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badgersurf: The tablet like beosound I was told could have a wood back and be able to be used hand held or wall mounted. And again will work with the beomaster 5. But that is all I was told as don't think they knew any more.
The tablet like beosound I was told could have a wood back and be able to be used hand held or wall mounted. And again will work with the beomaster 5. But that is all I was told as don't think they knew any more.
Maybe it is to early to speculate, but if - as you write - the 'new tablet-beo' will work with the BM5, it means that it could/might be used in a ML-setup.
??
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Maybe Roger can give us some info?
Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)
In storage: Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000 (1960s).
Millemissen:Maybe it is to early to speculate, but if - as you write - the 'new tablet-beo' will work with the BM5, it means that it could/might be used in a ML-setup. ?? MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
I don’t see why not. ML is a dead end. The ML/NL convertor is the only bridge for all new products. Just like the 1611 was for AAL to ML, in the old days. But hey, that’s what I think!
A new digital platform sounds more likely to me. It will work with a BM5/BS5, simply because it can act as a regular dlna-server. Just like the Essence, Encore, PlayMaker can pull the media from a BS5. Only nice if you happen to own one.
I don’t see how B&O can continue to sell the BS5, which will soon be a vulnerable product. This tablet thing has to be the successor of the BS5. Without ML…
DoubleU: A new digital platform sounds more likely to me. It will work with a BM5/BS5, simply because it can act as a regular dlna-server. Just like the Essence, Encore, PlayMaker can pull the media from a BS5. Only nice if you happen to own one. I don’t see how B&O can continue to sell the BS5, which will soon be a vulnerable product. This tablet thing has to be the successor of the BS5. Without ML…
You may be right on that one. If what was meant is, that it can draw on the content of the BM5/ the DLNA server, there is nothing more to that.
But what the 'new digital platform' could be/will be, is still to be explained.
The tablet can't be 'a successor of the BS5', because then it would need the BM5 (or a similar device) - the BS5 is nothing but a control panel.
Needless to say the BS5, IS a BM5/BS5 combi. Besides that the BM5 w/o BS5 is very naked.
Let’s face it. The BS5 needs a successor. I hope they can pull off a sound system that integrates with the V1, BV11, Bsys4 and future tv’s. without the use of a NL/ML convertor. The ’transition-years’ from ML to NL has to end some day.
DoubleU: Let’s face it. The BS5 needs a successor. I hope they can pull off a sound system that integrates with the V1, BV11, Bsys4 and future tv’s. without the use of a NL/ML convertor. The ’transition-years’ from ML to NL has to end some day.
i certainly agree on that!
But if the solution (for audio) is DLNA, I'd rather stick to MasterLink.
Millemissen: But if the solution (for audio) is DLNA, I'd rather stick to MasterLink. MM
Perhaps the better solution would have been ML over WISA...
I've always been impressed with ML. Not only does it carry control signals so you can control the audio system from another room, but they wisely went with balanced audio connections. You can run ML a long, long ways with no signal degradation.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Hi Jeff, I agree with you on the ML - it isn't bad at all. And reliable too - I run some of my ML-cables (and even a junction-box) on the outside of my house for years now, without problems.
Those who already have a NL-infrastructure, should keep it....
....at least untill B&O comes up with something 'special' for sound - and people are willing to give up their ML-devices.
You can't use WiSA for MasterLink - it is a very different technology. But - as you already know - there has been a wireless ML for years.
We need an ip-based ML protocol - to let us adress (and use) every device on the network individually.
Raeuber:Masterlink is and was the main reason for me to purchase my B&O equipment. With all these new technologies from B&O (NL, WESA, Beosound Essence) it is NOT possible to realize an audio (and video) multiroom system!
With all these new technologies from B&O (NL, WESA, Beosound Essence) it is NOT possible to realize an audio (and video) multiroom system!
Problem is, Masterlink is and was not capable of handling HD video, required for any modern video distribution.
Something that really surprised me was how many cables that are required to drive my BL18 'wireless' speakers. Cables to the Playmaker, to the Transmitter, four power cables and so on. Two big boxes. Why on earth couldn't they combine the Transmitter, Playmaker/Essence boxes in to one single unit?
moxxey: [Something that really surprised me was how many cables that are required to drive my BL18 'wireless' speakers. Cables to the Playmaker, to the Transmitter, four power cables and so on. Two big boxes. Why on earth couldn't they combine the Transmitter, Playmaker/Essence boxes in to one single unit?
[Something that really surprised me was how many cables that are required to drive my BL18 'wireless' speakers. Cables to the Playmaker, to the Transmitter, four power cables and so on. Two big boxes. Why on earth couldn't they combine the Transmitter, Playmaker/Essence boxes in to one single unit?
Only reason is to keep the price low. PM has the same price as the Transmitter, and PM existed before the Transmitter released.
Essence is the successor of the PM and only twice the price of the Transmitter. Good call from B&O to keep those hide-away-boxes separate for most customers who don't need wireless.
The good side is, both boxes have the exact same dimensions. Just stack them and cable management should be no problem!
moxxey:Problem is, Masterlink is and was not capable of handling HD video, required for any modern video distribution.
"The only remaining feature of B&O is the sound processor in Beovisions, all others you will get also with any TV for 500 EUR.
No need for a Playmaker or an Essence, because an Apple TV or an Airport Express do the streaming job very well"
Two sentences that states, that you seem to have missed what has been going on with B&O the last couple of years. No wonder, because your main concern seems to be to have some "eyecathers in the livingroom'.
Disagreetings MM
I do think this have been mentioned before but correct me if it is wrong. There was something about that Apple do not allow a Airplay receiver to send wireless sound out. So therefore B&O has not been able to do so. Because I agree Moxxey to many power cords optimal would be a essence with and one without wireless transmitter built in. I guess that is not going to happen -_-
Beovision Harmony 77" 2nd Gen, Beolab 5, Beolab 17, Beosound 1, Beoplay M3, Beoplay Portal, Beoplay Earset, Beoliving Intelligence
Millemissen:" The only remaining feature of B&O is the sound processor in Beovisions, all others you will get also with any TV for 500 EUR. No need for a Playmaker or an Essence, because an Apple TV or an Airport Express do the streaming job very well" Two sentences that states, that you seem to have missed what has been going on with B&O the last couple of years. No wonder, because your main concern seems to be to have some "eyecathers in the livingroom'. Disagreetings MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Raeuber: moxxey: Problem is, Masterlink is and was not capable of handling HD video, required for any modern video distribution. That's true, because Masterlink is an analogue system (BTW: Not only for video, but also for audio, means no digital sound via Masterlink). BUT: Many Beovisions have a HDMI-output to connect a beamer. So it might be possible to connect this output with an input of another Beovision in a second room. This way you would get digital audio and video in linkrooms. And there are free pins in HDMI connection for using to send commands between Beovisions (like pin 8 in scart connections). Masterlink was an outstanding feature of B&O, but they gave it up, and that's very poor. The only remaining feature of B&O is the sound processor in Beovisions, all others you will get also with any TV for 500 EUR. B&O tried to give answers to questions nobody have asked: No need for a Playmaker or an Essence, because an Apple TV or an Airport Express do the streaming job very well. And no need for WESA, because as you mentioned you still need so many cables and boxes. My opinion is B&O goes the wrong way, must-have and magic-feeling is gone. In former times you had eyecatchers in your livingroom (and linkrooms via ML), and now you have to hide plastique boxes! Räuber
moxxey: Problem is, Masterlink is and was not capable of handling HD video, required for any modern video distribution.
That's true, because Masterlink is an analogue system (BTW: Not only for video, but also for audio, means no digital sound via Masterlink).
BUT: Many Beovisions have a HDMI-output to connect a beamer. So it might be possible to connect this output with an input of another Beovision in a second room. This way you would get digital audio and video in linkrooms. And there are free pins in HDMI connection for using to send commands between Beovisions (like pin 8 in scart connections).
Masterlink was an outstanding feature of B&O, but they gave it up, and that's very poor. The only remaining feature of B&O is the sound processor in Beovisions, all others you will get also with any TV for 500 EUR.
B&O tried to give answers to questions nobody have asked: No need for a Playmaker or an Essence, because an Apple TV or an Airport Express do the streaming job very well. And no need for WESA, because as you mentioned you still need so many cables and boxes.
My opinion is B&O goes the wrong way, must-have and magic-feeling is gone. In former times you had eyecatchers in your livingroom (and linkrooms via ML), and now you have to hide plastique boxes!
Räuber
I agree. One of the exceptional philosophies of B&O was that their products should not need to be hidden but could rather proudly stand out on their own design. For example, even the attention to detail given to the beovisions made it such that the tv could be in the middle of the room without the concern of exposing an ugly tv backside. I really thought that B&O was onto a great concept with the stackable brushed aluminum components of a BeoSystem 3, DVD2, and HDR2 -- electronic boxes that were so beautiful that they didn't need to be hidden away in a cabinet. That concept was certainly short-lived.
Perhaps someday PeterPan might give us a conceptual illustration of what the BeoSystem 3 might have looked like with a MATCHING BeoMaster 5 and BeoLab Transmitter 1 stacked along with the DVD2 and HDR2. Imagine what that monolith of brushed aluminum would have looked like!
Am downloading the beomusic app for ios from the appstore right now
It seems to support ipad not just iphone but wont do anything withhout detecting an essence on the network
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/beomusic
Checking the screenshots in the iTunes store. We can confirm internetradio is integrated in the app, using TuneIn Radio. Great!
Jup. But it doesnt fire up without the essence beeing present which means when not at home you have to use something else
neither does it seem to integrate spotify which would have been nice.
so your still ending up with a hodge podge of different apps.
one that ends it all would have been nice
The beomedia shows up since that can act as a dlna source
for spotify connect, it will show up inside the spotify app as a target speaker
spotify is releasing a sdk for third party apps but that i undersstand is still beta for ips
Why doesn't it find it? Needs the Essence to be connected to the BM5?
I do understand that, but as you can see on the third picture on Appstore, it do show that it is connected to an BM5.. So my question is, how is this possible?
Normann:I do understand that, but as you can see on the third picture on Appstore, it do show that it is connected to an BM5.. So my question is, how is this possible?
The DLNA part (of the Essence) can connect to the DLNA server on the BM5 - as it can to any other DLNA compatible server.
(We already came to that conclusion in an earlier post.)
No one can 'test' that (well, there are some, that can!) in the app now, because it requires the hide-away-box' to work.
You could call it/the BeoMusic app 'the software-remote for the Essence' - the 'extended knob'
Why that?
Maybe roger will give us some more information about this new tablet.
Thanks to a kind soul - he knows who - I finally 'came across' a/the document with some answers, but still with some open questions.
The interesting thing about how to use the Essence with an (older) BeoMaster however is not well described.
I wonder how a seller will explain that to a potential (existing) costumer, unless he is offered more details before launch.
I think key is the sentence "last available source"
Part of Airplay is to allow basic remote control of the playing device. However ipads and iphone will drop the wifi connection after some time of inactivity.
I do not know exactly what the pattern is but neither my iphone or ipad will automatically connect to the airplay speaker/playmaker.
My macbook on the other hand does it.
The beomusic app obviously connects with the essence but you probably hve to activate/start it after some time of inactivity .
for dlna, spotify connect and internet radio it obviously should work
Raeuber: I would like to connect Essence to A.AUX port of Beosound 9000. Then I listen to a song stored on my IPad via Beomusic app. After this I switch all to standby. Later I press the knob of the Essence and with this "ONE TOUCH" I hear this song via Beolabs connected to BS 9000 (or a Beovision). If this works it would be really magic, but I have doubt at all! And if this "one touch" only works with Beolabs connected directly to Essence, I would like to know how the knob will activate my IPad and Beomusic app!?
I would like to connect Essence to A.AUX port of Beosound 9000. Then I listen to a song stored on my IPad via Beomusic app. After this I switch all to standby. Later I press the knob of the Essence and with this "ONE TOUCH" I hear this song via Beolabs connected to BS 9000 (or a Beovision). If this works it would be really magic, but I have doubt at all!
And if this "one touch" only works with Beolabs connected directly to Essence, I would like to know how the knob will activate my IPad and Beomusic app!?
Just assumptions here, so don't hold it against me, but it would make sense to me!
If you play music stored on your iPad, you won't be using the BeoMusic app. Not certain about this, but if I compare this with the apps for Sonos or Squeezebox you can't do this either. Airplay is what you'll be using then, and not supported for 1-touch access, nor is it supported in the BeoMusic app.
In the first part of the document it says it has one-touch access to music services, internet radio and the BeoMusic app. I see no AirPlay..
- Music services = Spotify. 1-touch will continue the playlist where you stopped last time.
- Internetradio = TuneIn. 1-touch continues the same radio-station where you left last time.
- BeoMusic App = Access to your dlna-server. 1-touch continues the playlist where you left.
The 1-touch button won't start the BeoMusic app on your iPad. It's only a controller for the Essence, not a player. I never saw a device yet, that can open an app on your iPad. If the music plays after the 1-touch, and you start the app later on the iPad, it will only show what's playing, and you have control over the Essence.
Of cource the 1-touch button controlling only work with the 'internal services' of the Essence.
P.S. Nobody interested in the 'A-Aux' issue?
How do you understand what is written about that in the doc?