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Last night I visited the Winchester B&O store to see their presentation of the new AVANT which was fantastic and as you would expect I was also very interested in the new BeoRemote One..
I was very impressed with both products and love the way the table stand works and also the floor stand with its double counter rotation mode where the TV can turn in the opposite direction to the screen which move the screen out or in the distance of the diameter of the stand base. This means the TV can be close to the wall, but when it turns it moves away from the wall to allow for a complete turn left or right without hitting the rear wall.
In my view the BeoRemote One will sell like hot cakes because like the Beo4 it is easy to use. It still has the LIST button, but the display scrolls through the commands smoothly. It can be used with old B&O products for all the basic functions.
The following are the key features of the new BeoVision AVANT:-
Regards Keith....
The recommended price of the new BeoVision AVANT in the UK is £5,995 including VAT
The recommended price of the BeoRemote One in the UK is £225 including VAT, but currently only available when you buy the TV. Apparently you will be able to buy it separately in about a months time.
Attached is the first version of the new AVANT User Manual
PhilLondon: No Light button?
No Light button?
The light button is in the LIST
Please find attached the User Manual for the BeoRemote One
What is the price of the different stand options please?
Looking at the various reviews now appearing online the Avant is an out and out winner.
Latest specs ahead of the competition, the moving stands/ hinges providing the wow factor, and for most reviewers it seems that they cannot believe the price (in B&O terms!) notwithstanding the fact that it is still expensive relative to run of the mill TV's.
So will the Avant plus the WiSA speaker systems finally give B&O the financial lift that it needs?
Graham
vikinger:So will the Avant plus the WiSA speaker systems finally give B&O the financial lift that it needs?
Hopefully... if they can only produce enough to satisfy the demand while the advantage lasts. This is the turnside of pricing the products so that they will sell more. If they run out of production capacity, rectifying that would need large investments again. I suspect that is one of the reasons why so many products have been discontinued lately.
--mika
If you can get the grille in black I'm sold.
Amazing spec and amazing vfm
If I was Loewe I'd be VERY worried by this tv and the direction bno are going , in many ways the top end Sony's and Samedung's are finished too.
Who on earth would buy a boring sony instead of this ?
Flappo: If you can get the grille in black I'm sold.
I was told that B&O won't be bringing out any colour options from this release onwards. No dark grey's, white etc alternatives :(
Looks like we'll be stuck with the grill. But I can live with it, I think. Let's be fair, the TV is off for 80% of the day and, when off, the panel looks awesome. Like a BV12 on a floor stand.
I'd have mine on all day , use it as a monitor for my new black mac pro etc , gaming with a ps4 ( might even watch the tv occasionally ) , this thing is blooming amazing , wish I'd waited now , makes the bv11 look almost stone age
Maybe I'll just stick a black apple logo over the grille :)
Keith_5F00_Saunders:6 x HDMI inputs (1-5 UHD)
If not STBbrackets can figure something our regarding the grill color?
Raeuber: No, only HDMI 1 input can be used for UHD. And this with restrictions: No 3D, no Picture in Picture, no recordings from UHD sources, no Volume feedback... And if it's possible to receive UHD TV channels in future, you can't use the internal receiver (it's only a HD module), means you have to connect an external settop box to HDMI 1. And then you cannot connect any more UHD source to the Avant.
No, only HDMI 1 input can be used for UHD. And this with restrictions: No 3D, no Picture in Picture, no recordings from UHD sources, no Volume feedback...
And if it's possible to receive UHD TV channels in future, you can't use the internal receiver (it's only a HD module), means you have to connect an external settop box to HDMI 1. And then you cannot connect any more UHD source to the Avant.
Does not sound very future proof then...
Let's wait for a mkII.
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crossbytje: Raeuber: No, only HDMI 1 input can be used for UHD. And this with restrictions: No 3D, no Picture in Picture, no recordings from UHD sources, no Volume feedback... And if it's possible to receive UHD TV channels in future, you can't use the internal receiver (it's only a HD module), means you have to connect an external settop box to HDMI 1. And then you cannot connect any more UHD source to the Avant. Does not sound very future proof then... Let's wait for a mkII.
UHD HDMI 1-5, not HDMI 6. Recordings is from the internal DVB-module. What do you mean about no volume feedback? Of course there is no UHD-tv receiver in it since it does not exist. I think Full HD is enough for most by the way.
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mibook84:UHD HDMI 1-5, not HDMI 6. Recordings is from the internal DVB-module. What do you mean about no volume feedback? Of course there is no UHD-tv receiver in it since it does not exist. I think Full HD is enough for most by the way.
A big shame it misses the new HEVC H265 codec. This is the base for all UHD broadcasts, including Netflix in 4K.
How is it possible if Bang & Olufsen launches a 4K television in 2014, that HDMI 2.0 and H265 is not included !!!
Schuifschoen: A big shame it misses the new HEVC H265 codec. This is the base for all UHD broadcasts, including Netflix in 4K. How is it possible if Bang & Olufsen launches a 4K television in 2014, that HDMI 2.0 and H265 is not included !!!
According to FlatpanelsHD HDMI 2.0 is a software update that is coming. And I agree that the lack of HEVC is bad but you can get 4K content on the screen from other sources. Netflix is not integrated because of the costs Netflix wanted (or so I was told) and I guess a new Apple TV will take care of that problem. Perhaps HEVC can be added too, who knows? For my part I bought it because it is an interesting TV and I wanted something different. It is 4K resolution and that is cool but I don't believe we will see too much 4K content very soon. I just hope it can scale SD and HD in a good way. It was hard to take a serious look at that during the launch. By the way, the grey grille in the front. I did not like it at first, it made me think Bose SoundWave but I kind of like it more and more. Perhaps it can be removed and anodized in black? That would be a little more discrete I think. The frame around is still silver and very nice.
Schuifschoen:A big shame it misses the new HEVC H265 codec. This is the base for all UHD broadcasts, including Netflix in 4K. How is it possible if Bang & Olufsen launches a 4K television in 2014, that HDMI 2.0 and H265 is not included !!!
Yes it is true. The Beovision Avant 4K misses HEVC H265 and HDMI 2.0.
If you look at the specification, you will notice.
BeoGreg:Forgot one thing, it´s 128, 3 cms wide. I have to refurbish my room completely.
I have to refurbish my room completely.
I would have to move house, while I except that B and O are going to make what they can sell best 46 is the most I could live with.
Schuifschoen:Yes it is true. The Beovision Avant 4K misses HEVC H265 and HDMI 2.0. If you look at the specification, you will notice.
From the specs on 'my' site I read it different:
5 UHD-compatible HDMI's (which can only be done with HDMI 2.0)
The one HDMI on the top is not UHD-compatible - you probably wouldn't need that for that one anway!
That is also what my dealer told us yesterday evening.
N.B. If not, how would they have been able to demo UHD material from a UHD player (which by the way was hidden in the back of the Avant).
It might be that by now one one of the HDMI's (HDMI1) is 2.0 enabled (?). As of today there is not much 4K material to show, and the HDMI 2.0 specification has only just been released.
I don't worry - these things will surely be done/enabled in a (or more) future SW-update(s).
P.S All BV7-owners best get rid of their old gear now - the BV of today and of tomorrow has arrived!
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
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The main connections available are:-
IR CONTROL OUTPUTS (PUC)6 x (3 x RJ45, two outputs in each) ANALOGUE VIDEO CONNECTIONS1 x mini AV input (RGB FB or CVBS and one way AVL) PAL, SECAM, NTSC USB2 x USB connector 5V DC/500 mA ETHERNET1 x Ethernet RJ45 10/100 Mbit/s DIGITAL VIDEO CONNECTIONS6 x HDMI free configurable (one HDMI is located at the easy access, not UHD compatible) DIGITAL SOUND CONNECTIONS1 x RCA SPDIF, free configurable LOUDSPEAKER OUTPUTS5 x RJ45 Power Link, allowing up to 10 BeoLab speakers
Maab:Two early questions for the people in the know: - -can the speakers be used as a dedicated center channel for a separate surround system (bl5s would be standing on the sides)?
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-can the speakers be used as a dedicated center channel for a separate surround system (bl5s would be standing on the sides)?
if you want that, then you just configure the speaker to be so.
In fact you could - i you want to - make a very slim setup making the 'center' a center, the 'fronts' right/left speakers and add a couple of (small) surround speakers. Voila!
Lots of configuration opportunities in fact!
People just hear about new technologies and want them directly in their living room.
The fact is that there isn't ANY TV nor ANY set top box / media player that supports the HEVC codec on the market currently. The first products are awaited for december, and it will be only a few niche products (like Dune).
Saying that this beovision is outdated because it doesn't support HEVC is just showing a complete misunderstanding of current tech.
If you buy a UHD TV in 2014, may it be a B&O, a Samsung, a Sony or anything, you have nothing to feed it with UHD content appart from a computer.
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Raeuber: Schuifschoen: A big shame it misses the new HEVC H265 codec. This is the base for all UHD broadcasts, including Netflix in 4K. How is it possible if Bang & Olufsen launches a 4K television in 2014, that HDMI 2.0 and H265 is not included !!! If this is really true, the new Avant is outdated from the beginning!!!
For some it will never be enough.
First the 4K question, it is. Now not enough codecs?
I am curious if you're able notice the difference between a full HD BluRay and a (lossy) H265 codec.
My mediaplayer plays 4K mediafiles over hdmi 1, so when do you need hdmi 2 while there isn't ant streaming content at the moment or in the near future.
Broadcasting/streaming content in 1080p isn't available yet due is bandwidth it needs. So what about a bigger res like 4K?
Managed to get to my local dealer at lunch. Saw the new Avant and BL20s.
My opinions of the new Avant:
- Looks better in person. Looks like a BV12 on a floor stand, when the speaker is up. Really love the stand, too.- Design is rather 'formal'. Black, silver. I think I've moved on since owning the BV10/BV11. I quite like...colour.- Less keen on the speaker, but could live with this- Picture quality was superb for upscaled Blu-ray. Didn't see any UHD content. HD seemed good. SD very blocky.- Audio wasn't as good as my BV11/BL11 combo. Sounded more like a BL7.4 centre speaker to me.
Would I get one? Yes, but definitely not in the short-term.
I definitely want the new remote though.
BL20s look stunning. Didn't get to hear them, due to a lack of time at lunch, but they look great.
Beobuddy:For some it will never be enough. First the 4K question, it is. Now not enough codecs? I am curious if you're able notice the difference between a full HD BluRay and a (lossy) H265 codec. My mediaplayer plays 4K mediafiles over hdmi 1, so when do you need hdmi 2 while there isn't ant streaming content at the moment or in the near future. Broadcasting/streaming content in 1080p isn't available yet due is bandwidth it needs. So what about a bigger res like 4K?
I took the remote apart (you just need a pin to "unlock" it. The aluminium is made of one CNC machined piece, much like Apple makes their products. The batteries are AAA and sits under the remote electronics. Genial design and no more broken battery doors! It looks like a small piezo speaker might be on the electronics so perhaps it can make sounds too(?!).Heres a comparison between the Beo 4 and the BeoRemote One (I wonder if one can still mute the sound by pressing the middle of the volume buttons):I like the "V" shapes that is on both the BeoRemote One (the bent shape) and The BeoVision Avant 55" (can be seen both on the sides and on the eye/led on the top corner etc). The aluminium on the V-shaped edges around the Avant makes me think of the Penta-speakers. I think they might go well together actually. The back is also very nicely designed with sliding metal panels. Note that a black panel is removed here to reveal more connectors. The back is more elegant than BV11 and other TV´s because there are no small panels just the two silver panels and the black one. It looks really good so it can easily be placed in the middle of a room.
Nice pictures, all I can say is, we want more!
The floor plate does look huge, what is the diameter?
crossbytje: Nice pictures, all I can say is, we want more! The floor plate does look huge, what is the diameter?
Thanks! I am not sure but it might be 58,5 cm? Look here. Two more pictures:Beovision Avant 55" with Beolab 18 in black (looks really good together!) and Beolab 19. BeoRemote One in action:
In this light, the center speaker looks much darker. It really improves the overall look!
crossbytje:In this light, the center speaker looks much darker. It really improves the overall look!