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Beopad or something alike refers to a music system to be placed between the essence and the beosound 5.
When they presented the prototypes of the essence ( october 2013) and the new avant they showed a table top system (imagine a compact pimped up boemaster 8000) with a tablet screen/remote. Retail approx 2k euro
I've been told that the price was above the bs5/bm5.
flx: .... they showed a table top system (imagine a compact pimped up boemaster 8000) with a tablet screen/remote. Retail approx 2k euro
.... they showed a table top system (imagine a compact pimped up boemaster 8000) with a tablet screen/remote. Retail approx 2k euro
@fix
Not sure everybody nowadays know how a BeoMaster 8000 looks like?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Agree, thank god for google images :-)
the 'beopad' may come in a wood finish and the tablet could be either placed screen up,or screen down for a discrete look
flx: ... they showed a table top system (imagine a compact pimped up boemaster 8000) with a tablet screen/remote.
... they showed a table top system (imagine a compact pimped up boemaster 8000) with a tablet screen/remote.
Does that mean a stationary system?
Or does it mean a stationary system with a removable 'tablet screen/remote'?
The second, stationary with removeable remote/ tablet
Thanks!
Beginning to see the picture
flx: The second, stationary with removeable remote/ tablet
When the tablet is sitting on the table top, can the system be operated without WiFi / BT ?
(Just asking because I always turn off radiating devices to protect the brain of my baby when he is home. BTW direct operation is why I like the BS5 concept so much, although I never bought it because of its software limitations: no navigation by genre, only 4 playlists, no customised views, etc.)
Thanks, js
in what price point must we think?
Sorry this i don't know
They told between the new essence and the bs5, i keep forgetting that outside the benelux the bs 5 is much cheaper (3300?) so i thought around 2000-2500 euro.
in the sideline, i think b&o is totalling emberassing their core clients with those ridiculous actions and price changes.
Do you personally think that it's worth the money to swamp the bs5 for the beopad?
Has any one seen the BS Essense yet? Is it any good?
popped into a dealers while away travelling and they said the price was £800 plus, thought the price was going to be at around £650?
Regards
Toby
It would be nice if the beopad remote works with the beosound5.
so that we can make more playlist etc etc
Hi koning,
I would not expect too much 'integration' with the BS5 - it will be a different product.
But it can use the music stored on the BM5.
But - in general - by now way too little is known about the new audio product to speculate on how it can/could be used with older products.
Music stored on the BM5 and navigation with the beopad.
that would be great!
Am i dreaming this time....
badgersurf: Has any one seen the BS Essense yet? Is it any good? Toby
i have seen it a couple of times by now.
If it is any good, depends on what you are expecting and/or want to do with it.
You can play from the internal netradio stations - after you have set it up/picked your favorites in the BeoMusic app.
The 'knob' will turn on the last source used.
But that also means, that if you have 'pushed' a Spotify playlist to it in the evening, and - the next morning - you want to hear news from a netradio station, you will have to turn on your iDevice, open the BeoMusic app to choose the station wanted. Pushing the button on the 'knob' would just start the Spotify playlist again......and vice versa.
If you want to AirPlay to it, you will have to use an app with AirPlay support.
The Beomusic app did not impress me at all. On the iPad - as I tried to play some files from the store-BM5 - there were no big cover pics shown (only the small ones in the list of the album). Either it is supposed to be so (means miserable) or there is some work to do (and some waiting for the users) upgrading the app. The userinterface isn't intuitive - imo.
As i see it - sorry B&O - the 'knob' is usefull for instant control of the volume - not much more. Almost everything else can be done similar with the Playmaker (and the Beo4 of cource) - with netradio played via AirPlaying from the 'TuneIn Radio' app.
On the other hand - if you are a heavy Spotify(-playlist) user (or a 1 or 2 netradio station user), you might benefit from the BeoSound Essence.
koning: Music stored on the BM5 and navigation with the beopad. that would be great! Am i dreaming this time....
Being able to use any DLNA server (such as the one working in the BM5) as 'source' is part of using any DLNA-based player.
You don't have to dream about that - it's reality!
My dealer also confirmed. Retail approx 2k euro
koning: My dealer also confirmed. Retail approx 2k euro
Is it really that much? I thought it would be about 1k euro.
Sorry,
i was talking about the new beopad
koning: Sorry, i was talking about the new beopad
Thanks. That's a relief. I was thinking of getting an Essence but I think I will wait for the beopad.
I asked the 2 dealers I spoke to, about the possibility of connecting the Essence box to an exsting audiomaster etc.
One of them - at first - did not know about that, but later admitted that he had heard about it, but did not know details.
To the other one (which I know quite well), I had to explain how this (so far as we know it by now) could work with the ir-modes of the 'knob'. He promised to ask for details in Struer, since (as he said) the dealers had had no training in using the Essence.
It might be that the Essence could be usefull to some of us/the 'older' B&O users, if these 'hidden possilbilities' gets revealed.
To me - though - it seems wiser to wait for the coming 'Beotablet' before investing in new gear. My Playmaker serves me very well by now.
As written above: under the right circumstances - especially for new B&O costumers - the Essence might be a nice device.
Why is it so 'cheap' compared to the beosound 5?
koning:Why is it so 'cheap' compared to the beosound 5?
BeoBoy68:For me the BeoSound Essence is very expensive. Double price as Playmaker. The wheel remote control cost only 150 euros.
I got to see and use the Essence this afternoon. I have mixed feelings about it. The remote is very well made. The way you turn the wheel to change the volume is very well-engineered. I thought the iPad app was ok, but not brilliant. Good way to bring your NAS content, Spotify and radio in to the single app.
If the BeoPad device is based on this app, it needs some significant work. I wouldn't use it over the Spotify and TuneInRadio Pro apps.
Only downside is the price, particularly if you're a current PM owner. There's not a compelling enough reason to move up to the Essence from the PM.
However, only small caveat here. The Essence remote supports IR. It should control the PM and the remote can be bought for £120! If that's the case, then there's no reason us PM owners could just buy the remote and use it with our PM. No need to spend £699 on the full Essence kit. If this is the case - to be confirmed - then I can forget about trying to get an A9 controller (approx £100) and get one of these Essence controllers instead (£120). It's a huge step up from the A9 controller, in terms of build-quality.
I think their reasoning is it does so much more.
Practically its hard to understand for a consumer what the value add is? Why do I need spotify connect when I can just ise Airplay to stream the music. Yes it has disadvantages to use iphone or ipad to stream but so does streaming via internet straight ti the essence.
For dlna and formats supported, it all comes down to gapless and lossless, some sort of itunes integration that works for mac and pc. essence hasnt changed anything and since Apple doesnt provide a 5ghz chipset its still running on the instable and fragile 2.4ghz range
I dont think Beopad will address any of these things. It will just be a standalone Version of Beomusic plus essence functions maybe.
For some reason I thought the Beomusic app would play either music on the iPhone or iPad and directly from iTunes on my iMac using some sort of source selection within the app. It seems that is not the case. Airport express seems to be the best solution for my setup. Most iDevice users have no idea what a DNLA server and won't want that function. Bewildered!
Maybe we - some of us - have expected too much of the Essence.
I - for my part - am still eager to learn more about the 'hidden' functions of it - the ir-modes of the 'knob' and the ir-in possibility of the box.
linder: For some reason I thought the Beomusic app would play either music on the iPhone or iPad and directly from iTunes on my iMac using some sort of source selection within the app. It seems that is not the case. Airport express seems to be the best solution for my setup. Most iDevice users have no idea what a DNLA server and won't want that function. Bewildered!
Why would you want to play music direct on or your iPhone, iPad or iMac? What did you expect from the BeoMusic app and what would the Essence hide-away box be doing then?
Sorry, but I guess I misinterpreted your comment in the wrong way...
Millemissen: Maybe we - some of us - have expected too much of the Essence. I - for my part - am still eager to learn more about the 'hidden' functions of it - the ir-modes of the 'knob' and the ir-in possibility of the box. MM
I too am interested in learning about the functions of the Essence.
I did not know much about Spotify Connect. I thought perhaps that something is stored on the hideaway box (not a HDD) but something that if you're idevice is out of the range of the wireless network and say you were listening to TuneIn Radio last night and if you select it the next morning (as the last source used) it wouldn't matter if the idevice is in range or not. I'm not sure if this is the case?
The BeoPad or whatever it will be called - the next B&O Music Player - will be interesting to see. Currently my setup is my old retired iPad 64GB on a small powered dock on my coffee table , essentially running as a music player (in lieu of my dead Encore) streamed to my BL3s via a Playmaker. From what I am reading on this post, the BeoPad would not be that dissimilar.
Bring on the possibilities :-)
DoubleU: linder: For some reason I thought the Beomusic app would play either music on the iPhone or iPad and directly from iTunes on my iMac using some sort of source selection within the app. It seems that is not the case. Airport express seems to be the best solution for my setup. Most iDevice users have no idea what a DNLA server and won't want that function. Bewildered! Why would you want to play music direct on or your iPhone, iPad or iMac? What did you expect from the BeoMusic app and what would the Essence hide-away box be doing then? Sorry, but I guess I misinterpreted your comment in the wrong way...
You didn't misinterpret. I expected the Essence to be more like Beoplay type products.
@Michael, the retired Ipad Playmaker BL3 combo is exactly what I am doing as well.
I do not like though that I have to explicit select the playmaker when Imturn the thing on and a small remote would be nice.
Sometimes I switch to Macbook sometimes tomIpad mini or iphone. Is an awesome setup, I dont think Beopad will improve, prob just introduce different pain points.
I am going back and forth on the essence, I could retire playmaker into bedroom but sense that it wont make a huge impact/improvement on day to day.
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jk1002: I do not like though that I have to explicit select the playmaker when Imturn the thing on and a small remote would be nice. I
But with the latest software and if your ipad is on a dock like mine, i press one button (the home button), swipe up from the bottom and press play which does the last source i have found.
As much as i love the look of the BS5, this setup is just ideal. I have Tune In Radio and my whole collection on the ipad and if i make a purchase on my imac it automatically is downloaded on the ipad.
I would love to see how B&O comes up with their solution. Sometimes I would just like to play CDs even if they are ripped.
I thought I could buy the Essence and essentially *lol* i could retire the PM to the bedroom and have it plugged in to the BS8, but the essence with box is giving me the same as what I currently have as you still need an idevice to use in the essence set up.
First review of the BS Essence from a user that has it connected to his BC9500 (incl ML).
Read about the 'ir-modes' of the 'knob' in everyday-use
http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/9914/88343.aspx#88343
N.B. in danish, so you will probably have to use GoogleTranslate - sorry, I won't translate it for you!
I got Beosound Essence Yesterday, and connected it to a Beocenter 9500 in A-tape 2.
I have BC 9500 as audiomaster in the main room together with a Beogram 9500 and a BV7 mk III as Videomaster. I have 2 linkrooms connected to BC 9500 (MCL) and 2 linkrooms with Beolink Passive (ML).
I can get sound in all linkrooms from Essence througt A-tape 2, and control it with the app and volume with Beo4.
The Essence has a fixed volume settings (Hotel mode) which is set in the Beosetup app. If the volume is fixed, then volume can not be controlled with the wheel on the 'knob' when in bluetooth mode
I played a Little with the IR modes on the 'knob'.
in mode 1,3,5,6 and 7 there is no function at all (yet)
Mode 2 and 4 are very alike. The only difference is, that in mode 4 you can turn on Radio (FM radio) with the 'o' button then the Whole system is off, but if you allready have turned your TV on, then nothing happens if you push 'o'. In mode 2 you will switch to radio (FM) no mather what.
OFF button shuts all sources off. You can go to next channel on your tv or radio or Next track on your cd with < >. Volume can be adjusted on all sources.
In IR modes it is not possible to use the 'knob' to control Essence, this is only done througt the app Beomusic.
Martin