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Dear all,
I did read a lot of comments about the Options but I still have no solution for my specific problem. Some links aren't working anymore so I dare to ask this question:
I use: BS4, BV8-40+Apple TV4 and a Passive (1656)
In V opt 1 and A opt1 OR V opt 2 and A opt 2 the BV8 plays the Apple TV sound and the A.mem sound and here is the strange part the Passive plays A.mem audio but no DVD audio (BV8 is in DVD connected with Apple TV) Passive is set in L-opt 6
What am I missing? Or how stupid am I that this simple setup isn't working the way I want it?
Kind regards, Sibrand.
Are the BS4 and the BV8 in the same room?
Do you have speakers connected to the BS4?
In anticipation of answers Yes and No (respectively) to my questions above, I thought I'd go further with my response:
You should put the TV in V.OPT 2 (so it responds to both audio and video commands)
The BS4 should be in A.OPT 0 (so it does not respond to any IR commands - it should default to this setting if no speakers are connected, and receive all IR commands over ML via the TV)
And finally, if the TV is receiving ATV through hdmi only, then this digital source will not be distributed over masterlink. You may wish to look for an hdmi audio extractor to enable an analogue audio input from the ATV that can be distributed.
I hope this helps - welcome to Beoworld!
Thanks for your reply. They are in the same room.
Do you mean by speakers, something connected with PL or something like Beolab2000?
My set up for the audio is with Beolab2000's and the Passive through ML.
The BV worked with the previous owner with a Beosound 2500 and a converter (I think a 1611 or a 1615(Mk2)) is that what you mean by the audioextractor?
The setup I tried to make is to get audio from the BV8 and the Passive (as some sort of surround idea).
I realise it must be frustrating for the real Bang and Olufsen adepts to see me struggle with the terminology. So I am sorry in advance.
2 years ago I bought this house and the previous owner left the Beosound5 and Beomaster, the Beolab's 3500 and several feet of ML cable. In my enthousiasme I thought to connect a few extra components ...
I already found out that I can not connect a Beosound 5 and a Beosound 4 in the same ML string. So I made a second string. The old one is still working, now the second one.
Sibrand: Do you mean by speakers, something connected with PL or something like Beolab2000? My set up for the audio is with Beolab2000's and the Passive through ML.
I meant something connected with PL. Beolab 2000 is a LINK speaker, designed to be used in other rooms (away from the audio/video master). Where do you have it?
Also, where is the passive, and what is connected to it? A sketch of your full system may help!
Sibrand:The BV worked with the previous owner with a Beosound 2500 and a converter (I think a 1611 or a 1615(Mk2)) is that what you mean by the audioextractor?
No. An audio extractor is not B&O-specific. It's simply a small 'in-line' device with hdmi input and output, and an additional output (phono or 3.5mm sockets) that has extracted analogue audio from the digital hdmi signal. You would need something like this if you wanted to send audio from your Apple TV over the ML system.
There's a 52 page document called the Masterlink handbook that is well worth reading if you want to build your own ML system - it would answer all your questions.
If you join as a Silver Member you could download a copy from the site. Otherwise, have a search on google. You are looking for the Masterlink manual from January 2004, not the much larger/newer 'Beolink' one (which may cause confusion as it introduces newer beolink systems).
Hello Guy, again a big thank you, the answers are much appreciated.
I will make a sketch and will try to upload it here in this thread.
For the picture:
BS4, BV-8, 2 BL2000's and the Passive are all in the same room (outside of my house there is a little townhouse). With the options mentioned I can make the noise I want. Only the Apple TV is apparently a dissonant. I found a HDMI to HDMI+audio device.
To make some confusion: Also in the same room is a BL3500 connected to the second ML cable that routes to my house. I put that in L option 0, operation by hand if link audio from the house is required.
I already have the Masterlink Handbook, but it is in Bang and Olufsen English (if one's new in the scene all terminology like Powerlink, Masterlink, Beolink, and so on is like reading hocus-pocus. And because I would like to be able to use the room this week I turned to this forum and it helped me (you helped me).
Thanks again and have a nice evening.
Sketch follows soon.
Sibrand:BS4, BV-8, 2 BL2000's and the Passive are all in the same room
Just a caution: If these are in the same room they are all receiving the same IR signal at the same time, and this may cause a conflict on the ML network. Ideally, in any one room, you only want one receiver (device) for audio IR signals, and one receiver (device) for video IR signals (or just one device receiving both audio and video IR). Hence the requirement to use option settings.
And of course the BL2000s are not designed to be used as speakers in the same room as the source - they are designed for link rooms.
I look forward to seeing a diagram and knowing exactly what you want from the 'townhouse' system!
Sketch in Excel, click to see the whole picture
I have some difficulties uploading a picture. The site is having difficulties with hackers, it says.
An answer to Guy's question:
In the townhouse I would like to hear music, or sound, all around. I am aware that It is not real surround but it gives a feeling being surrounded by sound.
We use the townhouse as mancave, cooking for elderly neighbours, meetings and extra classes to gain advantage at school for yougsters.
And to be honest, if Max Verstappen is racing we cranck up the volume for a "near life" experience.
Thanks for the diagram and explanation - all is much clearer now
Looking at option settings for the 'Home' system first:
Looking at option settings for the 'Townhouse' system:
* However, as previously mentioned the Townhouse BL3500s and Passive, are designed to be used in separate link rooms. Although they may work (switch on, change source and adjust volume), the ML system is not designed to receive the same IR command from a number of sources at once, and this may cause conflicts.
A better solution would be to get rid of the 2 BL2000s in the townhouse, and connect the Passive direct to once of the BV8-40's Powerlink outputs (PL to PL cable required). You could then connect a further Passive and speakers to the BV8-40 for a fuller surround experience.
Furthermore, with the system as it is, how do you know which ML system you are controlling when in the townhouse? Surely when you select a source both the Townhouse and Home systems turn on? Is this not a problem? There is probably a way to solve this latter conflict, but I will wait to hear whether it is indeed a problem. I just re-read one of your earlier posts - you have said that the BL3500 from the main system is in L.OPT 0.
Lastly, I think there may be a way to combine both ML systems (because you can turn OFF the audiomaster function in the BS5) but again I am not sure about this! Have you tried?
Thinking more about the 'Home' system BL3500 that is in the Townhouse, currently in L.OPT 0. You could try setting this in L.OPT 4. Then, in order to control it you would simply press LINK on the Beo4 first. You would have to add LINK to the Beo4's LIST options.
Today I will make the changes in Options as mentioned. Afterwards I will report how I have made progress.
And a picture to picture all this:
The hole in the ceiling is from one of the speakers connected to the hidden Passive.
Update:
There is sound @ Passive only if I first switch to radio and then change to A.Aux. The Beo 4 is not able to switch BS4 into A.Aux mode (A.Aux added in Beo4). Something similar is in the house, if I want to play the Chrome Cast audio I have to switch on the BL3500 in radio and then change at the BM5 to A.Aux.
I think it is something linked to L. Opt 6.
Audio works as I mentioned but there is a delay. The Bv is first and the rest follows at a fraction of a second.
In this configuration it is likely to be possible (with the HMDI matrix) to have all around sound with both BV's switched on and playing f.i. Apple TV or Chrome Cast Video.
I thouhgt the mailman to be delivering at wednesday or at least today but it will be tomorrow. Maybe the HDMI extractor works better then the temporary solution now.
some remarks:
you can not distribute audio from BV8 HDMI sources through ML.
with 2 BL2000, 1 BL3500, 1 BS4 and 2 BV8 you will never get the option settings right. Simply to much devices in one room.
The option, but still with restrictions, I would propose:
BS4 option 1 with ML connected BV8 in option 1, the other in option 4
BL3500 in option 4, the other two in option 0 (if possible; receive no IR commands; but partly manual to be operated)
A,Aux not working as expected is no L.Opt 6 issue.
Carolpa: some remarks: you can not distribute audio from BV8 HDMI sources through ML. with 2 BL2000, 1 BL3500, 1 BS4 and 2 BV8 you will never get the option settings right. Simply to much devices in one room. The option, but still with restrictions, I would propose: BS4 option 1 with ML connected BV8 in option 1, the other in option 4 BL3500 in option 4, the other two in option 0 (if possible; receive no IR commands; but partly manual to be operated) A,Aux not working as expected is no L.Opt 6 issue.
I agree with most of that, and said as much earlier.
Why put the BS4 in A.OPT 1 when it has no speakers connected? Surely it will auto-configure itself to A.OPT 0 anyway - that's what it says in the manual.
Guy:Why put the BS4 in A.OPT 1 when it has no speakers connected?
So BS4 option 0 and ML connected BV8 option 2.
Goodmorning,
Before anything, I would like to make some apologies for my bad use of the English language, I am Dutch! So grammar and build of sentence are probably way off what it should be. So again,
As montioned this puzzle of Options isn't a 1,2,3 solution. That's why I turned to this medium, because of the huge amount of know how. And even then there is more then one opinion about the interpretation of Options. As I read the documents it became more and more spagetti in stead of clear.
With your help i make some progress in understanding the meaning of the Options itself, and maybe in the future I wil find out use of them in several odd situations. And to be honest, the drawings with suggested set-ups aren't helping beacause they don't even come close to my mess.
Status: BS4 in A. Opt 0, connected to ML, connected to HDMI audio extractor (A.Aux) --> works
BV8 with ML, V. Opt 2, connected to ML, connected to 4x2 HDMI matrix and through HDMI audioaxtractor sound via A. Aux (with some delay) Connections set to DVD for ATV-4 -->works
BL2000 1,2, L. Opt 6, connected to ML, operates on commands like RADIO, DVD (ATV-4), Volume and is also manually operated on last soundsource
-->works
Passive with ML is set to L.Opt 6 (L.Opt 4 is to be investigated) --> works
BV8-32 is set to V.Opt 4 and I'm not sure if that is the final solution --> in progress
In the near future I will investigate the possibility to add the home ML string to the townhouse ML string. For now it is a solution that works moderate to good.
The possibility mentioned to connect the Passive with a PL cable is also under investigation. As soon as the man who crimps the connectors to the cables visits my home I will ask him to lend me a Pl cable to try this.
Questions:
For instance, how is the Passive switched on as it is not connected to ML? And in what option do I need to set the Passive?
Good morning - sounds like you are making good progress with the options settings and the system is starting to behave the way you want it!
With reference to the delay in the audio extractor, there will or course be some processing time for the Digital to Analogue conversion, and perhaps you are just a bit unlucky that this does not match the 'video production' processing time for your TV. I use the following audio extractor with my ATV4 and BV6-26 and have not experienced delay:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/aoeyoo%C2%AE-Analog-Converter-Digital-Extractor-White/dp/B00NAJ4UM2/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=SOUTHSKY+HDMI+to+HDMI+%2B+Audio+Converter&qid=1590137704&sr=8-4
I'll be interested to follow your progress when you connect the Home and Townhouse ML - you may find that Option setting is more straightforward once you have managed to sort out a single audiomaster.
Sibrand:how is the Passive switched on as it is not connected to ML? And in what option do I need to set the Passive?
When the Passive is connected straight to your TV with Powerlink it switches on automatically with a signal from one of the extra pins in the Powerlink cable. There is no need to worry about the Option setting, and you must not connect an IR eye in this setup.
The simple Audio extractor is changed (mailman delivered) and, what a coincidence, I used the same as Guy recommends. The audio delay is indeed gone.
I also used synchronise from the Apple TV menu, now it is spot on.
As soon as I can get my hands on a PL cable I will try the suggested connection to the Passive.
Have a nice weekend!
Good news - thanks for the update and I am glad the audio extractor is working well. I have recommended that one several times on this forum - I use them for ATV4 with both my BV6-23 and BV6-26.
Have a good weekend too!