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If they make a subwoofer seat lonely housewives would probably be very interested in them!
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BeoLab 18's. Beolab 3's. A8. A9. A2. H7.
Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:If they make a subwoofer seat lonely housewives would probably be very interested in them! -- BeoLab 18's. Beolab 3's. A8. A9. A2. H7.
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
I really like the BS Shape, the idea to have speakers that do not look like speakers and the wall-of-sound-singer-in-the-middle technology.
I do have a couple of remarks / questions:
I can see the colors working for interiors shown in the pictures and I can see that styling gets applauded in Mila, but I sure hope they will also release the usual colors (light green, blue, red, patrol, white to name a few). Anyone know if they will be available form the start?
It would be really great if they could release white ones with "sound transparant paint" so you can have an artist (or creative family member) do some painting.
As I understand the BS Shape does not connect wirelessly to lets say a BS Moment. Correct? How would you connect the Moment; I guess wired?
If you would want to use them as rear surround speakers with a BS V1, I assume this could be done? How would the system change from singer-in-the-middle mode to surround mode?
Does anyone have an idea about the pricing of the additional speakers / amplifiers once you have bought the starter set? And the price of the acoustic panels alone?
Lee mentioned in his review the sound was "brash". If anything this system should have the potential to mitigate that with additional acoustic panels. @Lee did you happen to ask this?
Peter
Millemissen:These (four) paintings were made by my wife - and actually I like them, too. It is much more the question of finding another good place for them i the house.... ....which I will have to work on ;-)))) P.S. When I showed her the BS Shapes she was taken from the idea of being able to co-decide how a soundsystem should look in your own home. However, I said nothing about my wish for replacing her paintings - I guess this will take a bit longer.... ....which is ok, since - in my case - the costs have to be considered too (= starting to save for it). It won't be available untill this fall, anyway! MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Hi seethroughyou,
The BeoSound Shape is not a mono speaker. It is not even a stereo speaker. It is an advanced speaker that distribute the signal in the array of speakers, via a unique patented algorithm. It creates a unique effected (called "band on the wall") that places the vocals in the middle of the speaker and the instruments on the sides. The sound distribution to the speaker changes with your exact shape. The product is dynamically configured to your setup.
Br,
Petros
November35: Is possible to use like REAR speacker in DD setup?For exemple: If I have beovision Tv with integrated center channel and pair of Beolab Sp. and beolab 2 subwoofer can I use like Rear channel?
Is possible to use like REAR speacker in DD setup?For exemple:
If I have beovision Tv with integrated center channel and pair of Beolab Sp. and beolab 2 subwoofer can I use like Rear channel?
The BeoSound Shape has also normal Power Link input, so it can be used in that kind of read channel TV setup.
davidr: After watching those videos, actually what is more intriguing is the "BeoSound core" more than anything. Looks to be a S8 connection hub that can pair with Essence remote, does DLNA and Airplay. Plus has optical out?? and Digital powerlink??
After watching those videos, actually what is more intriguing is the "BeoSound core" more than anything. Looks to be a S8 connection hub that can pair with Essence remote, does DLNA and Airplay. Plus has optical out?? and Digital powerlink??
Yes, it does all these and more. But note, the Digital Powerlink is NOT enabled in the initial release of the product.
AnalogPlanet: I like the concept and can imagine it in my apartment easily. Just wondering why both Deezer and TuneIn are missing from the list of streaming options? Hope they get added by the launch date.
I like the concept and can imagine it in my apartment easily.
Just wondering why both Deezer and TuneIn are missing from the list of streaming options? Hope they get added by the launch date.
Deezer, TuneIn, Spotify Connect are there. As in all other audio products
L1NO: If the Beosound Core would have some kind of remote + volume control it would be a great addition to a Beamer or such with a nice stereo hookup.
If the Beosound Core would have some kind of remote + volume control it would be a great addition to a Beamer or such with a nice stereo hookup.
The BeoSound Core can be controlled from the BeoSound Essence Remote (via BTLE), as the other audio products
Millemissen: If the Core (aka BeoSound Core) is 'just' the source center, it could be utilized in other constallations as well - replacing an Essence or even as the sound system for a set of BL5's (in BEO4 mode) via the SPDIF-out....?
If the Core (aka BeoSound Core) is 'just' the source center, it could be utilized in other constallations as well - replacing an Essence or even as the sound system for a set of BL5's (in BEO4 mode) via the SPDIF-out....?
Correct. A BeoSound Shape setup would have one single BeoSound Core. And that would connect (via optical & USB) to the first amplifier. And then the amplifiers daisy chain with each other, via a new digital technology (RJ45 cabling).
Chris: Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: HATE the price. It's a joke. You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less. A lot of money for a mono speaker system. And the looks have to fit in your house. Not a very new idea, already some brands tried this configuration for a cooking plate.
Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: HATE the price. It's a joke. You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
HATE the price. It's a joke. You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
A lot of money for a mono speaker system. And the looks have to fit in your house.
Not a very new idea, already some brands tried this configuration for a cooking plate.
"Not a very new idea" you say... No - the Bees have been using it for millions of years, if you are talking about the shape (not the Shape)...
But it IS a new idea, using it the way B&O does here. And I don't think the Bees will sue them...
I had a chance to listen to the system here in Milan yesterday. Contrary to the review, I was impressed with the bass capabilities of the system (you could really feel the bass drum in a classical piece) and had to ask if there was a subwoofer hidden around somewhere (there wasn't). The sound didn't seem "mono" to me at all – listening to a London Grammar song, the singer seemed to hover somewhere in the centre of the wall whereas the band were supporting her more from the sides. It wasn't stereo in a traditional sense (there are algorithms at work that upmix the signal to however many speaker tiles there are) – the "no sweet spot" effect very much applied: the sound didn't change as I moved around the room and side to side, with different elements of the music still appearing in the same places on the wall. This was a system with 12 speaker tiles.
I think BeoSound Shape will have a bright future ahead of it.
— Tuomas | Bang & Olufsen | Bang & Olufsen Create
Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: Millemissen: Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less. How can you know - did you already listen to it? And if yes, in which configuration? MM Based on everyones hands on with it so far. The base model has no punch and little base to it. Sure you can DOUBLE the configuration but at that point you can also get 2-3 A9's and the A9's will still sound better.
Millemissen: Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less. How can you know - did you already listen to it? And if yes, in which configuration? MM
Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
How can you know - did you already listen to it?
And if yes, in which configuration?
MM
Based on everyones hands on with it so far. The base model has no punch and little base to it. Sure you can DOUBLE the configuration but at that point you can also get 2-3 A9's and the A9's will still sound better.
I find these money-for-money comparisons kinda useless. You can also get 4 of these for the price of one A9 and it will pack way more punch but who gives a heck. The A9 isn't a direct alternative to Shape so why bother pointing out watt-for-watt or money-for-money differences.
tph:I had a chance to listen to the system here in Milan yesterday. Contrary to the review, I was impressed with the bass capabilities of the system (you could really feel the bass drum in a classical piece) and had to ask if there was a subwoofer hidden around somewhere (there wasn't). The sound didn't seem "mono" to me at all – listening to a London Grammar song, the singer seemed to hover somewhere in the centre of the wall whereas the band were supporting her more from the sides. It wasn't stereo in a traditional sense (there are algorithms at work that upmix the signal to however many speaker tiles there are) – the "no sweet spot" effect very much applied: the sound didn't change as I moved around the room and side to side, with different elements of the music still appearing in the same places on the wall. This was a system with 12 speaker tiles. I think BeoSound Shape will have a bright future ahead of it. -- Tuomas // BeoPlay H3, Beolit 12
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
KMA:@tph: Great to hear about your experience of the Shape, thanks for sharing!
+1
We need more of those first hand experiences!
According to what Marie Kristine told (in one of the videos) it will be in 'some of our stores' in June - the rest will have to wait untill August.
So we will have to be patient, if we want to judge by ourselves.
I am positive - why should B&O make something that sounds bad :-)
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Hiort: tph: I had a chance to listen to the system here in Milan yesterday. Contrary to the review, I was impressed with the bass capabilities of the system (you could really feel the bass drum in a classical piece) and had to ask if there was a subwoofer hidden around somewhere (there wasn't). The sound didn't seem "mono" to me at all – listening to a London Grammar song, the singer seemed to hover somewhere in the centre of the wall whereas the band were supporting her more from the sides. It wasn't stereo in a traditional sense (there are algorithms at work that upmix the signal to however many speaker tiles there are) – the "no sweet spot" effect very much applied: the sound didn't change as I moved around the room and side to side, with different elements of the music still appearing in the same places on the wall. This was a system with 12 speaker tiles. I think BeoSound Shape will have a bright future ahead of it. -- Tuomas // BeoPlay H3, Beolit 12 Thanks for sharing! Wonder what that setup would cost 12 speakers, 3 amps, one core...
tph: I had a chance to listen to the system here in Milan yesterday. Contrary to the review, I was impressed with the bass capabilities of the system (you could really feel the bass drum in a classical piece) and had to ask if there was a subwoofer hidden around somewhere (there wasn't). The sound didn't seem "mono" to me at all – listening to a London Grammar song, the singer seemed to hover somewhere in the centre of the wall whereas the band were supporting her more from the sides. It wasn't stereo in a traditional sense (there are algorithms at work that upmix the signal to however many speaker tiles there are) – the "no sweet spot" effect very much applied: the sound didn't change as I moved around the room and side to side, with different elements of the music still appearing in the same places on the wall. This was a system with 12 speaker tiles. I think BeoSound Shape will have a bright future ahead of it. -- Tuomas // BeoPlay H3, Beolit 12
-- Tuomas // BeoPlay H3, Beolit 12
Thanks for sharing!
Wonder what that setup would cost
12 speakers, 3 amps, one core...
Hiort: Wonder what that setup would cost 12 speakers, 3 amps, one core...
I suppose - 3 x 4000 € depending on how many damping tiles etc included minus the 2 Cores not needed.
Without any comparing - that is roundabout equivalent to what people have to pay for a set of the BL20 plus an Essence, if I am not mistaken.
tph: I had a chance to listen to the system here in Milan yesterday. Contrary to the review, I was impressed with the bass capabilities of the system (you could really feel the bass drum in a classical piece) and had to ask if there was a subwoofer hidden around somewhere (there wasn't). The sound didn't seem "mono" to me at all – listening to a London Grammar song, the singer seemed to hover somewhere in the centre of the wall whereas the band were supporting her more from the sides. It wasn't stereo in a traditional sense (there are algorithms at work that upmix the signal to however many speaker tiles there are) – the "no sweet spot" effect very much applied: the sound didn't change as I moved around the room and side to side, with different elements of the music still appearing in the same places on the wall. This was a system with 12 speaker tiles. I think BeoSound Shape will have a bright future ahead of it.
I would assume it to be based upon Mid/Side encoding - a 2 channel signal can be represented by either Left+right channels or mid+side channels. The mid channel could be sent to all central speakers and the side channel to either side. Its probably more sophisticated than that but have a similar foundation.
Ban boring signatures!
Hereford: Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: Millemissen: Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less. How can you know - did you already listen to it? And if yes, in which configuration? MM Based on everyones hands on with it so far. The base model has no punch and little base to it. Sure you can DOUBLE the configuration but at that point you can also get 2-3 A9's and the A9's will still sound better. I find these money-for-money comparisons kinda useless. You can also get 4 of these for the price of one A9 and it will pack way more punch but who gives a heck. The A9 isn't a direct alternative to Shape so why bother pointing out watt-for-watt or money-for-money differences.
You're not comparing apples to apples there. Those beasts you show are not from B&O nor is it a simple speaker you can hang on the wall like the A9. I wasn't talking about power ratio's either more base response. The A9 has way more room in the cabinet to pack a punch than the Shape does.
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Present: BL90, Core, BL6000, CD7000, Beogram 7000, Essence Remote.
Past: BL1, BL2, BL8000, BS9000, BL5, BC2, BS5, BV5, BV4-50, Beosystem 3, BL3, DVD1, Beoremote 4, Moment.
seethroughyou:This is isn't just a mono system!
Hereford:I find these money-for-money comparisons kinda useless. You can also get 4 of these for the price of one A9 and it will pack way more punch but who gives a heck. The A9 isn't a direct alternative to Shape so why bother pointing out watt-for-watt or money-for-money differences.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Unfortunately you can't bank positive comments!
lonfred:Does anyone know if it will be possible to use the Beosound cores digital output to connect Beolab speakers with digital connection like Beolab 20, Beolab 5 etc?
Actually I asked that question in one of my previous posts.
petrosbeli (from B&O) - see above - however, did not give a direct answer to this.
The problem is, that we don't know how the volume is controlled, when the digital-out of the BS Core is used for the connection.
I guess we will have to wait for more information on this, before drawing any conclusions.
Millemissen: lonfred:Does anyone know if it will be possible to use the Beosound cores digital output to connect Beolab speakers with digital connection like Beolab 20, Beolab 5 etc? Actually I asked that question in one of my previous posts. petrosbeli (from B&O) - see above - however, did not give a direct answer to this. The problem is, that we don't know how the volume is controlled, when the digital-out of the BS Core is used for the connection. I guess we will have to wait for more information on this, before drawing any conclusions. MM
The optical-out on the BeoSound Core will be volume regulated. Which means you can use it with all the newer range of the BeoLab speakers, to feed them end-to-end digital sound.
petrosbeli: The optical-out on the BeoSound Core will be volume regulated. Which means you can use it with all the newer range of the BeoLab speakers, to feed them end-to-end digital sound.
Thanks, Petros - so now we know
@lonfred
According to what petrosbeli wrote, you just plug it in (using of course an optical to coax converter) -
just like you would do with any other source with a volume controlled SPDIF-out.
The volume control is done within the app - no need for an additional PL connection there.
The PL is for when you want to hook it up to any other BL with PL-in.
Still a bit early for these thoughts - I guess we will know more, when the product is there.
( Where the fun starts is, when they release the DPL connection :-) )
BeoSound Core = BeoSound Essence mk3 = BeoSound Essence mk2 + digital out
lonfred:@millemissen ....That is really good news.
....That is really good news.
I'd prefer to wait for an official confirmation - or at least for a user test, when the Core is out.
Thanks Petros!
One more question: I anticipate 16-module Shape would be appropriate for my wall.
Would it be possible to start with 8: 4 speakers + amplifier + Core + 2 "blanks" and install additional 8 blanks already at the beginning? Then add extra 4 speakers at the later stage.
Also, when adding (potentially) speakers to existing Shape - would they need to be added in blocks of four or also one by one?
Regards, Roman
Can any one tell me price for ?
AnalogPlanet: Thanks Petros! One more question: I anticipate 16-module Shape would be appropriate for my wall. Would it be possible to start with 8: 4 speakers + amplifier + Core + 2 "blanks" and install additional 8 blanks already at the beginning? Then add extra 4 speakers at the later stage. Also, when adding (potentially) speakers to existing Shape - would they need to be added in blocks of four or also one by one? Regards, Roman
Petros can confirm, but I assume you can.
But in your scenario, you need to add one more amp when you add 4 more speakers. So will have 5 blanks left when you are done.
Millemissen:Thanks, Petros - so now we know MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.