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One that comes to mind (and the one I'm hoping for) is Beosound 9000. For less than 10.000 EUR, if possible.
"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
Dillen:And which product(s) would that be then? They made many iconic FM receivers, also some lovely portables - but FM? - Naahhh They made many iconic TV sets - but ...- Naahhh A passive speaker then? -- Naahhh Beogram 4000 is indeed an iconic product. However, B&O chose to recreate a different model and only kept the model name. Martin
hmmm.....if it costs 10k to cobble together a Beogram 4002 at todays rates the cost of producing a BM 6000 would be eyewatering, where would all the little clutch assemblies and feedback pots come from? not from China that's for sure......
Craig
Schletti82: Maybe I should recreate some real BG 4000 and put an internal RIAA inside. give him a new wood shape and the box I think I can do too😂 maybe a good Idea would be I recreat a Beolab 5000 and Beomaster 5000 for it and give it the same wooden frame. think oak would be beautiful. and I can sell the hole system for 10000€😂😂😂😂😂🙈🙈🙈
Maybe I should recreate some real BG 4000 and put an internal RIAA inside.
give him a new wood shape and the box I think I can do too😂
maybe a good Idea would be I recreat a Beolab 5000 and Beomaster 5000 for it and give it the same wooden frame.
think oak would be beautiful.
and I can sell the hole system for 10000€😂😂😂😂😂🙈🙈🙈
Hi Schletti
That's a good idea, had a similar idea too 2 years ago, nobody liked it, so the Oakpanels stay still home ;-((
And finally the new BEOGRAM 8800 is presented in this Link:
https://medium.com/@foxxohmer/bang-olufsen-beogram-8800-56db5358c24e
Best regards
Chrischi
Fourth line states: "In 1965, Bang & Olufsen produced its first record deck, the Beogram 1000.", which is factually (VERY) wrong, so I stopped reading. Design is a matter of personal taste (and the design presented in the link is definitely not my taste), but one could at least get the facts right.
Martin
Dillen:Fourth line states: "In 1965, Bang & Olufsen produced its first record deck, the Beogram 1000.", which is factually (VERY) wrong, so I stopped reading. Design is a matter of personal taste (and the design presented in the link is definitely not my taste), but one could at least get the facts right. Martin
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Spassmaker: And finally the new BEOGRAM 8800 is presented in this Link: https://medium.com/@foxxohmer/bang-olufsen-beogram-8800-56db5358c24e
Some young designers (or so called…) like to design weird looking object with unreal specs and stick a B&O logo on it.But most of the time they lack the very essence of what B&O design is or was.
This deck is nothing B&O to me.
Razlaw: Dillen: Fourth line states: "In 1965, Bang & Olufsen produced its first record deck, the Beogram 1000.", which is factually (VERY) wrong, so I stopped reading. Design is a matter of personal taste (and the design presented in the link is definitely not my taste), but one could at least get the facts right. Martin Forgive my lack of knowledge on the subject, but what is factually wrong?
Dillen: Fourth line states: "In 1965, Bang & Olufsen produced its first record deck, the Beogram 1000.", which is factually (VERY) wrong, so I stopped reading. Design is a matter of personal taste (and the design presented in the link is definitely not my taste), but one could at least get the facts right. Martin
Forgive my lack of knowledge on the subject, but what is factually wrong?
1. Bang & Olufsen made record decks since apprx 1930.2. The first Beogram 1000 wasn't produced in 1965.- And the Beogram 1000 pictured has black surface so isn't first edition (which was more like "Hammerite" grey).
Dillen:1. Bang & Olufsen made record decks since apprx 1930. 2. The first Beogram 1000 wasn't produced in 1965. - And the Beogram 1000 pictured has black surface so isn't first edition (which was more like "Hammerite" grey). Martin
Beogram 1000 was the first record deck to be given the name "Beogram".Before it was the 606,607,608,609 and the 41V, 41VF,42V and 42VF.Before them came all the Unitape models, all the S-type furnitures and lots of Radiograms and record deck chassis' for building in to existing furnitures.If we go way back, Bjarnes 5-Lamper radiogram (year 1932) was one of the first (the record deck was also available separately):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBprBNv-JYI
after calling around and around I managed to buy one from a dealer in Denmark. SO, there is still a chance with a bit of persistence. Delivery in December though.
matador43: Some young designers (or so called…) like to design weird looking object with unreal specs and stick a B&O logo on it.But most of the time they lack the very essence of what B&O design is or was. This deck is nothing B&O to me.
Whilst I do completely agree with you, I have to say......................I quite like it nonetheless!
Ditlev: after calling around and around I managed to buy one from a dealer in Denmark. SO, there is still a chance with a bit of persistence. Delivery in December though.
Wow great
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Just surprised they did not go all the way and go for 4001 - and copy the original!
However , although it is not a 4000, which is my favourite, I think it is great to see B&O taking an interest in their back catalogue. Not sure what else they can do though as most audio mediums are obsolete as streaming in the way forward and they have plenty of devices to do this with. Getting one to work really well will be a start - I gave my Beocound 2 to one of my patients as it annoyed me so much! He likes it though!
Peter
There's no fun for me with this new unit, no matter the price.
The pleasures of working on these doing a full restoration, far outweigh the pleasures of owning one!
All the work has already been done!
I own both the BG4000 and the 4002 DC (and the BG3000 70's version). All Fully Restored, pristine showpieces, I love looking at them (and listening to them), but I still get much more excited every time I receive a customer's BG for a restoration.
I'd like to see what's under the covers - what they changed, and what stayed the same.
Are these the AC or DC motor versions?
When I was a youngster, I drooled at the fabulous new BG1000 in the local dealer showroom.
Later, I started working as an apprentice technician at that dealer.
I couldn't afford any of the equipment until many years later, but as a technician, I worked though my desires by caressing the insides of those incredibly beautiful machines, and then discovered that I didn't NEED to actually own each and every model!
Menahem Yachad: There's no fun for me with this new unit, no matter the price.
I can't agree on that specific quote. I would like to have one, maybe just because the B&O marketing an that launch was very good.
BUT
on all the rest of your post, totally agree and love your story.
leosgonewild:I saw this unit in the store today. What a disappointment. Wasn’t the aluminum supposed tobeanodized to champagne color? Besides from the wood it looked as the 4004 I had before.
Wasn’t the aluminum supposed tobeanodized to champagne color? Besides from the wood it looked as the 4004 I had before.
Hi Leo,
Could you elaborate a little please? Or maybe did you even take a shot or two?
I have to confess that I think there is too much negativity here! The 4000c is a very limited run of remanufactured record players and will no doubt sound as good as any of its forebears. It keeps the looks of the 400x decks but has been made with more modern components. I agree with Martin that it is not a 4000, and personally I prefer the looks of the 4000, but they are within their rights to call it what they like - let's face it, there were 4 completely different Beogram 3000 models and we don't complain about that. I think it splendid that B&O have looked their back catalogue and there has been a general clamour for some time for a record player. Maybe the fact that this sold out so quickly is an indication that they might consider developing a new one.
I have three 400x decks - including a 4000 - and all sound great. I suppose they did not use the 4000 as the base for the 4000c as it was the oldest and most complex with the later models being simplified with no real detriment to the sound quality. The incusion of a RIAA board was also a feature of the 4002 and 6000 and was not seen in the 4000, where I think it would struggle to find room!
leosgonewild:It did not look at all like it does in the promo picture.
Are you sure it was a 4000C and not a DIY 4002 turned 4000c?
Thank you for the additional details.
Then I'm disappointed: apart from all the philosophical talks about "does it wort or not the price" and " is it or not a true Beogram", I ended up finding it beautiful, especially de light gold color with the light wood plinth.
And it would be sad to see that the unit is not as beutifull in the flesh that in the pictures.
matador43:Then I'm disappointed
I haven't seen it in reallity. I haven't heard it! So for me impossible to compare the BG4000c with my BG4002 and/or BG6000.
That said I do have my opinion about the price and looks.
I should have said "the thatt would be dissapointing" (if it dont look like it does in pictures.)
No way for me to see it in real so I have to rely on pictures and point of view like Leo's one.As already said, because of the price, the only reason for me to "want" that deck is the finish.If it looks too close the original one, even more now I got an original one for less than 1/100th of the retail price, then it kills the effect moreover when usually B&O products looks better in real than in picture.
As for the sounding, it should sound similar to a well retored original deck as it is sold as "recreated" and not "updated", right?
matador43:As already said, because of the price, the only reason for me to "want" that deck is the finish.
matador43:As for the sounding, it should sound similar to a well retored original deck as it is sold as "recreated" and not "updated", right?
leosgonewild:There was no champagne color to metal. It was the same color as original. The unit actually had multiple imperfections in metal, and at least one in wood. The metal on the lid was bent on the corner. It did not look at all like it does in the promo picture. I mean, you can tweak the color a bit, but you can’t tweak it to a total different color. I see o the website that there is no mention of champagne color anymore. I am quite sure it was before?
It did not look at all like it does in the promo picture.
I mean, you can tweak the color a bit, but you can’t tweak it to a total different color.
I see o the website that there is no mention of champagne color anymore. I am quite sure it was before?
The one I have seen it is Champagne, but it is a very subtle colour.
And yes the one I saw also had many imperfections, you are in no doubt that these are refurbised, which I guess is the point.
I my self would more have liked a complete new unit, but that is not the same story.
Emil Jensen:And yes the one I saw also had many imperfections,
It's actually quite interesting. Let me explain!
You should know my interest in paper brochures. Well I decide to make my own Beogram 4000c catalog, to be able to quietly turn pages and enjoy the georgous pictures or informations that are on the website.
Well, that silly work made me study the pictures closely and pay attention to some details.I was for example surprised by the perfect alignement of the grooves between the top plates, neater than in my deck.But under some angles, you can spot the usuals misalignment. So I believe there is heavy picture editing work (beside the usual). Also in a close up of the platter, you can see the rubber "rays" are also a little bit worn, which surprises me as it would mean that the rubbers are taken out and put back after the anodisation process.
The lid is told as been "remanufactured" so it should be perfectly new.
Funny thing, there's a picture where the women from the "crafting memories" film is seen actuating the deck, but it makes no sense: sha has her finger near the 33 key, deck stopped without record.
matador43: Sandyb:I’m guessing most who buy it will be very familiar with the original 4000.
Sandyb:I’m guessing most who buy it will be very familiar with the original 4000.
Just noticed than in the book "The art of impossible", the Beogram 4000 page is illustrated with beautiful… Beogram 4002!
As someone fortunate enough to have bought a 4000c - albeit, I’ve not taken delivery yet, I will post my views as and when I can. Needless to say, I’m sure the wait will be worth it
As someone fortunate enough to have secured a 4000c, I’ll post a review as soon as I’ve taken delivery - which I’m told, is imminent. I think the wait will be worth it !
Congrats on your Beogram 4000c. I’ll look forward to your review. May I ask where you’re located, and when you were told your turntable might arrive?
I’m located in the US, and have had my order in with my dealer since it was announced in September—one of three units I’m told they were allowed to take deposits on. I was originally told delivery in Dec/Jan, but that got pushed back and here we are almost in March and I still haven’t heard a definitive date.
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Hi,
There are I believe only 4 units coming to England and only 1 coming to B&O Winchester.
Seems there are quite a few “celebs” who have managed to also obtain one.
Beyonce and JZ, Drake, the Berkhamsted and Sir Alex Ferguson etc.
I wasn’t told a date as such but when I did chase them I received a very nice letter from Mads Kogsgaard Hansen, the Global Product Director which essentially asked me to be patient !
He indicated I’d get mine in March which tallies in with what Winchester also says.
i found out yesterday that mine is actually no.93/95.
Since posting this yesterday I had had three offers for the unit - one from Germany offering me.....EUR 28,000 or £25,000 !
That's great--so soon. Enjoy! I guess I'll try to be more patient and hope mine arrives in the near future, as well.
I made the mistake of telling my wife about your offers, thinking she'd be impressed with what a great "deal" I'm getting on the 4000c, and now she wants me to sell mine as soon as it arrives! Hopefully I'll win this argument....
Ha ha ha !
Your wife sounds pretty formidable (I just didn’t tell mine !).
I think that no matter what, even if you use the deck it’ll still be an investment !
I’ll send you pics when it arrives - good to be in contact.
leosgonewild:Leosgonewild decided, as usual, to make one himself
And Matador, the accompagnying papers
From left to right: Owner's manual, product brochure, technical guide, design story booklet, service manual, all in "C" (recreated) version.
Ufc69: Hi, There are I believe only 4 units coming to England and only 1 coming to B&O Winchester. Seems there are quite a few “celebs” who have managed to also obtain one. Beyonce and JZ, Drake, the Berkhamsted and Sir Alex Ferguson etc. I wasn’t told a date as such but when I did chase them I received a very nice letter from Mads Kogsgaard Hansen, the Global Product Director which essentially asked me to be patient ! He indicated I’d get mine in March which tallies in with what Winchester also says. i found out yesterday that mine is actually no.93/95. Since posting this yesterday I had had three offers for the unit - one from Germany offering me.....EUR 28,000 or £25,000 !
Wow, I hadn't realised they would be so popular! I feel very proud to have been a small part of this by making the connecting cables that are shipped with the 4000c.
Wish I had the money to buy one of these Beograms for myself!
Kind regards, Steve.
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Steve at Sounds Heavenly: I feel very proud to have been a small part of this by making the connecting cables that are shipped with the 4000c.
I would also be very proud to have participated in such a historic B&O product. But as a previous buyer of your cables I can also say there's no doubt why they chose you: your cables re absolutely gorgeous! The honor is well deserved.
Are you able to show us a photo or tell us in more detail what you delivered for these amazingly restored Beograms?
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