
I really appreciate the help!
Hi Soren,
Rudy has never seen a 1600, so no dice. I think I am running out of options.
Still, I appreciate the help!
John had a link to website where they had and made belts in nearly all forms and length, I thought I bookmarked it but no. I think to remember that he bought some there
found something here, Read it all, you will probably have to order by length
Søren Mexico:John had a link to website where they had and made belts in nearly all forms and length, I thought I bookmarked it but no. I think to remember that he bought some there
John said he didn't have a Beomaster 1600 so no idea about the belts.
I don't give up easily, but I see surrender in the distance.
Søren Mexico:found something here, Read it all, you will probably have to order by length
Went to the site, but didn't "understand it." Perhaps with a fresh look in the morning I may find something. Once again, the effort IS appreciated.
Søren, Jeff needs the caterpillar bands.
Martin
Dillen: Søren, Jeff needs the caterpillar bands. Martin
Didnt know that thought that the link could help him
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Søren and Martin,
I sincerely thank you both for your interest and help, however I went back to the turntableneedles site an put “caterpillar bands” in the search field and came up empty.
Maybe I am missing something.
They are not standard parts you can find everywhere.
They are as unique as the cabinet parts etc.
Dillen:They are as unique as the cabinet parts etc.
Hi Martin,
The unique feature of this Beomaster 1600 is definitely working against it. If I understand correctly, the BM 1600 was made only in 1980, which makes it a very rare beast indeed.
When anything is this scarce re-manufacturing costs are prohibitively expensive and therefore not attempted.
Not giving up yet, need some measurements like in the pic plus belt wide
I just love your determination, which is totally commendable!
I can get you those measurements but to start here is a "before" photo that really shows the belts.
Holy Moly Martin is right as always, special, special, will need total length, number of teeth, the before mentioned and pics of belt
Holy Moly nothing, this thing is a mess.
I didn't know to count the teeth, but the length is 42.5cm, width 3cm. The wheel diameter is 3.5cm and the wheel width is 28mm.
Soren, I doubt the teeth count is important as they don't mesh with anything, the belt just rotates a shaft, which engages clutches when the corresponding button is depressed.
Ya know Soren, we belong to an amazing group.... I reached out to everyone I could (Martin, Frede, Benny, B&O Toronto, John, Rudy, and YOU)..... and everyone got back to me. All with the same negative answer, but everyone responded.
THANK YOU GUYS for the information and help!
I have no idea if this company does small orders but they specialize in belts. There are other belt companies out there as well. Sometimes manufacturing companies will send you a free sample. It might be worth talking to someone there. I had to make inquiries like that to finally find a company that could build me my custom Beogram 4000 replacement transformer.
Regards,John
Need a pic of the belt, tooth side, are the wheels/shafts toothed ?, and measurements as in the drawing posted before
Søren Mexico: Need a pic of the belt, tooth side, are the wheels/shafts toothed ?, and measurements as in the drawing posted before
Tooth side? Soren the photo I sent (above) IS the tooth side. The back side is smooth as are the wheels. The teeth are for grip for our fingers, not to move the wheel/shaft.
Can you at least post the belt thickness, measure with a vernier
The inside of the band is smooth, often found treated with a resin (harpiks in danish) to give it friction against the wheels.The band is more plastic than rubber.Early production individuals had belts that broke very fast, later they were made better.
Please understand that I realize you are trying to help me and it is indeed the LEAST I can do to try to provide the information you require.
I wasn't sure what a Vernier was, so I googled it. Oddly enough before googling Vernier I had already got out my trusty Vigor Germany millimeter gage and the thickness is very close to1.5mm (or exactly 1/16 inch) with the teeth. The thickness without the teeth is impossible for me to measure with this mm gage.
I hope this is of help.
Dillen:The inside of the band is smooth
No surprise, Martin is correct on both points, the back is smooth and indeed the material is far more plastic then rubber.
This is a PIB, found 25 mm wide caterpillar Neopren belt but 5 mm thick, the widest one 2 mm thick I found was 13 mm wide.
Giving up even if I dont like that
I recently bought a 1600 and a 1700, both were to far gone to repair, all the clutches were totally worn.
What i do have are 3 resonantly good belts and a belt which is nearly broken, but maybe it is possible to glue it.
If you're interested let me know.
Marc
Hi Marc,
That is really something I would like to keep in mind.
I have the two Beomaster 1600's, the first is pretty bad in so many ways, BUT all the clutches are good and function. The amp is in need of a total rebuild and the cosmetics are not nice enough to warrant the cost of shipping & repair. Still, at the same time, too nice to toss.
The second Beomaster 1600 is a disappointment. The seller was quite convincing that the amp was in decent shape, "tested and working." Unfortunately with the broken cap I found that could not possibly have been true. I purchased this 1600 because I was assured that it had good sound from both channels..... but it is just one.
The seller also stated that the belts needed repair. I assumed that he meant the two control and tuner belts, but that was not the case, as they are fine. The seller meant the clutch pulleys were broken, which they weren't, just miss-adjusted.
I purchased replacement belts from Martin PRIOR to agreeing to purchase this 1600 and they look amazing, almost NOS. But that doesn't solve my amp problem. As such I am sending the 1600 out for repair and will swap the OK belts for Martin's when I get it back. I am also NOT shipping the glass panel out of fear of it being broken in transit.
Once I have the OK belts changed that frees up a set for my original 1600. So then what do I do?
This is what I haven't decided. I could sell the first 1600 As-Is but I don't know if I really want to do that. But if I do decide to have it repaired all things considered, a few spares would be a very good idea.
Is this something you need answered right away, or can it wait a bit until I know what I am dealing with?
Thanks.
Indecision is not something that usually applies often to me, but I need to know where I am going with my 1600 pair before I commit to anything tangible.
However IF you have a flawless glass panel for the 1600, that I would like to discuss. My first 1600 glass is good and the latest one is very good, but neither are flawless, as both have scratches.
I'd probably feel more comfortable waiting to see if my 1600 can be repaired economically, but a perfect glass..... well where am I likely to find that if I wait?
Just asking.
Hi Jeff,
I'm sorry,the glass panel i have does have some scratches too, but it is possible to polish glass and remove scratches, i think a car glass firm can help you with that, else search the interwebs.
What i could do is sent you the complete front, with the belts and you can decide then what to do whit it, at least you'll have a spare to try and polish the glass or test other procedures you may have in mind.
If you need more parts, let me know, its gathering dust here!
Jeff,
I have 2 complete amps which i could recap and test, if you're interested, let me know.
You know, timing is everything and this timing is distinctly off. If I don't respond quickly I will have ignored a helpful offer. However, to accept help, I need to know what I "need" first. Make sense? Did you have a price in mind for the "parts?"
It was in intention to sell my first 1600 as it is not really worthy of restoration, however after reading that you have two 1600 with bad clutches, that insight changed my mind as both of these 1600's have good clutches, and I will keep the first for spares.
This newest 1600 is cosmetically very good and has the right channel working well along with the FM section. This 1600 (I believe) is well worth restoring but you never know what surprises await the shop estimate.
So what do you think we should do?
P.S. Have a very Happy New Year!
talking about timing, i somehow have to get this site to give me a call of there is a reply to my postings!
Both the units i have are dismantled, a heap of parts and lying around.
i found out that sending parts halfway the globe is very expensive, so, although i would not ask much for the parts, sending them to you would still make it very expensive.
For that, i'm at a lost, hope to hear from you.
They won't give you a call when someone (like me) has responded to a posting, BUT if you click (check) the little box in the lower left hand corner, they will send you an email notification.
I will have an answer as to how repairable my 1600 is in about 10 days, then I'd be in a better position to say what I want and/or don't want.
Marc, if you think shipping parts is expensive (it is) try sending an entire Beomaster. Yikes. I have two coming from Texas (PLEASE GOD!) without tracking or insurance due to the high costs.
If you want to ask me again in a few weeks I should have an answer for you.
You might also find that Martin Olsen is interested in the parts, although I can not speak for him.
Best wishes to you too!
If you need parts just ask, no problems, i subscribed to this forum to (try to) help and get some help, so no worries!
About checking a box.... can't find it?
just the "post" and refresh page...?
When you go to reply you will notice a box below with "Check Box to Email replies to this post."
Below that is the POST box.
I just checked mine so that I will know if you respond.
AHA, found it!
i have to select "reply" NOT Quick reply!
Hey Marc,
All learning is good.Now you can stay informed.
My BM 1600 and BM 1000 are in customs headed for "assessment" and repair, if possible. (It will be) I was pleasantly surprised that 4-day shipping with tracking was $45 each. My BL 5000 BM 5000 which are heading this way cost well over twice that with no time-frame delivery and no tracking.
By the end of next week I will know what parts I will need.