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Inside-to-out record on tangential?

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beopaul Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014 8:45 PM
Jack White has come out with a vinyl album that plays from the inside out. My wife just ordered it.

http://thirdmanstore.com/jack-white-lazaretto-12-vinyl

Is this going to work on my BG9500 tangential turntable? (obviously will need to manually position the arm myself via the positioning buttons) I don't want any disasters! Unsure

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Dillen replied on Wed, Jul 2 2014 8:56 PM

Beogram 9500 no.
But there are some of the earlier Beogram tangentials that allows for tracking the "wrong way".
Most radial decks will also do it.

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Jeff replied on Wed, Jul 2 2014 10:36 PM

Any reason other than to be different that he did the record this way? I assume that's the only reason. Why not though if it attracts attention.

I remember back in the 70s the original Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief album. Both sides were labeled Side 1, but one side had two concentric grooves that picked up at different points on the lead in groove. You could play it, then immediately play it again and get something "completely different." Believe me, late at night after consuming enough alcohol that would make you question your sanity. Sad

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tournedos replied on Wed, Jul 2 2014 10:46 PM

Jeff:
You could play it, then immediately play it again and get something "completely different." Believe me, late at night after consuming enough alcohol that would make you question your sanity. Sad

Laughing

Anyway, who is to say outside in is the "right" way? CDs do it the other way round... Smile

I have always wondered whether the reverse tracking capability of early tangential Beograms was an accidental feature, or really designed - and if the latter, did they really want to be able to play reverse records, or just be able to better track badly non-concentric records where the arm might need to actually go back once per revolution.

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beopaul replied on Wed, Jul 2 2014 10:47 PM
Jeff:

Any reason other than to be different that he did the record this way? I assume that's the only reason. Why not though if it attracts attention.

If you scroll down a bit on the linked page you'll find some of the LP's features. He seems to have had fun throwing in every oddity imaginable into it:

- 180 gram vinyl

- 2 vinyl-only hidden tracks hidden beneath the center labels

- 1 hidden track plays at 78 RPM, one plays at 45 RPM, making this a 3-speed record

- Side A plays from the inside out

- Dual-groove technology: plays an electric or acoustic intro for “Just One Drink” depending on where needle is dropped. The grooves meet for the body of the song.

- Matte finish on Side B, giving the appearance of an un-played 78 RPM record

- Both sides end with locked grooves

- Vinyl pressed in seldom-used flat-edged format

- Dead wax area on Side A contains a hand-etched hologram by Tristan Duke of Infinity Light Science, the first of its kind on a vinyl record

- Absolutely zero compression used during recording, mixing and mastering

- Different running order from the CD/digital version

- LP utilizes some mixes different from those used on CD and digital version
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And if you listen really carefully you can hear him say "Paul Is Dead".

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Jeff replied on Thu, Jul 3 2014 1:46 AM

Beopaul, thanks for summarizing, that's all very, very cool. Something truly different I'd say, will be quite a collectors piece I think.

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chartz replied on Thu, Jul 3 2014 6:17 AM

My Beogram 4000 will play reverse LPs.  

Ravel's Bolero was once released that way, so that the final climax was outside, where large modulations are easily cut and played back.

I can tell you, such pieces are nearly impossible to play with regular radial 9-inch tonearms, unless cut with a lower level at the end.  

Makes sense, doesn't it?

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Jeff replied on Thu, Jul 3 2014 6:35 AM

Inner groove distortion has been the bane of LPs, one of the first things I noticed and loved about CD was lack of this. Made Beethoven's 9th much more pleasant. 

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Peter replied on Fri, Jul 4 2014 10:26 PM

The 4000 was simply over engineered -the fact it will play both ways is unnecessary - until now! I imagine it was done to correct for poorly centred records by an engineer but the arm usually has enough sideways movement to allow for this anyway, as was seen in the 4002. It is amazing just how much they stripped out to make the DC 4002 and yet keep the sound quality.

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Jeff:

Any reason other than to be different that he did the record this way? I assume that's the only reason. Why not though if it attracts attention.

I remember back in the 70s the original Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief album. Both sides were labeled Side 1, but one side had two concentric grooves that picked up at different points on the lead in groove. You could play it, then immediately play it again and get something "completely different." Believe me, late at night after consuming enough alcohol that would make you question your sanity. Sad

An excellent example!  I also have a record with triple concentric grooves.  This record is by William Burroughs, John Giorno, and Laurie Anderson.  On this double record, each performer gets a side (normal grooves).  On side 4, there are three concentric grooves with an extra track by each performer.  The record is "You're the Guy I Want to Share My Money With" and is on the Giorno Poetry Systems label.

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