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This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
elephant: KMA: in the meanwhile B&O can churn some extra BeoRemote Ones for retail yes ... and I even tried buying one on Saturday - but they had no part number by which to order (should be a shelf item !) I like it, but I wish it was as "solid" i.e. heavy / hefty as the Beo4 SWMBO is concerned she won't find the right buttons in the dark ....
KMA: in the meanwhile B&O can churn some extra BeoRemote Ones for retail
yes ... and I even tried buying one on Saturday - but they had no part number by which to order
(should be a shelf item !)
I like it, but I wish it was as "solid" i.e. heavy / hefty as the Beo4
SWMBO is concerned she won't find the right buttons in the dark ....
When I looked at the new remote I am sure the display lit up in the dark so you can see what you are doing. It was during the day but I seem to recall a light on the display.
As for different versions, I have also heard there will be 3 types; chrome, steel and white, the latter of which I am unsure about the material.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
Flappo: So Moxxey's having second thoughts ? Looks like I was proven right after all
So Moxxey's having second thoughts ?
Looks like I was proven right after all
I'd hardly go that far, Flappo. It's very easy to sit on the sidelines passing negative comments (you did a hell of lot of that before buying your BV11, I'll point out, but now it's the best thing you've every bought, apparently...). The primary reason for buying the Avant was the exceptionally good trade-in for my MK1 BV11-46. A trade-in value I'd never receive a year from now.
I'm having doubts about the production process, not the TV. Somewhat disillusioned with B&O's manufacturing efforts, rather than the physical TV, design or panel. All your issues revolved around the 'value of 4K', which was a relatively pointless argument in my eyes. I never even consider an Avant for 4K as there's nothing to watch.
And I'm not sure I'd say the BV11 was 'rock solid', BeoGreg. Still suffers from backlighting issues in a dark room, has issues with HDCP with the Apple TV (screen will often go black and you can't get the Apple TV back) and there are still the occasional production smear marks behind the BV11 contrast glass, too.
The remote is very easy to use, but I miss the weight of the Beolink 1000/Beo4.
The only thing I don´t like is the sharp unpolished surface round the small hole on the backside. This is where you press a small pin to open the remote for battery change (like a sim card on an iPhone). If you drag your fingers on the backside of the remote you feel this. I know there a bigger problems in the world, but they could have polished it one more time after drilling the hole.
Michael:Came home today and my tv is driving me INSANE! It's only one thing that is bothering me now but it is so f-----g annoying. The backlight level switches all the time. Not softly but from perhaps 60% to 45% and then back. It goes bright and drops to darker just like that after a few moments and then back again after some time. This continues the whole time. I'm in a dimmed room and the software seem to have a lot of trouble understanding this. My V1 works as usually very good in the bedroom in this kind of light. I have paused now on Silicon Valley episode 1 at 16 minutes in where the "geeks" are walking and they zoom in on them and a bright walkway. There you clearly see how it adjust the light differently about every 10-30 seconds. Make up your mind stupid software.
The backlight level switches all the time. Not softly but from perhaps 60% to 45% and then back. It goes bright and drops to darker just like that after a few moments and then back again after some time. This continues the whole time.
I'm in a dimmed room and the software seem to have a lot of trouble understanding this. My V1 works as usually very good in the bedroom in this kind of light.
I have paused now on Silicon Valley episode 1 at 16 minutes in where the "geeks" are walking and they zoom in on them and a bright walkway. There you clearly see how it adjust the light differently about every 10-30 seconds. Make up your mind stupid software.
I am having the exact same problem on the BeoVision 11 so this must be a BeoSystem 4 related problem. I have noticed this before but I think it has grown even worse by the last update. The problem is especially apparent when using Netflix. I find it very hard to enjoy whatever I am watching because I am annoyed by the constantly flickering contrast. The problem is even provoked by subtitles! When no subtitles are displayed during a scene with no speech, the contrast adjusting sets in only to be changed the second after because the subtitles re-appear. This can be veeeeery annoying when subtitles pop in and out frequently during conversations... I really wish they made the option for turning adaptive contrast off or that they made the transition more smooth.
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May as well use the iPad app then.
Re the 4k trade in , personally I'd rather have a tv that shows current programming at its best than one that theoretically may , if they ever actually update it properly , cope with transmissions of a format that hasn't even been ratified completely by the broadcasters. Talk about blind faith !
moxxey:has issues with HDCP with the Apple TV (screen will often go black and you can't get the Apple TV back)
KMA
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I don't have any problems with it , although I have turned most of the video gimmicks off and lowered all the settings . The corners have that slight problem inherent with edge lit panels but apart from that the picture is superb.
For people who do have issues with the adaptive backlight settings, there is a way to set its intensity and even to turn it off, from the Customer Service settings.
Press MENU, go to SETUP (open the setup main menu), press RED and OK on your remote.
The Customer Service Menu opens.
From here (see the attached pictures), open PICTURE ADJUSTMENTS, and you’ll see the backlight settings. On my BV11, they are BACKLIGHT DIMMING 3 and MAX BACKLIGHT 255.
Go on BACKLIGHT DIMMING and press the > key (click the navigation button to right). You can select the desired level of backlight dimming or switch it OFF completely.
I cannot encounter the adaptive backlight problems mentioned here with my default settings for the backlight. I watched half a season of Dexter last night, and even though the sun doesn’t really set in this part of the world at this time of the year (I cannot get my living room completely dark if I wanted to), I couldn’t notice any backlight fluctuation with the window shades closed, i.e. in dim viewing conditions.
If you experiment with your backlight settings, make note of the default values. You can switch back to them at any time. Just follow the steps above.
Customer Service settings are safe to use. Using them has no effect on the warranty of your TV, nor can you mess your BV up, as you aren’t messing with any factory settings or calibration settings. Factory settings are not accessible on Bsys4 based Beovisions, except with the service tools that are only available to B&O service personnel.
While changing the backlight dimming level or turning it OFF may not be how B&O intended the picture to perform, perhaps this provides an interim solution for those who have bad issues with the backlight, while B&O (hopefully) makes the adaptive backlight algorithm more subtle in a future software update.
That's brilliant !
Thx KMA !!!!
Flappo:That's brilliant ! Thx KMA !!!!
I can attest that on my BV11-55 I have intermittent HDCP Apple TV error messages come up which usually are fixed by pulling out the HDMI cable and plugging it back it. Turning the Apple TV off and on does not fix it, so I guess there's some sort of HDMI recognition/communication error???
KMA: I'm sure that you have checked your cabling, Moxxey, but have you tried another Apple TV?
I'm sure that you have checked your cabling, Moxxey, but have you tried another Apple TV?
It's definitely a BV11 issue. Chris Townsend experienced similar issues, the Apple TV worked flawlessly on the BV10-46 (prior to the BV11-46), I've already replaced the HDMI cable once and even swapped the Apple TV with the BV10-32 in the kitchen. After the swap, the BV11 Apple TV worked flawlessly on the BV10-32 and the previous flawless BV10-32 Apple TV experienced those intermittent black/refresh on the BV11!
But, the Sky HD box sometimes (but far more rarely) does the same thing negotiating with the BV11 when watching Sky movies. Must be a HDCP issue with the BV11.
This is why I chuckle when people tell me the "BV11 is rock solid". Nope, just about every B&O TV I've purchased (apart from the BV10-32!) has had issues since I bought my first B&O BV7-32 in 2004. MK-1 or otherwise, issues persist. And most of our TV issues are generally software-related which are fixed over time, which is why this "don't buy a MK1" is based on heresay rather than practice.
I had fewer issues with the BV10-46 than the BV11-46 and my BV10-32 is flaw-free.
shoutj74: I can attest that on my BV11-55 I have intermittent HDCP Apple TV error messages come up which usually are fixed by pulling out the HDMI cable and plugging it back it. Turning the Apple TV off and on does not fix it, so I guess there's some sort of HDMI recognition/communication error???
I've noticed over the years that HDMI standards and implementations are a long way from being perfect and reliable. Sometimes things are fixed by firmware updates, often I've seen odd intermittent problems like this. Sometimes due to bad cables, sometimes not seated well (not a big fan of the connector chosen), sometimes just a mystery.
Every now and then, both my cable boxes would suddenly give me a black/white changing screen, no audio. Sometimes rarely, sometimes several times in a row so as to make TV unwatchable. Never figured out why, it just suddenly stopped after a major firmware change was pushed out for the cable boxes (Motorola HD-DVR boxes).
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
moxxey:It's definitely a BV11 issue. Chris Townsend experienced similar issues, the Apple TV worked flawlessly on the BV10-46 (prior to the BV11-46), I've already replaced the HDMI cable once and even swapped the Apple TV with the BV10-32 in the kitchen. After the swap, the BV11 Apple TV worked flawlessly on the BV10-32 and the previous flawless BV10-32 Apple TV experienced those intermittent black/refresh on the BV11!
moxxey:But, the Sky HD box sometimes (but far more rarely) does the same thing negotiating with the BV11 when watching Sky movies. Must be a HDCP issue with the BV11.
I agree with KMA , I've had plenty of issues with several appletv's but my bv11 has been amazingly reliable , better than the crappy sky hd box that's attached to it LOL
Best Tv they've made since the avant imo.
Not that crappy new avant , the old one
Flappo:Not that crappy new avant , the old one
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I'm sure by mk2/3 it will be grate™
By then we'll have some 4k to watch on it , hopefully ( sky reckon by 2015/16-ish )
http://www.stuff.tv/sky/project-ethan-revamp-will-transform-sky-s-set-top-box-service/news
As long as you have fun with it , go for it , you only live twice after all
Personally I think it's a complete waste of time and money
But if you're happy with it , that's fine by me.
Flappo:I'm sure by mk2/3 it will be grate™ By then we'll have some 4k to watch on it , hopefully ( sky reckon by 2015/16-ish ) http://www.stuff.tv/sky/project-ethan-revamp-will-transform-sky-s-set-top-box-service/news As long as you have fun with it , go for it , you only live twice after all Personally I think it's a complete waste of time and money But if you're happy with it , that's fine by me.
Michael: I would not call it crappy. There has been a few production problems but I love the design, the sound and the picture. The remote, the way the stand moves and how it all works is things I really do enjoy and I love the set. Since I expect to have this set at least a few years I am happy that it does support 4K. I am curious about new technology and it scales older stuff very good. Yesterday me and a friend watched a movie from the 80's and it looked really really good! The problems I have had so far is: Stand plate not completely flush (production error) Dust/prints on glass inside (production error - and obviously common on older models too) Light sensor software making very strange choices sometimes (early software I hope) No interface on 4K (B&O promise update that brings this and hdmi 2.0 in the summer, I have talked with them). I know I can't make flappo say anything positive about the new set but that's the reality. It's a really nice tv and of course there is a few problems in the beginning as usual. I have a five year warranty so I feel safe. I am only using the built in speakers at the moment and I am almost considering to not have any other front speakers and only back (if even that). The bass is really good and a subwoofer would add but perhaps not necessary. Have to use it as it is a little more. The sound from the built in speakers are quite amazing I think. I can't compare to bl 7.6 since I don't have them but I can not complain. With the thin speakers this set has it is amazing how much sound it produces.
I would not call it crappy. There has been a few production problems but I love the design, the sound and the picture. The remote, the way the stand moves and how it all works is things I really do enjoy and I love the set.
Since I expect to have this set at least a few years I am happy that it does support 4K. I am curious about new technology and it scales older stuff very good. Yesterday me and a friend watched a movie from the 80's and it looked really really good!
The problems I have had so far is:
Stand plate not completely flush (production error)
Dust/prints on glass inside (production error - and obviously common on older models too)
Light sensor software making very strange choices sometimes (early software I hope)
No interface on 4K (B&O promise update that brings this and hdmi 2.0 in the summer, I have talked with them).
I know I can't make flappo say anything positive about the new set but that's the reality. It's a really nice tv and of course there is a few problems in the beginning as usual. I have a five year warranty so I feel safe.
I am only using the built in speakers at the moment and I am almost considering to not have any other front speakers and only back (if even that). The bass is really good and a subwoofer would add but perhaps not necessary. Have to use it as it is a little more.
The sound from the built in speakers are quite amazing I think. I can't compare to bl 7.6 since I don't have them but I can not complain. With the thin speakers this set has it is amazing how much sound it produces.
You lit my fire of wanting one again!
Looking forward to B&O sorting out the production issues and rolling out the software update.
After that, and maybe having waited for FlatpanelsHD's or a local tech magazine's test confirming the Avant's excellence, I'll finally get the BeoRemote One — and the TV as a nice accessory for it
KMA: moxxey: But, the Sky HD box sometimes (but far more rarely) does the same thing negotiating with the BV11 when watching Sky movies. Must be a HDCP issue with the BV11. This brought up another question: why are you using a Sky HD box and not the TV's built-in tuner? Is the BV itself unable to show Sky's HD channels? At least in Finland the built-in tuner shows all free and paid HD channels subscribed from the cable service provider – of cource with the appropriate CI+ card reader & card.
moxxey: But, the Sky HD box sometimes (but far more rarely) does the same thing negotiating with the BV11 when watching Sky movies. Must be a HDCP issue with the BV11.
This brought up another question: why are you using a Sky HD box and not the TV's built-in tuner? Is the BV itself unable to show Sky's HD channels?
At least in Finland the built-in tuner shows all free and paid HD channels subscribed from the cable service provider – of cource with the appropriate CI+ card reader & card.
Does anyone know if this is possible? To use the B&O built in tuner to scan in channels from a Sky HD box? This would be amazing as I personally hate Sky's bloated interface.
Solidsnake: Does anyone know if this is possible? To use the B&O built in tuner to scan in channels from a Sky HD box? This would be amazing as I personally hate Sky's bloated interface.
Actually my question is that why do you need the Sky HD box at all, when the Beovision has Dual T2/C/S2 tuner in it?
Is a separate Sky HD box a requirement by the broadcaster?
In Belgium, until recently, such a decoder was necessary since the provider did not sell any CI+ modules with smartcards. They used some unstandard encryption and you could not do without an extra box (their own box, which you had to rent).
This has only been changed somewhere last year. It could be the case that Sky has a similar policy?
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KMA: Is a separate Sky HD box a requirement by the broadcaster?
For my V1, I choose the HD settopbox from my cable company. With this box I can watch 1 channel and record 2 other channels at the same time. If I want the Common Interface Card (CI) from my cable company, there was no possibility to record other channels.
There is no requirement what to choose from our cable company, I can always as extra buy the CI-card. But it is a requirement to take a settopbox if I choose another provider who delivers the picture by digital subscriber line technology. I guess it all depends on the country, provider and technology they use.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
moxxey: And I'm not sure I'd say the BV11 was 'rock solid', BeoGreg. Still suffers from backlighting issues in a dark room, has issues with HDCP with the Apple TV (screen will often go black and you can't get the Apple TV back) and there are still the occasional production smear marks behind the BV11 contrast glass, too.
No problems with my BV11 and Apple TV. My Apple TV is horizontal, away from the TV and in a well ventilated space. I decided against using the spare hinge motor compartment on my wall mounted TV. (TV's on a floor stand have two spare compartments). The compartments are not ventilated and require the Apple TV to stand on edge. According to the Apple support pages Apple do not make a vertical stand/ holder for the Apple TV because the drive is not designed to work in that plane and also has heat sink issues if not mounted horizontally. Maybe some people have been lucky with a fully functioning ATV in the hinge compartment, but it could equally be the cause of intermittent failures.
Graham
Absolutely yes. You can't watch Sky without a Sky box. Sky uses it's own encryption, which is only supported by their box.
Michael: Dust/prints on glass inside (production error - and obviously common on older models too) Light sensor software making very strange choices sometimes (early software I hope)
But these two issues are present on the BV11, too. Indeed, the dust/print marks have been present on many recent contrast glass BV's for a few years. There was dust from the BV7 fans, dust behind the BV10 panel and I have two smear marks on the inside of the BV11 contrast screen. You don't need to wait for an Avant MK2/MK3 to fix these production issues, they should have been fixed years ago.
The light/sensor issue is present on the BV11. It can drive you nuts at times, particularly in a dim (but not dark) room. The only solution is to put a light source near the TV, such as a lamp. Again, this isn't a MK1 issue, it's software-related. Just needs some tweaking so the light adaption is less aggressive! On my BV11 you can see it physically reducing the contrast whilst watching a football game, up and down. It can never make it's mind up.
Michael: Flappo: Not that crappy new avant , the old one I would not call it crappy. There has been a few production problems but I love the design, the sound and the picture. The remote, the way the stand moves and how it all works is things I really do enjoy and I love the set. Since I expect to have this set at least a few years I am happy that it does support 4K. I am curious about new technology and it scales older stuff very good. Yesterday me and a friend watched a movie from the 80's and it looked really really good! The problems I have had so far is: Stand plate not completely flush (production error) Dust/prints on glass inside (production error - and obviously common on older models too) Light sensor software making very strange choices sometimes (early software I hope) No interface on 4K (B&O promise update that brings this and hdmi 2.0 in the summer, I have talked with them). I know I can't make flappo say anything positive about the new set but that's the reality. It's a really nice tv and of course there is a few problems in the beginning as usual. I have a five year warranty so I feel safe. I am only using the built in speakers at the moment and I am almost considering to not have any other front speakers and only back (if even that). The bass is really good and a subwoofer would add but perhaps not necessary. Have to use it as it is a little more. The sound from the built in speakers are quite amazing I think. I can't compare to bl 7.6 since I don't have them but I can not complain. With the thin speakers this set has it is amazing how much sound it produces.
Flappo: Not that crappy new avant , the old one
I'm very happy with mine Avant 55!
The only problem from above I recognize is the light settings, but only noticed once during a soccer game when half the field was in bright sun light and the other half was in shade. If there is a problem I believe it will be fixed with an automatic upgrade, so I just relax and enjoy the Avant.
The kids and SHMBO really likes it. As I only change TV every 23rd year or so I have no plans of changing the set for many, many years.
KMA:Sad to hear this, and that you've had more issues with BV11 than BV10. My experience is the opposite, and having no issues with my BV11, it seems not all BV11s are created equal.
BeoGreg:Same for me since my first B&O tv in 1996. Had a tube change on my MX after 2 months, had a vcr change on my Avant after 6 months, had 11 interventions (panel change, dvb-hd module change, mother board change, ir sensor change, wrong puc 1 plug, crackling noises...) at home by a technician and a tv swap for my BV10 untill day one. Nothing on my BV11 yet = rock solid.
I had a quick visit at my dealer, and I ordered a Beoremote One for the same price as BEO4, to use with my V1. He will give me a call when it arrives.
I forgot if it will work also with my Beosound 3200 who is in NL/ML with the V1, better give him a call tomorrow.
Chris: I had a quick visit at my dealer, and I ordered a Beoremote One for the same price as BEO4, to use with my V1. He will give me a call when it arrives. I forgot if it will work also with my Beosound 3200 who is in NL/ML with the V1, better give him a call tomorrow.
Will it work seamlessly with a BV10 MKII, or is a SW upgrade needed?
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Daniel: The remote is very easy to use, but I miss the weight of the Beolink 1000/Beo4. The only thing I don´t like is the sharp unpolished surface round the small hole on the backside. This is where you press a small pin to open the remote for battery change (like a sim card on an iPhone). If you drag your fingers on the backside of the remote you feel this. I know there a bigger problems in the world, but they could have polished it one more time after drilling the hole.
Went to a different B&O shop and yes you are right. There is a distinct feel to where the hole is - I would not say it was "sharp" just "distinct" and I agree, a pity.
Also that store said the additional remote is "satin" (now I remember the first store said "satin" too - not "silk") - I have no idea what that a satin finish might be .... except no distinct sharpness on the rear ?
And my dealers are still saying they can not just order it
Still I might as well wait to see what the other flavours are like !
A 'satin finish' usually means the same as a brushed stainless steel finish, which is great! This will be the remote I buy but I am holding out to see what the while one looks like first because that could be very interesting too. Either way it's one or the other.
Just heard from my dealer this afternoon.
Avant production has re-started and my Avant has been prioritised, so will be here next week.
Apparently the issue was to do with the panel bonding, rather than finger marks/smears behind the panel.