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Beogram 9500 no.But there are some of the earlier Beogram tangentials that allows for tracking the "wrong way".Most radial decks will also do it.
Martin
Any reason other than to be different that he did the record this way? I assume that's the only reason. Why not though if it attracts attention.
I remember back in the 70s the original Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief album. Both sides were labeled Side 1, but one side had two concentric grooves that picked up at different points on the lead in groove. You could play it, then immediately play it again and get something "completely different." Believe me, late at night after consuming enough alcohol that would make you question your sanity.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff:You could play it, then immediately play it again and get something "completely different." Believe me, late at night after consuming enough alcohol that would make you question your sanity.
Anyway, who is to say outside in is the "right" way? CDs do it the other way round...
I have always wondered whether the reverse tracking capability of early tangential Beograms was an accidental feature, or really designed - and if the latter, did they really want to be able to play reverse records, or just be able to better track badly non-concentric records where the arm might need to actually go back once per revolution.
--mika
Jeff:Any reason other than to be different that he did the record this way? I assume that's the only reason. Why not though if it attracts attention.
And if you listen really carefully you can hear him say "Paul Is Dead".
Beopaul, thanks for summarizing, that's all very, very cool. Something truly different I'd say, will be quite a collectors piece I think.
My Beogram 4000 will play reverse LPs.
Ravel's Bolero was once released that way, so that the final climax was outside, where large modulations are easily cut and played back.
I can tell you, such pieces are nearly impossible to play with regular radial 9-inch tonearms, unless cut with a lower level at the end.
Makes sense, doesn't it?
Jacques
Inner groove distortion has been the bane of LPs, one of the first things I noticed and loved about CD was lack of this. Made Beethoven's 9th much more pleasant.
The 4000 was simply over engineered -the fact it will play both ways is unnecessary - until now! I imagine it was done to correct for poorly centred records by an engineer but the arm usually has enough sideways movement to allow for this anyway, as was seen in the 4002. It is amazing just how much they stripped out to make the DC 4002 and yet keep the sound quality.
Peter
Jeff: Any reason other than to be different that he did the record this way? I assume that's the only reason. Why not though if it attracts attention. I remember back in the 70s the original Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief album. Both sides were labeled Side 1, but one side had two concentric grooves that picked up at different points on the lead in groove. You could play it, then immediately play it again and get something "completely different." Believe me, late at night after consuming enough alcohol that would make you question your sanity.
An excellent example! I also have a record with triple concentric grooves. This record is by William Burroughs, John Giorno, and Laurie Anderson. On this double record, each performer gets a side (normal grooves). On side 4, there are three concentric grooves with an extra track by each performer. The record is "You're the Guy I Want to Share My Money With" and is on the Giorno Poetry Systems label.
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