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Whilst we argue about the merits of good design here on Beoworld, some parts of the world are collapsing.
You can buy maybe 100 houses in Detroit for the price of a BV11.
Graham
100 houses huh? Interesting. How much is the BV 11 anyway? I stopped watching tv that much so.... I might not be the target consumer for B&O tv... But B&O all in one desktop on the other hand.....
Anyway back to the topic how much does one house cost in Detroit? And where did you get that info from?
As little as $1
The case of Detroit is widely documented. If you're interested in the subject I might suggest "Detroit: An American Autopsy" written by Charlie Leduff. The book will be released on February 7th 2013, but I was lucky enough to read some pages before the release date.
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Detroit collapses !
not a fresh news.
Beautiful haunting houses for studios.
If they grant me a lifetime green card, I would be interested by one of these abandonned house.
It would be more dramatical if this information concerned Las Vegas.
No more money for sex and poker, this would be the end of the world.
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wonderfulelectric:Anyway back to the topic how much does one house cost in Detroit? And where did you get that info from?
How about you click on the link that was posted? Your first question is even answered in the link name itself.
Nothing new... this web site made an impression fifteen years ago:
http://www.detroityes.com/fabulous-ruins-of-detroit/home.php
(it is sort of an industrial ruin of a web site itself nowadays, but try to figure out the navigation)
--mika
I scraped up some pocket change - I will take these two.
Do "drive" with G Street view in Detroit, or other US cities, it's quite intresting.
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tournedos: wonderfulelectric:Anyway back to the topic how much does one house cost in Detroit? And where did you get that info from? How about you click on the link that was posted? Your first question is even answered in the link name itself. Nothing new... this web site made an impression fifteen years ago: http://www.detroityes.com/fabulous-ruins-of-detroit/home.php (it is sort of an industrial ruin of a web site itself nowadays, but try to figure out the navigation)
Interesting... But more importantly more much does the BV11 cost?
Detroit is a perfect example of the results of certain labor and political approaches that have run unfettered for decades and predictably resulted in chaos and decay. The locals though insist that the answer to this is to double down and do more of the exact same policies that produced the implosion. And fight tooth and nail against any adult supervision over their affairs.
If you want a house like that in Detroit, I'd strongly suggest you obtain more than one firearm, including a shotgun and long rifle plus a pistol or three, and learn how to use them. Large parts of it are basically free fire zones the police won't even touch, and the city has even turned out streetlights and suspended basic services to large areas because they are lightly populated and they can't afford it.
It's a sad spectacle and a disgrace for my country to have a major industrial area wind up like that.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Well thanks for the heads up! No going to Detroit for me.... No thank you...
It sounds like worse than a 3rd world place.
Jeff: Large parts of it are basically free fire zones the police won't even touch, and the city has even turned out streetlights and suspended basic services to large areas because they are lightly populated and they can't afford it.
Large parts of it are basically free fire zones the police won't even touch, and the city has even turned out streetlights and suspended basic services to large areas because they are lightly populated and they can't afford it.
I have visited Detroit at least one hundred times in my life, most recently in October 2012. I lived in Michigan for 38 years, including 19 in Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti, less than an hour from Detroit.
What you wrote above, Jeff, with all due respect, is simply not true.
Well, a good friend of mine lives on the outskirts and works in Detroit. Outside the enclaves of the suburbs and RenCen it is most definitely true for large swaths of the city, but you can get the impression it isn't if you keep to the less decrepit areas. You say one thing, my friend paints a different picture...is he wrong or are you not going thru the worst areas?
I'm not sure if you meant this to be sarcastic, but these two houses do have some very interesting architectural features. Assuming the exterior is structurally sound, these houses would definitely be worth restoring. I'm a fervent reader of This Old House magazine in which dedicated people have brought some houses "back from the brink."
Our house is over 100 years old (fairly old for our area) and it could definitely have ended up like these two houses if the former owners kept going like they were.
Jeff: Well, a good friend of mine lives on the outskirts and works in Detroit. Outside the enclaves of the suburbs and RenCen it is most definitely true for large swaths of the city, but you can get the impression it isn't if you keep to the less decrepit areas. You say one thing, my friend paints a different picture...is he wrong or are you not going thru the worst areas?
I see many articles about a *proposal* to turn off street lights, none that indicate that it has actually been done. To call these sparsely populated areas "free fire" zones is a bit sensational (imho) as most sparsely populated areas (rural) in the US could fit that same description (shoot guns, no police come). In fact, there are also articles that speak to the fact that a lot of wildlife and native flora/fauna has returned to these areas - urban wilderness, they call it.
Does that mean it is a nice place to live and raise a family? Not for me, but artists have started to reboot some neighborhoods, drawn by the $1 houses.
To solely blame labor for the problems of Detroit is also somewhat sensational. Who gave the unions their cushy contracts (have you ever refused a pay raise or better working conditions?), and designed the subpar autos (I worked for GM in the mid-80s and the waste I saw in the offices was mind boggling - I was convinced they would go bankrupt, but was about 20 years too early)? I've got to believe the big 3 had some influence over the local politicians, not to mention those in Washington who created policies that favor outsourcing. Yes, unions play their part, but there is plenty of blame to go around.
Stan
Not to be too argumentative, but your reading comprehension leaves a little to be desired. Did I say solely labor, or did I mention politicians and political philosophy as well? But feel free to enlighten me as to how many Republican administrations have run Detroit in the past few decades, not that they aren't also capable of screwing the pooch too. As for the Big 3, GM is still playing by the same failed rule book, Ford seems to have learned, and I think Chrysler is trying but may have slipped so far down its unrecoverable.
Tthe current city administration refuses to allow the state to attempt to regulate and correct their mistakes, screaming racism when they try and still clinging to the policies that got them there. Eventually you'd think the residents would demand a change but it doesn't seem to have happened yet sadly.
The only hope for a lot of the od areas is the kind of gentrification you talk about, including the oft discussed but so far not really done plans to tear down large parts of the city and return it to green zones. As for lights, from what my friend says large areas are unlit not so much due threats to turn power ff but due to no manpower or budget to repair the lights that fail or are shot out. The city threatens to turn the lights out whenever they want to extort more money from the state.
It's a mess, and one of the more corrupt city governments in the country.
No argument here. I skimmed over the words "and political" ...
As for the corruption, my friend says "Detroit can only wish their corruption worked as well as Chicago's"... His point is that while Chicago is also known to be very corrupt (really, is there any city of a decent size anywhere in this world that is not regarded as "very corrupt" by those who view its inner workings), after all the payoffs have been made, things generally work. Not so in Detroit.
Roger that...Chi Town is as corrupt a place a s you'll find but they manage to make the trains run on time, like Mussolini did. It's odd, two places that are kind of incompetently corrupt that come to mind are Detroit and New Orleans.
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Jeff:But feel free to enlighten me as to how many Republican administrations have run Detroit in the past few decades, not that they aren't also capable of screwing the pooch too. As for the Big 3, GM is still playing by the same failed rule book, Ford seems to have learned, and I think Chrysler is trying but may have slipped so far down its unrecoverable.
Reminds me of a program on BBC I think, about how it talked about Keynes philosophy of minimal government intervention. Like how the we should follow the natural order and let nature run its course. Then again you have think about what is nature and whether nature itself is created. ( A recent idea I acquired from watching "Ancient Aliens"... reading Sutras did help build the idea too... lol.....) Sigh.... it's like a no way out....