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Hi guys,
some people said that it's impossible to update Internet Explorer 6 to Version 7 on Beomedia 1. Today I will prove that it is possible !
I tested this procedure on two Beomedia 1 and it worked both times. If something goes wrong you can simply recover your Beomedia 1. As B&O says you will not loose any media files stored, but I take no responsibility if something goes wrong.
For updating IE 6 to version 7 on Windows XP Embedded Systems like Beomedia 1 Microsoft recommends to compile a new image including IE7. This can be done, but the software to compile such an image is not freeware, it's a rather expensive software called Windows Embedded Image Studio and it's not an easy and quick job.
IE 7 requires some components installed prior on XP embedded XP2 to be able to install IE 7.
Here is the dirty and quick way to get IE 7 on Beomedia 1:
I used Service Pack 3 for standard Windows XP Home or Professional. Service Pack 3 (SP3) updates only the components already installed by Windows XP embedded SP2. Ok, it adds Windows Update and Remote Desktop Connection, but who needs this ? The more updates you install by Windows Update the slower Beomedia 1 will be.
The main goal is to have IE 7. After installing SP3 you are able to install IE 7. To get it IE 7 working again with Beomedia 1 software you have to install Beomedia 1 software over the existing Beomedia 1 software.
Here is what you need:
- A little bit of knowledge on how to work with Windows and how to get your Beomedia 1 in Service Mode (R - 0 - 0 - GO).
- A keyboard and a mouse. I used both usb devices. If it doesn't work as usb support is deactivated in Beomedia 1's BIOS you can use PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
- Service Pack 3 for Windows XP. You can get it here: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24
- Internet Explorer 7. You will get it here: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=2
- Beomedia 1 software. You should find it on your Beomedia 1's harddisc drive D: under DUA_BM. It's called Beomedia1.exe. You should be sure that it is there. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to go on as Beomedia 1 needs the settings that will be written to IE 7 to work.
All software installations have to be done in Service Mode of Beomedia 1 and all processes/tasks belonging to Beomedia have to be ended. You can find them in the task manager. They all start with BEO in their names and of course Navigator.exe. Everytime you have to restart Beomedia 1 restart it and after that end the Beomedia 1 software called Navigator. Before you start you should uninstall Macromedia Flash Version 8. We will update it later to a newer version.
After the installation of SP3 you should see this in your systems property page:
BeoSound 9000 MK3, BeoLab 8000, BeoLab 6000, BeoLab 3500, LCS9000, BeoLab 11, BeoLab 7.2, BeoLab 7.1, Beolab 4 PC, BeoCenter 2300, BeoSound Century, BeoSound 8, Beosound 2, BeoVision 7-40 MK2 , BeoVision 7-32 MK3, BeoVision 6-22, BeoVision 4-42, BeoMedia 1, BeoCom 4, BeoLink 1000, BeoLink 5, BeoLink 4 & BeoTime
After this you can go on with the installation of IE 7. After the successful installation of IE 7 you should see this on the "About" Tab in IE 7:
To get rid of some windows which open after installation of IE 7 you have to make two or three settings on the websites shown and save them. In the list of installed software you will then find this: (see buttom of window)
After verifying that IE 7 is working correct you can go on with the next step of installing Beomedia1.exe over the existing installation. If everything went right you will be presented with the Beomedia 1 surface again. If you now start WEB you should see something like this which means your Beomedia 1 is now running IE 7:
If everything is running fine now, you can install an updated version of Flash Player which you will get here: http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions.html. I took the latest version of Flash 10. If you want to try get Flash 11, but I didn't test it.
After all updates the memory consumption has increased a little bit from around 94MB to about 123MB as you can see in the picture below:
The update of IE 6 to IE 7 changed nothing on the maintenance tab of the Beomedia 1 software.
I hope this answers all the question of updating IE 6 to IE 7. I tried IE 8 too, but it didn't work. It looks like IE 8 and up are using a total different engine without some functions of the old versions.
I am open to all questions belonging to the procedure described above. Please feel free to ask or comment.
Regards
Martin
That is perfect Martin! Hope it works for me also! I will try this ASAP!!!
Dimitris-
DrDimitris: That is perfect Martin! Hope it works for me also! I will try this ASAP!!!
Thanks Dimitris It will work on your Beomedia 1 as well.
As some people reported that their Beomedia 1 is rather slow with only 256MB of memory installed, I must admit that I installed 1GB. I never tested Beomedia 1 with only 256MB together with the updated version of IE 7.
I am tempted to send it to Germany so you can fix mine too
Changing memory on a computer's motherboard is one of the simplest jobs
Really??? Think i can do it? i will test tomorrow IE7 and then i will contact you for details (Type of memory, procedure, etc).
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Hi Heribert,
the main improvements of using IE 7 are slightly faster loading times of web pages and the use of newer versions of the flash player which some web pages require to load correctly. This is what I found out so far.
You can use any memory with a specification of PC-2700 (DDR-333) with a latency of CL 2.5 or PC-3200 (DDR-400) with a latency of CL 3. I used a Kingston PC-3200 1GB memory module I had from an old computer which had two modules of it.
There is only one memory slot on the mainboard which is equipped with a 256MB memory module on original Beomedia 1, so you need a 512MB or a 1GB memory module to increase memory to either 512MB or 1GB.
IE6 is currently a dead browser that had many quirks and problems specific only to it. Many developers are abandoning it, because supporting it creates a lot of extra work. As time goes by, you'll encounter more and more web sites that appear with a broken layout or where essential features won't work with IE6. Version 7 on the other hand is modern enough to serve for years to come.
Well done Martin
--mika
tournedos: ... Well done Martin
... Well done Martin
Thanks Mika
I would like to have some response from people who did the upgrade to IE 7. Do you see other benefits or do you encounter any problems ?
I'm open to any input
Ok, i have just started the procedure Martin described. Dowloaded IE7, now downloading WINDOWS XP SP3 from the adress Martin provided. It needs one more hour to complete.
Wish me luck. I will report back!
Ok, update. Everything worked. Up to IE7 and Beomedia.exe installation. I saw B&O's website fully working. After trying to install flash player 10, all is messed up. Cannot see images, or flash content. Where is the catch????
Trying to update flash player i get this message:
UI_FlashPlayerInstaller
Only a single instance of this application can run
Some tweaking on security settings, restart, some PC magic (restart) and all is working now!
On 256 RAM, and with FlashPlayer11.
Hope it stays this way!
Thanks so much Martin!
Hope you manage to fix the artwork issue...but i think that would be a dream!!
Hi Dimitris,
sorry for not being on your side when you needed help, but I see you did it inbetween.
What do you mean by artwork ? If you mean album covers, yeah, that is the next thing I will try. Found some registry keys in a beoplayer installation which look interesting.
BeoIce: Hi Dimitris, sorry for not being on your side when you needed help, but I see you did it inbetween. What do you mean by artwork ? If you mean album covers, yeah, that is the next thing I will try. Found some registry keys in a beoplayer installation which look interesting. Regards Martin
Album Covers! Exactly what i mean! I am counting on you!
P.S. Scrolling down with BEO4 on web interface is not possible! With a mouse....too slow. Is there a setting for this?
DrDimitris: ... P.S. Scrolling down with BEO4 on web interface is not possible! With a mouse....too slow. Is there a setting for this?
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Hm, I saw this on the main page of bang-olufsen.de when testing, on sub pages of bang-olufsen.de it works and on yahoo sport it works flawlessly too. Curious
EDIT: Tested some other websites, on some it works, on others it doesn't work. I have to take a closer look what's happening behind the curtain
I was unfortunate with 3-4 websites. I did not have time to test some others. I will do it though. Wondering if this is a setting for the mouse on Windows control panel..
And still i am experiencing slow website loading, which is not happening on the same network for my laptop and PC. Maybe it is due to the 256RAM?
I don't think that it has something to do with the mouse setting in windows control panel. Even updating windows and internet explorer with the latest patches didn't solve the problem. It must have something to do with the style websites have been programmed and how IE7 deals with them. That would explain why it works on some, but not all websites.
I found two registry keys which seem to control the scroll and cursor behavior. Have to take a closer look.
Browsing websites, even with IE7, is definitly slower than on an actual laptop or pc. In means of today the Beomedia 1 is extremely slow. It's a single core low power cpu. Normal desktop or mobile pcs today have dual or quad core cpus and the speed of which the cpu communicates with rest of the system is much higher. The VIA Epia II mainboard of Beomedia 1 runs on 266 MHz front side bus, modern pc systems run on front side busses from 800 up to 1333 MHz. In comparison the Beomedia 1 is slow as an handheld calculator.
Hi Martin,
I have installed SP3 and IE7 on my machine. I am really struggling with trying to get flash player to install / work.
I have just ordered 1GB of RAM and will install it when it arrives and will try again to install flash player. Looking at the bottom of my BeoMedia I have no rubber feet, just the small screws which hold the case together. I have put clear stick on feet (like this), but what is normally there?
Thanks for your efforts and for letting us know how to try to update!
Stoobie
Well done Martin!
The album covers are as already known supported by the BM5. But the BM5 has different software than the BM1. It has also more security features. If one of the components (serialized disk, bios and ML board) are missing, then the software won't work.
The BM1 was a kind of playground for the developers of the BM5.
Last weekend I updated my beomedia 1 also as described by Martin. Everuthing went well and ie 7 is working correctly except the flasplayer. I can't install the flash player? Anyone any idea what to check or how to proceed?. Today I will install 1 Gb instead of 256 which is currently installed. Well test again then if the flash player can be installed or not.
Thanks already for the good idee for upgrading to ie 7.
Last weekend we visited people who have a BS5/beomaster5 in combination with a BV and if it is possible the have the album visible on the BV that would be nice. Does anybody know if the file which is started by XP with n.music on the BM1 is the same / diffrent file as the file started by CD on the BS5?
I updated the BM1 to 1 Gb memory and to IE7, which is working fine. Also i installed Google Chrome as second browser (not as the standaard browser) for internetting over the service beo menu. This wroks also well. Watching 'uitzending gemist' for example is possible, but you notice that the hardware is to slow (they advice I higher procssor).
Now is was wundering if somebody tried to change the harddrive and the masterlink card with the sound a.s.o. integrated on to a normal PC. Shouyld this be possible? The rest seems to me as a normale PC configuration, motherboard, usb, supply?
If this is posiible then you have a faster PC with BM1 fucntionality? Would be great?
Dear Martin,
I am in the process of updating my BM1 using this old thread to be able to install a winXP SP3 driver for an external video card to connect a DVI screen (it is an experiment). I got the downloads in your links from the wayback machine website, as the original links are removed by Microsoft. But in the process of updating I got an error, and I was wondering if you could help me with my issue: I have 0 free space on the windows partition (D drive), because the partition is only around 5 GB. Data (E) is 140 GB, with lots of free space, but I cannot repartition these without formatting them, right? Is there a way around this as far as you (or anyone else) knows? I can e.g. copy all the files from E to an external drive, than split the partition and merge e.g. a 5 gb partition with the System partition and copy the data back to the 135 gb partition, but I am also not sure if it is possible to merge an "empty" partition with the system partition without also formatting D:. It has been 15+ years since I did any of this, so any recent experience in this matter, especially involving the BM1 is much appreciated!
PS, I have no clone tools, so I would just be copying files, including hidden files, or using the "backup" tool within windows XP. Would that even work after putting everything back? Or doesn't the BM like that? Also for a cloning program I would need some free space on the data disk.
There's a hole in my bucket...
Beosound 5 Encore + Beosystem 5500 + S45.2; BV7-40 MKV + BL7.1 + BL14.4+ AppleTV4; various link rooms with MCL2 A or MCL2 A/V + RL60.2 / CX100 / CX50 & Cona / IWS2000; BG4000; Beosystem 1200 + BV1600.
BeoIce:You can use any memory with a specification of PC-2700 (DDR-333) with a latency of CL 2.5 or PC-3200 (DDR-400) with a latency of CL 3.
One more thing, I have an old 512 DDR-400 PC3200 ram chip from an XP computer that has been running for 10+ years before I stripped it, but I cannot find any CL rating on the chip and the company does not exist anymore (Dutch company White Lake). Is there a way to find out what the latency is before inserting it? Or what happens if I have the "wrong" latency, because then I can just try and check when it is inside.
(I know it costs very little to upgrade with an Ebay stick, but I enjoy recycling stuff that still works)
Many thanks!
Hi MJBeo,
just plug the RAM Module in the Memory slot. The RAM stick contains an EPROM which has the necessary timings stored. When initialising the System the BIOS reads those values and configures the chipset.
The Latency could be higher than specified but shouldn't go lower than specified. Those 'old' DIMMs with 512 MB are often 'Double Sided' designed so that the Latency is normally 3T or more.
Ralph-Marcus
Hi,
the partitioning scheme is always the same ! It's always defined by the System Recovery process. The large free space is the Data partition whre all the N-Music and Photo data will be placed. Also a fourth partition is mounted in a directory on Drive E which has to be there! That was often a problem when people cloned the disk an forgot (or ignored) the fourth partition.
So you only can do one thing:
Get a CD-ROM and connect it to the second IDE connector and with a Y-splitter to the power.
Get a second IDE disk with atleast the same size of your original disk (160 GB i assume).
Get partition magic or clonezilla (both are Linux Programms with a Live System).
ATTENTION!!!!
Before you modify your existing disk make a backup of your drive to the new, second drive by just cloning the original disk !!!!!
Now disconnect the original disk and replace it with the cloned disk
Boot your installed Beomedia to check whether everything works as before. Might give problems, so just use the System Recovery Process.
Now you can boot the Live System you downloaded. Move the beginning of your Drive E a bit to the right so that it gets smaller and resize the drive D into the now free space you created by the step before. Apply the settings and wait until all is done. Now you can reboot your Beomedia with the CD Drive disconnected.
This has to be done every time when you use the System Recovery Process because it creates a smaller drive D always!
Thanks for the reply! So everyone who performed the upgrade from SP2 to SP3 had to go through this process? I assume that I won't need to use the recovery often, so I might try it.
when upgrading my BeoMedia it wasn't necessary. It just went through the whole process.
Do you have something installed like iTunes or Twonky MediaServer?
I would first do a System Recovery and then upgrade the BeoMedia. This worked for me very well.
RaMaBo: Hi, when upgrading my BeoMedia it wasn't necessary. It just went through the whole process. Do you have something installed like iTunes or Twonky MediaServer? I would first do a System Recovery and then upgrade the BeoMedia. This worked for me very well.
Thanks that is hopefull, I will try that later and report my findings.
One more hint:
Create a new directory in the root of drive e:, i.e. 'WINXP_UPD' or something like that. Put the downloaded files ( XP SP3, IE7...) in this directory so they will be on the Data Drive, they won't be deleted or modified, even when you do the System Recovery Process and they will always be available.
Carolpa:Is there any relevance if you didn't update years ago?
For me it is more about the service pack 3 upgrade, so I can install spotify and some other drivers. The upgrdade of the browser will make sure that I can actually go to websites and download stuff, instead of transferring everything via USB. More importantly, I like the Beomedia as a hobby object, never as a serious device in my setup.