ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
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"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
Even though I actually am streaming more and more, I have to ask what’s wrong with doing both?
Just for the record, I grew up before the age of CD!
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
leosgonewild: And it also gives a feeling of ownership.
And it also gives a feeling of ownership.
I am for streaming!
Actually it is a relief not to own physical media or at least to own less.
My heirs will have less to clean up and have to get rid of, when I am gone.
You have to better define the word streaming to get an accurate answer.
I am considering everything compressed, altered, not entirely under you control and delivered with a string or cost attached,- streaming.
But if the original content is preserved i dont really consider it streaming if its simply distributing it over you own network, the bits are exactly the same and I control and own every single one of them!
My CD collection will remain as is, to feed the active BS9000, BG5500, BG4500, Beocenters and Beovisons but the number of new additions is declining. The NAS is loaded though and could properly play for the rest of my life without starting from scratch
But I will never give up on watching the 9000 operate.
Same with the Video sources apart from OTA, only unaltered, original source material for movies! And should I break the occasional arbitrary rules on what I can rip, it would be considered an honor!
I will never succumb to the ecosystems built around convenience, complacency and ignorance.
There is one exception though,- YouTube! Simply because it has content not found elsewhere anymore. And its only there because the uploaders didn't stream!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyenR9L_CYQ
Stream on
Me and my wife are really enjoying LP & CD.Streaming is convenient for parties with friends
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Millemissen:My heirs will have less to clean up and have to get rid of, when I am gone.
Judging from the pictures you have posted, you might be forgetting the actual value of your collection.
It could make the cleanup process quite rewarding
Vinyl for me where possible, but a bit of streaming too.
I will always buy the vinyl release of anything new I like if it's made available.
BEOVOX141: Millemissen:My heirs will have less to clean up and have to get rid of, when I am gone. Judging from the pictures you have posted, you might be forgetting the actual value of your collection. It could make the cleanup process quite rewarding
Value.....in a way you are right.
However, buying is one thing and selling another - especially if you (read: those who have to ‘clean up’) are in a hurry and have no clue which item could be worth something.
So, no you can’t convince me!
And....a 320 kbps ogg file sounds pretty well to me - I am not in the boat with those who claim to have (golden) ears that can pass an A/B test.
Besides, since I took to streaming (read: from a music provider), I have had access to a whole lot of music, that I would have had to spend a fortune on, if I’d have to buy it and store it in the cupboard at home along with the rest.
This said - I buy things as a regular cd, that I can’t find as a stream.
No religion here - I am for both ways of ‘comsuming’ music.
BEOVOX141: I will never succumb to the ecosystems built around convenience, complacency and ignorance.
Convenience yes, obviously - but how did we come to such strong emotions and statements as complacency (ok?) and ignorance (huh?). Is Deezer, for example, in your view, a place for ignorants (I mean, subscribers)?
AnalogPlanet:Convenience yes, obviously - but how did we come to such strong emotions and statements as complacency (ok?) and ignorance (huh?). Is Deezer, for example, in your view, a place for ignorants (I mean, subscribers)?
Unfortunately I dont think this is the right place to initiate a discussion like this, people would get offended, and things would spiral out of control.
I will say this though. In a few days it will be exactly 50 years since the first man walked on the moon. I am old enough to vividly remember the grainy B/W TV pictures, and as a grew older I came to realize that the actual step wasn't the real achievement. It was the fact they did it with very limited technology. 50 year later we have unlimited access to technology, and we seem to be achieving nothing! Some questions asked right here on this forum is testament to this and those questions are increasing in frequency, and the answers are blowing in the wind.
This is not about a specific Deezer subscriber, but rather the dependencies and meddling we seem to accept without further hesitation or consideration.
I deliberately keep this unspecific, reflect for a while perhaps?
BEOVOX141: but rather the dependencies and meddling we seem to accept without further hesitation or consideration.
Don’t do that we-thing - speak for yourself!
I certainly did some consideration.....and came to a/my conclusion.
If you are happy with (ripped) CD’s, do (ripped) CD’s - if you are happy with a music from a streaming service, do that - if you are fine with both, do both.
BEOVOX141: 50 year later we have unlimited access to technology, and we seem to be achieving nothing!
50 year later we have unlimited access to technology, and we seem to be achieving nothing!
Well, I believe it is very interesting discussion - and it makes me think a bit... ...or as you said: self-reflect. Two things that come to mind, where we have been achieveing significant progress is unlimited music available on-the-go through combo of a smartphone and streaming service, and another (that I personally enjoy very much) is discovering new music similar to what I like through the Mood Wheel on my Moment.
That is, for example, something I never could have done in my LP times. But did you mean perhaps that exactly that unlimited music offered at all times makes it less precious and cherished, compared for one LP you had to save for and then listen thouroughly because new one you could only afford to buy next month (my case)?
Hi,
i use sometimes streaming via airplay from iphone to playmaker (only songs i have bought or apple losless) and then to the beosound 9000 aux
sometimes i use the beosound 9000 with cds
sometimes i use my rega record player -> to playmaker -> beosound 9000 aux
sometimes i use streaming via airplay to apple tv -> playmaker -> beosound 9000
i love all different types. streaming, if i want quick to hear music. cd also, record player if a i have time (weekend etc.)
i never use bluetooth, because of the bad sound quality
I play music from my iPhone in the car and as background music or when with friends, but now I almost exclusively play Vinyl or Internet Radio. I didnt really get into Cassettes or CDs. Interestingly being able to store music for background or car playing on a USB stick I have found really convenient despite the MP3 quality.
For video though, more or less exclusively stream YouTube, Netflix etc - no live TV and DVDs only for really old classic TV series that you cant buy in iTunes.
So I guess there is a place for both.
Not streaming as yet.
Why?
I got Beosystem 6000 complete in white with Beogram 6006 and Beocord 6000 + Beomaster 6000. Dillen serviced it back in 2007/8 from doa and it still works great.
Then I also have the complete Beosystem 6500 in white serviced by Dillen after its first owner.
I grew up with cassette and vinyl then DAT and MD on the side sort of. As long it works and I can keep it that way I see no reason for change besides the pop music of today is as boring as ever.
Maybe a decade or 3 later it will eventually make sense enough but the streaming technology will be so out that it will be found in thrift stores like older B&O sometimes do here in Denmark.
For "real" music listening I still use CD's for 2 reasons:
- I think I really hear a difference and get the best sound performance from my BS9000 digital out to the BL5's. If there would be an easy way to use the BL5 digital in from other sources I would love to try that.
- The BS9000 experience; I believe one of the best B&O products ever made
For casual/background music I stream (or use good old analog radio).
If I get really sentimental I play a vinyl record.....
I used to own around 1,000 CDs and over 400 Blu Ray videos. Gradually since 2014 or so have been switching to streaming. Now my entire music collection is on iTunes, all movies are streamed. I think the aesthetics of Bang and Olufsen works well with the minimalism of streaming. I have never owned any equipment where I could hear the difference between CD and high end streaming services. I now make sure all my AV systems are wired for streaming - even my older BeoLab 8000s.
B&O in my life 😊:
Bieele: - I think I really hear a difference and get the best sound performance from my BS9000 digital out to the BL5's. If there would be an easy way to use the BL5 digital in from other sources I would love to try that.
There is!
You could even connect the digital output of your BS9000 to the digital input of the Core (a converter like the one needed for the Core -> BL5 is also required there).
As a professional musician I had a large collection of over 5000 LPs. With the advent of CDs I elected to replace most of them with the CD version when it became available..I now have 3500 CDs. I kept 100 or so LPs that I doubted would ever make it to CD & have been surprised that about 50 of them lately been transferred. I have managed to transfer a few CD playlists to SD cards for use in the car when quality hasn’t really been important but I always hanker after the physicality of playing CD &LP. Thankfully my car has a CD player too. Streaming isn’t for me...I’m too old school!
Millemissen:There is!
Interesting!
But highly ironic. This first attempt (still not quite there) at a solution to a persistent problem is presented only after EOL of the 5!
Correct me if it has been done before!
LPs, CDs and even a few cassettes in our house. Spotify gets used for checking out new music and party playlists but the whole digital downloads or even burning CDs to had disc thing? Not a chance. Can’t be bothered!
Like many, I enjoy a mix of physical media and streaming. I listen mostly to iTunes and stream from Apple Music or Spotify. For serious listening I go to my Beograms. I often pick up used CDs at the local flea market for $1 each to add music to my iTunes playlist. I have a dedicated storage closet for my CD, DVD, and BluRay discs, so that's not a problem for me either.
Dom
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Mostly I stream, either from Spotify Premium or from my ripped CDs that used to be on iTunes but now reside on a SSD inside my Auralic Aries Mini, a wonderful product. I still have LPs and CDs but seldom spin a CD or LP, especially since all the CDs I own are on the Auralic. I do find I enjoy watching my BS9000 play a CD. A dear friend of mine sent me a couple of mix CDs of things he found interesting, and I find listening to them on the BS9000 enjoyable (I haven't ripped them to the Auralic yet). It's still a wonderful piece of art, the illuminated puck holding the spinning CD is a wonderful visual treat.
My big issue with physical media is the storage space required and the difficulty of finding anything. I'm not OCD enough to keep them organized like a library would, so I wound up spending more time searching for music than playing it.
Occasionally, a couple of times a year it seems, I'll dig out a bunch of LPs and take a day just listening to vinyl, but it's rare. Once I rip the albums to digital I probably will never play them again.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff:Mostly I stream, either from Spotify Premium or from my ripped CDs that used to be on iTunes but now reside on a SSD inside my Auralic Aries Mini, a wonderful product. I still have LPs and CDs but seldom spin a CD or LP, especially since all the CDs I own are on the Auralic. I do find I enjoy watching my BS9000 play a CD. A dear friend of mine sent me a couple of mix CDs of things he found interesting, and I find listening to them on the BS9000 enjoyable (I haven't ripped them to the Auralic yet). It's still a wonderful piece of art, the illuminated puck holding the spinning CD is a wonderful visual treat. My big issue with physical media is the storage space required and the difficulty of finding anything. I'm not OCD enough to keep them organized like a library would, so I wound up spending more time searching for music than playing it. Occasionally, a couple of times a year it seems, I'll dig out a bunch of LPs and take a day just listening to vinyl, but it's rare. Once I rip the albums to digital I probably will never play them again. Jeff I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
seethroughyou: I can buy the exact same download for £1-2
Nope, most downloads are uniquely watermarked, allowing for a call home functionality!
Did you expect anything else?
seethroughyou:The download isn’t made of evil plastic that is choking our planet. The download doesn’t demand fossil fuels to be transported from studio to my home
Not true, the expanding data centers serving streaming and downloads are turning into a major headache due to the massive power consumption. Part of the new centers in Denmark will inevitably, at least partially run on power generated from fossil fuel,- lignite and natural gas!
Besides the day your music service disappears, the apps no longer work or the hard drive crashes,- then you will really appreciate not having gone completely "virtual".
You can always buy CDs second hand - we have a charity vinyl/cd shop near us and when you can buy a CD for a pound or two and rip it into iTunes you get the thrill of looking through and searching the CDs for something you want, save a load of money and then give it back to the charity shop so that someone else can benefit - now that's green - not sure about copyright though but what do you do with a CD when you have no CD player.