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Costwise.. I wonder how much margine they make on a set of 10.000€. Taking in account the manhours for searching for the units, the design of the cabinet, design of wood for the unit, totally restoring/resolding/marketing/.. I have a slight feeling that they're not going to make much profit even if the sets are 10.000€
Karel.
I have a 4000/4002 in need for some love in my garage. Guess I will have to call them and see, if I can get 1000-2000€ for it :)
No, I really like the idea, that they are creating a "new" turntable. I would love it even more if they did a new and AFFORDABLE turnbtable instead; I think there would be a market for it.
kuyttendaele:Costwise.. I wonder how much margine they make on a set of 10.000€. Taking in account the manhours for searching for the units, the design of the cabinet, design of wood for the unit, totally restoring/resolding/marketing/.. I have a slight feeling that they're not going to make much profit even if the sets are 10.000€
StKong: kuyttendaele: Costwise.. I wonder how much margine they make on a set of 10.000€. Taking in account the manhours for searching for the units, the design of the cabinet, design of wood for the unit, totally restoring/resolding/marketing/.. I have a slight feeling that they're not going to make much profit even if the sets are 10.000€ My thoughts exactly. And that counts for the limited blue colour version of the Beosound 1 as well. The marketing costs alone far outweigh the profits of that one. Not counting all other costs. A larger strategic perspective must be at play here.
kuyttendaele: Costwise.. I wonder how much margine they make on a set of 10.000€. Taking in account the manhours for searching for the units, the design of the cabinet, design of wood for the unit, totally restoring/resolding/marketing/.. I have a slight feeling that they're not going to make much profit even if the sets are 10.000€
My thoughts exactly.
And that counts for the limited blue colour version of the Beosound 1 as well.
The marketing costs alone far outweigh the profits of that one. Not counting all other costs.
A larger strategic perspective must be at play here.
Don't get me wrong. I think it's fantastic that they're doing it. And the set looks extra ordinary! But it's not going to get them out of their not that good financial situation.
It is about branding,
No they will not earn money on the new Beogram 4000C,
But it create awareness and they need it.
If not they are not going to sell headphones and soundbars.
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OlivierC:+1 .... They have gained some R&D experience as “Mr. Tonemeister” was involved in studies about the RIAA amplifiers and other turntable related stuff. Maybe in the future we will see more vinyl related products and/or limited edition/remastered products. Just a personal guess. Olivier
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They have gained some R&D experience as “Mr. Tonemeister” was involved in studies about the RIAA amplifiers and other turntable related stuff.
Maybe in the future we will see more vinyl related products and/or limited edition/remastered products.
Just a personal guess.
Olivier
I doubt that this is the case.
He described how he nerds with RIAA amp and the different RIAA curves used in the past....out of personal interest/for building one for himself.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
It would be interesting to hear what Geoff's input was if he was involved!
Weebyx: matador43: kuyttendaele: Complete restoration of a classing system. No added stuff... No wireless stuff... Jack: Ok, but the tip? John: Same as you, Soundsmith… Actually I heard from reliable sources that the pickup is a top of the line Ortofon pickup, not just a refurbished MMC1. I guess we will see. /Weebyx
matador43: kuyttendaele: Complete restoration of a classing system. No added stuff... No wireless stuff... Jack: Ok, but the tip? John: Same as you, Soundsmith…
kuyttendaele: Complete restoration of a classing system. No added stuff... No wireless stuff...
Complete restoration of a classing system. No added stuff... No wireless stuff...
Jack: Ok, but the tip?
John: Same as you, Soundsmith…
Actually I heard from reliable sources that the pickup is a top of the line Ortofon pickup, not just a refurbished MMC1. I guess we will see.
/Weebyx
Guess my source was not correct, specs on website say SMMC 20CL. I wonder where this source(B&O dealer) got Ortofon pickup from ?
What a "damp quib" after all the hype?
It looks as though it was designed by commitee,d'oh!
They could'nt really improve the aesthetic design of the '4000,and would have been better advised to keep the essential aspects of that,but improve with modern materials,the performance and reliability(imho)
As other's have mentioned,it's principally a marketing exercise,and I imagine that the vast bulk of the produced 95 will end up with Dealers and speculators,and be rarely used and enjoyed.
Counter,you would think to the B&O ethos?
As with the reproduced Jaguar E.Type sports car,which all seem to have dissappeared(into crates to appreciate?)rather then being driven and enjoyed?
Perhaps another member here will stand me corrected and mention that he has just put his £1m Jaguar E.Type through the car wash(argh!)and regularly pops to the shops in it too?
Regards,
Nick
I don't know if this has been posted before, but whenever vinyl is discussed this alway comes to mind.
Particularly relevant for the Beogram 4000c
Hi Beoworlders,
B&O have agreed that I can give the following press release, which I am excited to share
The level of craftsmanship and attention to detail that showcases Beogram 4000c and makes it so special is also evident in the connecting cables that are included. Sounds Heavenly were proud to be asked by Bang & Olufsen to create a range of audiophile quality cables to allow Beogram 4000c to be used with B&O's new range of Wireless Multiroom speakers, as well as with any audio system. As we are music lovers and professional engineers, designing and assembling our cables is treated with the same care that is used when creating a work of art. We wish Bang & Olufsen every success with the iconic Beogram 4000c turntable!
Kind regards, Steve.
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Congratulations Steve! That is recognition very well deserved.
News like that is worthy of a post of it's own.
Tim
Steve at Sounds Heavenly: Hi Beoworlders, B&O have agreed that I can give the following press release, which I am excited to share The level of craftsmanship and attention to detail that showcases Beogram 4000c and makes it so special is also evident in the connecting cables that are included. Sounds Heavenly were proud to be asked by Bang & Olufsen to create a range of audiophile quality cables to allow Beogram 4000c to be used with B&O's new range of Wireless Multiroom speakers, as well as with any audio system. As we are music lovers and professional engineers, designing and assembling our cables is treated with the same care that is used when creating a work of art. We wish Bang & Olufsen every success with the iconic Beogram 4000c turntable! Kind regards, Steve.
Hi Steve...
Can you give us more info? So you're making specials cables to connect the wireless speakers to the 4000c? That's soooo B&O marketing speak :-)
Anyway.. more info is more then welcome!
ngnear: I don't know if this has been posted before, but whenever vinyl is discussed this alway comes to mind. Particularly relevant for the Beogram 4000c
+1
@Steve
’audiophile quality cables’ - I know you make quality cables, for sure.
But what is audiophile cables.....and why are they needed here?
(You have 95 seconds to answer :-))))
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Hi,
Please don't worry, in this sense, "audiophile" is just another word for "music lover". That was the intent when using the phrase in my press release.
kuyttendaele: Hi Steve... Can you give us more info? So you're making specials cables to connect the wireless speakers to the 4000c? That's soooo B&O marketing speak :-) Anyway.. more info is more then welcome! Karel.
Hi Karel,
Yes, the Beogram 4000c includes 3.5mm and twin RCA cables, so you can plug the turntable directly into Beolab 50, Beolab 90, Core, or any B&O wireless Multiroom speaker with a 3.5mm input (eg. M5, Beosound 2, A9, Balance, etc), as well as into any non-B&O audio system. Linking into a Core or B&O Multiroom speaker makes the turntable audioble on any other Multiroom speaker around your home.
Steve at Sounds Heavenly: Hi, Please don't worry, in this sense, "audiophile" is just another word for "music lover". That was the intent when using the phrase in my press release. Kind regards, Steve.
Honestly I did not expect anything else from you.
But it is important not to use the ‘audiophile- bullsh*t-phrases’ from a/the marketing department, when promoting Bang & Olufsen products.
I second the concerns of seethroughyou!
Steve at Sounds Heavenly: kuyttendaele: Hi Steve... Can you give us more info? So you're making specials cables to connect the wireless speakers to the 4000c? That's soooo B&O marketing speak :-) Anyway.. more info is more then welcome! Karel. Hi Karel, Yes, the Beogram 4000c includes 3.5mm and twin RCA cables, so you can plug the turntable directly into Beolab 50, Beolab 90, Core, or any B&O wireless Multiroom speaker with a 3.5mm input (eg. M5, Beosound 2, A9, Balance, etc), as well as into any non-B&O audio system. Linking into a Core or B&O Multiroom speaker makes the turntable audioble on any other Multiroom speaker around your home. Kind regards, Steve.
I understand completely that you can connect the set to a Core/Balance/... but how are you controlling the volume when directly connecting the set to (BeoLab) speakers?
As Steve wrote, with the 50/90 you can.
With any other Beolab you need a B&O preamp (Beomaster/-center/-sound) or a volume-regulated third party preamp of some kind in the mix.
.....you could also use a Playmaker as the preamp.
Dillen: Could we take a guess at which one of their back catalogue units they will be "recreating" one hundred of in five years?Perhaps Beomaster 4400 (and call it Beomaster 3000c and give it a rose-pink tint)?
Could we take a guess at which one of their back catalogue units they will be "recreating" one hundred of in five years?Perhaps Beomaster 4400 (and call it Beomaster 3000c and give it a rose-pink tint)?
I vote for Hyperbo 5rg -> would be hyperbo 5rgC
Vintage Bang & Olufsen
seethroughyou:I hope B&O don’t go down the path of audiophile cables nor for that matter audiophile anything. People go to B&O to get away from the crazy audiophiles and their obsessive audiophoolery.
Whilst I am a crazy, obsessive B&O nut, I am also a crazy, obsessive audiophile and I find your comments very hurtful.
AdamS:Whilst I am a crazy, obsessive B&O nut, I am also a crazy, obsessive audiophile and I find your comments very hurtful.
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Michael: Hehe My local HiFi store sells rats that are made of vinyl and filled with heavy something to eliminate vibrations. I wonder what Geoff would say if I put those rats on my beolab 50 :)
Hehe
My local HiFi store sells rats that are made of vinyl and filled with heavy something to eliminate vibrations. I wonder what Geoff would say if I put those rats on my beolab 50 :)
Wow,
They sound like a really fun and interesting product! Can you share a picture please? I know of at least one friend who I would want to send a vinyl rat to....
Steve at Sounds Heavenly:Wow, They sound like a really fun and interesting product! Can you share a picture please? I know of at least one friend who I would want to send a vinyl rat to.... Kind regards, Steve. Steve. www.soundsheavenly.com Sounds Heavenly are proud to sponsor BeoWorld!
Thanks, these look very funny!
Quote from the linked review:
’The result, also, was that a little more macro-detail did show through in the recordings; nuances one may have casually passed over sans these things, now surfaced with more clarity.’
Could somebody please translate that into a common language?
Especially what the term ‘macro-detail’ might mean would be interesting to know
Price 240 $ - but they look neat.
P.S. I know it is a bit off-topic, but I could not resist ;-)))
Millemissen:P.S. I know it is a bit off-topic, but I could not resist ;-)))
Michael:Haha found them :) https://audiofi.net/2015/05/entreq-vibb-eater-out-damned-vibes/
There is at least one member here who would be interested in those for "I dont precisely remember what" about an M5 speaker
Did anyone actually manage to buy one? In UK they only had 9 (in total) to sell, and they are gone...
was at my dealer yesterday (Germany), they got two, sold in a second...had more demand than supply.
Well that's a good sign for B&O to proceed with other iconic products.
"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
AnalogPlanet: Well that's a good sign for B&O to proceed with other iconic products.
And which product(s) would that be then?They made many iconic FM receivers, also some lovely portables - but FM? - NaahhhThey made many iconic TV sets - but ...- NaahhhA passive speaker then? -- NaahhhBeogram 4000 is indeed an iconic product. However, B&O chose to recreate a different model and only kept the iconic models name.
Martin