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Greetings to everyone!
I recently purchased mmc 20 CL over the Internet for $200.Cartridge turned out to be in excellent condition, I looked at itin microscope: everything geometrically correct and even, no tracewear.
But I was disappointed when I realized it was restored, not the original! I always ask the sellers this question, but this time I don 't know what happened,but I didn 't specify this point!
When I started listening to him, he had a very strange sound:It is very clean and flat, but very similar to the sound of a CD.There 's no live sound in it!I 've never had this model, I don 't know what it really should sound like,but there are 100% original 20EN and 20S. Yes, this new purchase sounds cleaner, but it 's Is inferior to 20EN in sound honesty.
I have questions:
1. How different do recovered CL 's sound from the original CL?2. Will not ruin such a restored needle my vinyl?3. How different the real CL needle is in sound fromthe real EN? What is the feeling of difference?
Making this purchase was a very big mistake on my part,and I hope for your answers. Thanks!
Maybe I have the original?
Help me figure it out.
The stylus and cantilever look original. As for your evaluation of the sound I can't answer that. Like speakers everyone has different tastes. Personally I love the sound of the MMC-20CL but other people may not. Another consideration is the cartridge is at least thirty years old by now and wear may be a factor in the sound it produces. You can probably send it to one of the qualified B&O restoration shops and have them evaluate it. They should have equipment to test it.-sonavor
Sonavor, oh, I appreciate your answer! I still hope... And I 'm pretty sure it 's original after all.It has a very clean and even sound with all frequencies.But it 's very unusual, it looks like a dead sound from a CD.I didn 't like him at all on retro music from the 30, but it plays pop music well from 80-90 I heard a lot about this stylus and apparently expected huge difference from 20 EN.But as I understood: not worse or better, and each for its own style of music.
Am I the only one to draw such conclusions about the line of mmc 20 styles?
PS: For example, budget (declared as) 20S is the only one of three of my cartridges
were excellent played by Slayer and generally any heavy music. And in my opinionwith the help of 20S, except heavy music nothing can be heard normally.
If, for example, put Jazz - is a horror, such a sound, just a nightmare.
The more I listen to music with this 20 CL cartridge,i wonder,how specific his sound is. He has absolutely no problemswith quality, no at all! Perhaps you need to get patient, and evaluate it much later. I 've never heard such a special sound from vinyl.After a very long time, I will try to write my final verdict here. When I listen to a hundred records or two hundred with it.
The CL is very temperature sensitive - it needs to be at at least 20 degrees - in the old days, some used a light bulb close to the pick up to keep it warm - you really can hear the difference!
Peter
Peter: The CL is very temperature sensitive - it needs to be at at least 20 degrees - in the old days, some used a light bulb close to the pick up to keep it warm - you really can hear the difference!
That brings back memories. When I worked in a shop in the late 70s we had this Wynn (or Winn, can't remember) Labs strain gauge cartridge that only sounded really superior if you kept it in the refrigerator until right before you played it.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
I used the site search, and it gives hundreds of topics.
But I want a topic where this cartridge of MMC 20 CL was discussed in great detail.
I would appreciate a link to such a discussion!
I would be interested in hearing more - as I think I have a NOS MMC 20-CL-B (what does the B mean?)
nice red case, tools, mounting bracket, hardware, calibration test results, something that looks like a frequency response curve test.....
appears to be new, but the needle is so small, hard to tell
will with work with a Beogram 8002?
... any value in selling it?
-m
The MMC-20CL was a very successful B&O cartridge and received a lot of good audio reviews. Obviously it was designed to integrate perfectly with the B&O Beogram turntables at the time but it was sold with cartridge mounting hardware for other, none B&O tonearms. The "-B" and "-C" suffix on the packaging indicates this. "-B" included an adapter for a 1/2 inch phono cartridge shell. "-C" included an adapter for universal tonearms. All of the MMC-20CL identified cartridges are the same.For reviews of the MMC-20CL other than B&O brochures you will find reviews in these audio magazines (in the USA). I'm sure there were reviews in audio magazines of other countries.
High-Fidelity Magazine - April 1979, Page 32
Audio Magazine - March 1980, Page 78.
Stereo Review Magazine - June 1979, Page 44 (MMC-20CL)Stereo Review Magazine - June 1981, Page 38 (MMC-20CL along with the Beogram 8000) The Stereo Review and High Fidelity magazine articles from 1979 are the best.
-sonavor
mfirst: will with work with a Beogram 8002? ... any value in selling it? -m
It will not work with a Beogram 8002. It will work with a Beogram 8000 though.
Jeff: Peter:The CL is very temperature sensitive - it needs to be at at least 20 degrees - in the old days, some used a light bulb close to the pick up to keep it warm - you really can hear the difference! That brings back memories. When I worked in a shop in the late 70s we had this Wynn (or Winn, can't remember) Labs strain gauge cartridge that only sounded really superior if you kept it in the refrigerator until right before you played it.
Peter:The CL is very temperature sensitive - it needs to be at at least 20 degrees - in the old days, some used a light bulb close to the pick up to keep it warm - you really can hear the difference!
thank you - that is unfortunate...... can you elaborate as to why?
how hard is it to get the 8002 up and running with a new needle - just plug and play?
again, thank you
-michael
Beogram 8000 and 8002 use completely different pickup cartridge systems.
The pickup cartridge is basically plug and play. Only thing is the tracking force setting should eventually be adjusted if a cartridge with a different type of stylus is used.It's all in the user manual.
Martin
might be worth trying to get up and running then - maybe I can find someone who is willing to "trade" the MMC-20 for one that will work with the 8002?
...MCC-xx???
(been trying to do a little research)