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BeoGreg: I told my wife that the coming new Tv's price was "only" 7.000 € (+ stand approx. 8.000 € ?). Glad she was allready seated...
I told my wife that the coming new Tv's price was "only" 7.000 € (+ stand approx. 8.000 € ?).
Glad she was allready seated...
What? Was she so joyfully for her mothers day
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Millemissen: My assumption (my guess) - related to the post from Raueber above - is that another version of the 'engine' will be used in the AvantNG than in the BV11.
My assumption (my guess) - related to the post from Raueber above - is that another version of the 'engine' will be used in the AvantNG than in the BV11.
Correct. While the engine is basically remains the same, so far each video product has received it's own revision of the engine board with small enhancements and modifications.
I've heard about a new beo4 to introduce the new avant.The avant will have build-in speakers that slide out.
Millemissen: Moxxey - this is not about telling secrets about the new Avant! This is about how/why/if there are different versions of the 'engine' used in the newer tv's. Nothing new about that - it is just that too few facts about the differences in the versions are known. My assumption (my guess) - related to the post from Raueber above - is that another version of the 'engine' will be used in the AvantNG than in the BV11. MM
Moxxey - this is not about telling secrets about the new Avant!
This is about how/why/if there are different versions of the 'engine' used in the newer tv's.
Nothing new about that - it is just that too few facts about the differences in the versions are known.
MM
I still don't get this secret launch business. It's not as if people are flocking to the shows knocking down the doors all struggling to get tickets from the bouncers on the door. Its a TV for goodness sake not the cure for cancer. A few titbits, clips and pictures should already be out there.
The dealers are duty bound not to say anything, but when you compare a Beovision release to the latest iPhone or Rolls Royce, they seem to go down a completely unique direction.
If anyone from Struer is interested or listening, AVForums.com are desperate to review a Beovision but always get knocked back by B&O. This is perceived as insecurity about the tech, and it's fair to say this leaves a certain amount of resentment about the brand on their site!
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Chris Townsend: I still don't get this secret launch business. It's not as if people are flocking to the shows knocking down the doors all struggling to get tickets from the bouncers on the door. Its a TV for goodness sake not the cure for cancer. A few titbits, clips and pictures should already be out there.
Well, you could also say the same thing about the BL20, also due for launch next week. No-one knows a thing.
I don't really get it, either. My dealer won't even tell me the UK price! I'm just assuming it will be around £6000.
I find it exciting - just like before having sxx
There is a tv - and there is a BV
You've obviously never woken up to a woman with more facial hair than yourself
I agree with you Chris, I'm also a member on avforums and i would love for them to review a b&0 tv. I'm forever defending b&0 as some of the threads really dismiss the brand and only assume that there more style over substance which we all know isn't the case.
and once someone has an opinion the flock of others join the attack and really say some negative things. i for one have owned a lot of av over the years from different brands but there really is something special about b&0.
I think if they let more of there stuff be reviewed it would definitely work in there favour, as a wider audience of people would know how good there audio and visual products really are.
Beoplay A2
There was a thread the other day that i was rounded upon about this very subject. They complain they never get the chance to review a Beovision and that B&O actively stops them doing so!!!! I think they a re just upset they don't get an invite or response from Struer.
Forums like this need a day out in Denmark, it would do more for sales and the brand than all the trendy nights i see populated by folks who look like they couldn't give a toss about the brand. One decent review and you have got the attention of thousands of nerds ready to spend their money. Drives me mad.
av forums is a joke , i was banned there for sending a pm ! lol
another time i got an infraction for claining i had two amplifiers - !?!?!
total dump
as for the secrecy , it's hype , nothing wrong with that
apple have been doing this for years - hasn't hurt them has it ?
avforum is the biggest *** , i was banned to for nothing.
moxxey: Michael: I am also going to the invitation on the 8th of May and I look forward to seeing it! I don't want to believe the rumours that the sound is bad as moxxey seems to think. Bad? I've never heard anything so laughable. "Bad"? Seriously? Where on earth does "bad" come in to this discussion? The audio level is on a par with the BV11 I've been told. The BV11 has excellent audio, made better with a sub. Even better with the addition of satellites. The new Avant will be the same. It will be a step up from the V1's audio capabilities.
Michael: I am also going to the invitation on the 8th of May and I look forward to seeing it! I don't want to believe the rumours that the sound is bad as moxxey seems to think.
I am also going to the invitation on the 8th of May and I look forward to seeing it! I don't want to believe the rumours that the sound is bad as moxxey seems to think.
Bad? I've never heard anything so laughable. "Bad"? Seriously? Where on earth does "bad" come in to this discussion?
The audio level is on a par with the BV11 I've been told. The BV11 has excellent audio, made better with a sub. Even better with the addition of satellites. The new Avant will be the same. It will be a step up from the V1's audio capabilities.
"No, I think I've mentioned at least three times my dealer thought the sound was the weakest part (for want of a much better description) as it's provided via a thin speaker which hides behind the screen when not in use - you can't have amazing sound *and* no cabinet space!"
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Michael: "No, I think I've mentioned at least three times my dealer thought the sound was the weakest part (for want of a much better description) as it's provided via a thin speaker which hides behind the screen when not in use - you can't have amazing sound *and* no cabinet space!"
Michael, that doesn't imply it's "bad". Incredible. I've also repeatedly said it's on a par with the BV11, which has excellent audio capabilities, especially with a sub. Do you even understand what "bad" means?
The fact is simple - if you do not have the cabinet volume, you can't expect audio on the level of the original Avant. Nor the BL7.2/7.6. However, this doesn't define the audio as "bad". It just means do not expect it to match the original Avant.
Raeuber: Millemissen: i spoke to my dealer just a couple of minutes ago. The update has been delayed for a couple of days. Well, if they get it out with the launch of the Avant it should be ok. P.S. Heard rumours about the 'USB-recording' beeing part of an update for all (BSys4-engine based) tv's - that would be great! Can anyone confirm that? MM There is a tv - and there is a BV. Hi MM, such rumours also existed with introduction of BV 10 in 2009, but it never happened at all. Greets Räuber
Millemissen: i spoke to my dealer just a couple of minutes ago. The update has been delayed for a couple of days. Well, if they get it out with the launch of the Avant it should be ok. P.S. Heard rumours about the 'USB-recording' beeing part of an update for all (BSys4-engine based) tv's - that would be great! Can anyone confirm that? MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
i spoke to my dealer just a couple of minutes ago.
The update has been delayed for a couple of days.
Well, if they get it out with the launch of the Avant it should be ok.
P.S. Heard rumours about the 'USB-recording' beeing part of an update for all (BSys4-engine based) tv's - that would be great!
Can anyone confirm that?
There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Hi MM,
such rumours also existed with introduction of BV 10 in 2009, but it never happened at all.
Greets
Räuber
When I bought my V1 and it was completely new with very old firmware, it had instructions on the internal guidance system on how to use the usb recording feature. Then they took that chapter away in a new update. I guess they just have to make it stable enough. No one uses the usb-port for anything else anyway (at least not me!) so it would be great to put a usb disk there.
moxxey: Michael: "No, I think I've mentioned at least three times my dealer thought the sound was the weakest part (for want of a much better description) as it's provided via a thin speaker which hides behind the screen when not in use - you can't have amazing sound *and* no cabinet space!" Michael, that doesn't imply it's "bad". Incredible. I've also repeatedly said it's on a par with the BV11, which has excellent audio capabilities, especially with a sub. Do you even understand what "bad" means? The fact is simple - if you do not have the cabinet volume, you can't expect audio on the level of the original Avant. Nor the BL7.2/7.6. However, this doesn't define the audio as "bad". It just means do not expect it to match the original Avant.
You said that afterwards, yes. If the sound is the weakest part I would say that is a bad thing. Especially for a B&O TV. But I don't believe that it is bad either, I just thought it was interesting that you said "three times" that your dealer remarked about the weakest part - the sound. No need to be angry with me.
I think one factor to keep in mind is the introduction of algorithms in the system 4 chassis. Even when the speaker has a thinner cabinet,
the technology allows for a more 'full' sound because of digital manipulation of the audio that is broadcast.
I currently have several B&O televisions (7 [with 7.2],8,9,10,4 [with 7.4] ,v1) the best sounding, IMO, is the beovision 9 (for true one channel).
However, I recently added two v1 televisions to the mix and the sound from the 40 both for TV and music is very good IMO.
I use it in the master bath and it, to me, is better than the sound of the beolab 3500 which it replaced.
Again, having some insight here, I think that the volume production and power of the new avant's speakers, coupled with
the new algorithm application will surprise the masses. Some among us seem to be discouraged by every product that is
released to market.
As for the new speaker, the new BL9, I can't imagine they change it much. Frankly, at the price point, what else could a
consumer ask for? (I realize that some of you will disagree with that, but when evaluated against B&W or Wilson and amplification, these are a bargain)
I guess the third product is the new remote. I think that will be a cool addition to my collection. I am told I should not order 10 and replace
my Beo 4s though. Maybe it will take some getting acquainted with? I also need to retract that it is a new Beolink 7000. Apparently that is
not the case based upon what I now know.
I think the reveal will be a hit, and at the price point of the Avant, I anticipate it gets some market share back for B&O in the television arena. Look forward to some new 'magic' from B&O.
I refuse to judge a tv, that I haven't seen or heard (!) yet.
Calm down guys - it's only a couple of day untill it is launched and in the shops.
Untill then maybe (re)read some of the articles that Geoff Martin wrote about speakers and sound on his blog.
You might start with this one.
Much has changed since the glory days of the first Avant.
Chris Townsend: You've obviously never woken up to a woman with more facial hair than yourself
We used to call that coyote ugly, if you woke up and she was laying on your arm you'd chew your arm off rather than wake her up. I had a buddy back when I was single that when we went bar hopping would look around the room, point out some woman and say "Jeff, when that looks good to me make me go home."
The whole subject about reviews is interesting. B&O has traditionally not even advertised in audio mags, not for decades, rather they show up in things like Architectural Digest, Dwell, etc. I do have a review from Stereo Review or Audio when the BL8000 was first introduced though.
And I've seen Beovision reviews, and the odd Beolab review and such online. Would reviews really help? Depends on the reviewer, too many will always qualify any positive statement about a B&O product with qualifiers like "you can get as good for less" or "some people consider them just a pretty face." Mostly no matter how positive the review is the overall impression is left to be not good. It's like they have to pick some nit to keep their audiophile credentials in place.
I also don't fully understand why people are so wigged out by the secrecy...that's very common in tech companies. Apple for instance will go to great lengths and legal means to crack down on any leaks. I understand wanting to know what's up as you get excited by an upcoming product launch, but companies pay a lot of money to setup a product launch and don't want it to fizzle if everyone gets the info beforehand. I also don't understand how negative people here can be at times before they even know what the product is capable of doing. Everyone seems to make up ideas about what it will and won't do before they even see it!
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Severian:We used to call that coyote ugly, if you woke up and she was laying on your arm you'd chew your arm off rather than wake her up. I had a buddy back when I was single that when we went bar hopping would look around the room, point out some woman and say "Jeff, when that looks good to me make me go home." The whole subject about reviews is interesting. B&O has traditionally not even advertised in audio mags, not for decades, rather they show up in things like Architectural Digest, Dwell, etc. I do have a review from Stereo Review or Audio when the BL8000 was first introduced though. And I've seen Beovision reviews, and the odd Beolab review and such online. Would reviews really help? Depends on the reviewer, too many will always qualify any positive statement about a B&O product with qualifiers like "you can get as good for less" or "some people consider them just a pretty face." Mostly no matter how positive the review is the overall impression is left to be not good. It's like they have to pick some nit to keep their audiophile credentials in place. I also don't fully understand why people are so wigged out by the secrecy...that's very common in tech companies. Apple for instance will go to great lengths and legal means to crack down on any leaks. I understand wanting to know what's up as you get excited by an upcoming product launch, but companies pay a lot of money to setup a product launch and don't want it to fizzle if everyone gets the info beforehand. I also don't understand how negative people here can be at times before they even know what the product is capable of doing. Everyone seems to make up ideas about what it will and won't do before they even see it! Jeff Beosound 9000, Beolab 8000, Beogram 3000 w/MMC2, CX50, P30, Beovox 3000, Beocord 3300, Beocord 2000, AV7000, Beolab 2000', Beolink Passive, Beo5 and Beo4s, Beolab 6000, H6, Form 2, Beolink Wireless, Beotime
mjmedlo:I currently have several B&O televisions (7 [with 7.2],8,9,10,4 [with 7.4] ,v1) the best sounding, IMO, is the beovision 9 (for true one channel).
Given your extensive collection (how many homes & rooms do you have !) I was wondering how you would rate your BVs on Raeuber's scale:
If I would make a sound rating from 1 to 10 points I would say the following: ordinary flatscreen (Samsung): 1 BV 10-40: 3 BV 11-46: 4 old Avant: 6 Beolab 10 and 7: 10 I don't expect for the new Avant a higher rating than 5. Because BL 7 and 10 were discontinued B&O has no more highend center speaker available. This is very sad.
If I would make a sound rating from 1 to 10 points I would say the following:
Beolab 10 and 7: 10
I don't expect for the new Avant a higher rating than 5.
Because BL 7 and 10 were discontinued B&O has no more highend center speaker available. This is very sad.
BeoNut since '75
elephant:Given your extensive collection (how many homes & rooms do you have !) I was wondering how you would rate your BVs on Raeuber's scale: The Essence of B&O is discretion in design and life
mjmedlo: I think one factor to keep in mind is the introduction of algorithms in the system 4 chassis. Even when the speaker has a thinner cabinet, the technology allows for a more 'full' sound because of digital manipulation of the audio that is broadcast.
So true! Look how much improvement there was from BL8000 to BL18. Same amount of speakers inside with the same diameter, same cabinet volume. Geoff Martin and his crew did an incredible job, making the old iconic BL8000 degrading to a very average sounding speaker, imo.
mjmedlo: elephant: Given your extensive collection (how many homes & rooms do you have !) I was wondering how you would rate your BVs on Raeuber's scale: The Essence of B&O is discretion in design and life Bv1 32 master closet: 4 Bv1 40 master bath: 6 Bv10-46 master bed:5 Bv 9 office: 9 Bv7 7.2: 7 Bv10-40 guest bed: 5 Bv8-32 also office (used as computer monitor): 7 Bv 4 7.4 theater 8 (as a true center) for music 5
elephant: Given your extensive collection (how many homes & rooms do you have !) I was wondering how you would rate your BVs on Raeuber's scale: The Essence of B&O is discretion in design and life
The Essence of B&O is discretion in design and life
Bv1 32 master closet: 4
Bv1 40 master bath: 6
Bv10-46 master bed:5
Bv 9 office: 9
Bv7 7.2: 7
Bv10-40 guest bed: 5
Bv8-32 also office (used as computer monitor): 7
Bv 4 7.4 theater 8 (as a true center) for music 5
Wow & thank you !
Glad you rate the BV8-32 as highly as you do ...
The new remote
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Hi
As I have some close relations to people associated with B&O, I also have a bit of information - parts of which I can't mention here so asking me will not get you anything - sorry.
The new TV:
People are working extremely hard at the moment to get the TV ready for the launch even, and from what I can gather it sounds as they are working 24/7 in all parts of their organisation.
I do expect some flaws when the TV comes out, but since the birth of their new platform some years aog, I'm not that worried as I can just update it from Internet. Same with cars, I never buy the first one out :)
Netflix - still a no-go, apparantly some hardware not supporting it, and that's the reason why V1 and BV11 hasn't got it either. This is not something which can be fixed in software. I use apple tv anyways, so personally I don't bother.
UHD panel - check, I can't wait to see how B&O implemented this and I of course do expect a lot of their picture performance. Unfortunately they didn't have an UHD player yet, where I saw it, so can't tell anything about the picture.
Sound performance, is at level or better than from what we know from BV11, I don't know much about it in detail, but it will not be a problem to play loud and clear. From the short demonstation I had, it was performing brilliant.
Speaker has some very exciting movable elements. This also affects the thickness of the panel, but there's more volume for speaker cabinet - finally something is moving on their products again, it's great and I like it.
Will be launched with floor stand. I have heard about wall bracket and table stand too, but those could be a bit delayed.
The new remote:
I have had the chance to see this in person and try it out a bit.
Same form factor as Beo4, but lighter and thinner and with a multiple line display, think it's OLED, he couldn't tell.
Beo4 looks old in comparison, and I suspect that it will take a bit of time getting used to, I kind of liked it with the few minutes I had with it :)
It's possible to use with old B&O products as well - so my old beolab 3500 will still be controllable with it :)
It's not a two way remote :( - but again, why would I need the display to state that I'm watching TV, I already know that by looking at the TV screen.
All in all I'm very excited for the event next week, and yes, I have an invitation for the event and high expectations - I just hope they can deliver what I expect from a B&O product. I'm in the market for it, but I have no confirmed price on it yet, perhaps other people here knows that?
/BB
And the new beopad?
any news about that..
If you are asking me, then I don't know much concrete about it - mostly rumors - and I will restrain from doing any speculations on things i'm not entirely sure of
Updated price list for Bang & Olufsen as of May 1st 2014.
http://www.beoherning.dk/app/webroot/uploads/Vejl.%20prisliste.pdf
Both the new Beovision Avant 55" (with BeoRemote One) and the new Beolab 20 speaker is in there.
It will be interesting to see if the TV comes as standard with DVB-T DVB-C & 2 x DVB-S2 as most top end Samsung TVs do. I really don't see why I should be expected to shell out another 400 euros just for a DVB-S satellite board....
@BeoGreg - Considering it's now a 55" screen compared to the BV11 46" plus the fact that the Avant has a 4K display compared to the BV11 Full HD display I think B&O is pushing the price in the right direction.
But would be nice to see an updated BV11 with 4K soon, and still with the "tv trade-in campaign" discount.
@BeoBoy68 - I too loved the design of the Beovision 12. I really hope they bring it back with a 4K display and in some years 4K OLED.
NO ,look at list prices, I think the cost is avant 65990 ddl plus beosystem 4 27995 ddk plus :(
Thanks a lot for that information :)
to my knowledge it has dual DVB-T/C/S/S2 - and possible to record to USB drive
@Claudiu
Hopefully the Avant uses the same engine as the BV11 and doesn't need the BS4. We'll just have to wait and see.
@BeoBoy68
Yes and in my opinion the BV12 is the best looking tv B&O ever made.