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Hello everyone. I have just bought a Beogram 5005 turntable. The person who sold it stated that it was in good working order. This appears to be the case a part from a problem with the tone arm. When a 33 record is played it is fine to start off with. However as the stylus tracks across towards the middle of the record the tone arm touches the back of the record so that it is not possible to play the last tracks on the record. The tone arm is not truly horizontal and slopes slightly forwards towards the front of the record player. I have looked at the postings on this site relating to tone arm adjustment. I have also read the relevant section of the service manual. Having done this I know that I would not be able to make the required adjustment. Could anyone please let me know of a service engineer who would be willing to carry out this work for me. I live in North Birmingham, West Midlands England. The service engineer could come to my house or I am willing to take the turntable to the engineer's home or workshop if this is feasible. I am very pleased with the performance of the turntable and would like to get this problem fixed so that I can listen to my records. Many thanks in advance.
Sounds like the rail on which the carriage runs has come off its mountings. Don't have one of these decks around but I think it just clips in and out. Could be as simple as looking at both ends of the rail and seeing if one is loose.
Peter
Hello Peter
Many thanks for your quick reply. I have just looked at the rail. You are right in saying that it clips in at both ends. I have checked them and they are both clipped in so I assume that it is a different problem. I appreciate your response.
Michael Wilson: Hello Peter Many thanks for your quick reply. I have just looked at the rail. You are right in saying that it clips in at both ends. I have checked them and they are both clipped in so I assume that it is a different problem. I appreciate your response.
Did you check both rails??
Regards Graham
Rails, I agree.Could also be a broken lamp in the tracking opto - or a dead LDR. Both of these are also quite common.Neither are particularly costly repairs and don't let them tell you parts are no longer available.
Martin
Hello Graham
Many thanks for your response. I did not realise that there were two rails. I have looked again. The top rail is metal and is securely fixed at both ends. The bottom white plastic rail is hooked under the tabs at both ends. This rail does lift up. Not sure if it is supposed to do that. Appreciate your response.
Hello Dillon
Many thanks for your response. The lamp lights up when you press the lift and turn button. I assume that this lamp is to enable you to select tracks. The main point about the tone arm is that it does appear to slope towards the front slightly. I have checked the rails and it seems attached okay. Is there another way of adjusting the arm so that it is more horizontal to the top of the platter?
It could be this problem. The light is not visible, it is inside of tonearm base. you can check if it works if you remove cartridge from arm and operate player. Without cartridge arm does not lower to record and if you gently move it from left and right, when moved to left arm should move forward, and when moved to right it should stop.
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Michael Wilson: Hello Graham Many thanks for your response. I did not realise that there were two rails. I have looked again. The top rail is metal and is securely fixed at both ends. The bottom white plastic rail is hooked under the tabs at both ends. This rail does lift up. Not sure if it is supposed to do that. Appreciate your response.
I meant the two metal rails. The arm runs on the rear metal rail and "leans" on/over the smaller, front metal rail.
In my experience, it is the smaller front rail that is inclined to spring out of it's mountings in transit and would lead to exactly the symptoms you are describing.
hello Graham
Many thanks for your response. I have looked at one metal rail at the back of the tone arm. I accessed this by taking off the back panel which is connected by two small screws. I cannot see the front rail. Could you please advise what I need to do to check this rail. I think that this might well be the problem as the turntable was not well packaged for transport. I am very grateful to you and the other people who have taken the time to reply to this request for help.
Hello again
I looked at the underneath of the record player and saw the hinges and the two small fixing screws. This enabled me to complete a thorough check of the two metal rails which hold the tone arm. The tone arm is firmly fixed to the rails and this part looks correct. I think that it is a problem with the tone arm. As stated previously the tone arm itself appears to be a little loose and upon closer inspection you can see that it is slightly out of the horizontal position. As well as a slight lean towards the front of the record player there is a slight lean to the left hand side of the player. A 33 record will get to about 80% of the record before it starts to catch on the back of the record. Can anyone advise if it is possible to make an adjustment to the tone arm to bring it back to a true horizontal position. I think if I can do this the problem would be solved. I am most grateful for all the responses received to date and appreciate the time taken by people who respond.
If your transport screws are loosened and sledge rails in place, your tonearm may be unhooked or the support for the tonearm is damaged, how the tonearm is correctly placed (or hung) you can see in the manual onsite, available for silver and gold members.
If the tonearm support is damaged, check this thread
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Michael Wilson: it starts to catch on the back of the record
What this exactly means? Do you mean LP by record or player back wall? Is tonearm, when player is off and arm in resting position, level with indicatorarm, or are they both leaning towards front?
If arm is noticeable lower than indicator it is probably arm hanging "bearing" (actually a sort of pin). Tough, this should not cause any scrathing unless arm is badly off positoin... If they are nicely even, maybe you miss some support springs or something....