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Thank you Millemissen.
I'm looking forward to see and touch it in flesh.
I currently have a BeoSound 5 in the dining room, but would like a Moment in the lounge with a pair of wireless BeoLabs. The BeoMaster 5 could act as a NAS.
If you use and are used to use the MOTS function on your BS5, I am absolutely sure, that you will like the BS Moment.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Thanks for sharing .
Sal: Can the Moment connect to several instances of iTunes Libraries running on multiple MACs in the same network? And does iTunes have to be running for the Moment to connect to the library? (I'm assuming it does)
Can the Moment connect to several instances of iTunes Libraries running on multiple MACs in the same network?
And does iTunes have to be running for the Moment to connect to the library? (I'm assuming it does)
Here is what B&O write on their webpage in the FAQ section.
You get it for free, when you register your Moment at B&O.
BeoBoy68:Like I wrote allready Bang & Olufsen should sell alone in Apple Store Apps PatternPlay and MoodWheel. Not everyone want the complete set BS Moment. It will be nice for new customers to entry in Bang & Olufsen's world with Apps only.
Bang & Olufsen should sell alone in Apple Store Apps PatternPlay and MoodWheel.
Not everyone want the complete set BS Moment. It will be nice for new customers to entry in Bang & Olufsen's world with Apps only.
The old saying comes to mind "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free."
I can now confirm, that the 'Line- in' of the BS Moment is 'auto-sensing' the input (some of you might recognize that from the Playmaker).
This means, that if the Moment is using the speakers of a BV through NL and you have - say - a turntable connected to the 'Line in', the BV will turn on to the right input, and the sound will come through immidiately, when you start the playback of your vinyl player.
Those of you/of us, who miss AirPlay on the Moment could connect an AirPortExpres.
Just start airplaying to it, and you will hear the sound through your tv/the speakers connected to the tv.
Or how about connecting a Playmaker (with the Option 0/fixed line-out setting).
Hide the PM away and impress your guests - it is like magic
If you are a friend of Spotify (Connect), you could connect a Gramofon to the 'line in'.
Pick the Gramofon in the Connect menu (in the Spotify app) and start listening.
So, this would also mean that I could have a television connected to the Moment very easily and run the TV-sound through the Moment automatically? (And then perhaps beam the multiroom-sound through to an Essence or A9 Gen2?)
Yes - theoretically!
But you won't find many tv's with a fixed line-out connection.
Most non B&O tv's have a digital out - so you will need a converter for that, which again might cause delay of the sound.
And using the headphone-out is not a good idea.
beojeff:The old saying comes to mind "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free."
The Essence will be perfectly well - as long as you don't need something, that can distribute it's sources onto the NL network - and can use the speakers of a BV directly.
As a standalone BS it will do the job.
Well, you'll have to renounce the MoodWheel and PatternPlay - of course
I still fail to grasp what is different of the Moment in reference to the Essence/A9 2ndG in hardware that makes it possible to distribute sound over NL.
The sources the Moment can receive are the same as the Essence can so far as I have understood. Why would one need a Master/Slave-situation in this digital age? (Except for marketing reasons, off course)
Hello from France.
Does anyone know if we can pair WISA speakers concurrently with two sources, i.e a BS Moment and a Transmitter 1?
Cheers
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mbolo01: Does anyone know if we can pair WISA speakers concurrently with two sources, i.e a BS Moment and a Transmitter 1?
Can you tell us why you would need this, so we can think of a different solution.
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
1990:I still fail to grasp what is different of the Moment in reference to the Essence/A9 2ndG in hardware that makes it possible to distribute sound over NL.
Probably not much.
This is just so you can have the same music in several room, in sync, if you wish to do so. The so called Party Mode.
And actually, no one said the essence wouldn't be able to distribute audio over NL with the required software update - but for now we don't know.
The more I read about the Moment the less I seem to understand the concept. And what ifunctionality it will add to the system.
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Amazone:The more I read about the Moment the less I seem to understand the concept. And what ifunctionality it will add to the system.
It's all about the user experience.
PhilLondon: It's all about the user experience.
I agree. But then, let's say I buy it. What will it bring? I was shocked by millemissen stating that I would have to connect other devices like Gramofon or airport expres to even be able to use spotify, or airplay. Functions that I now have fully integrated without the Moment.
It's just occurred to me that the Moment user experience does not involve any movement of the product. The Avant at least maintains this B&O feature . It even looks a bit static.
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AirPlay won't be there, because of licensing issues. WISA is incompatible with Apple's Airplay license. But you've got bluetooth that can do the same, and in a more reliable way. You'll still be able able to stream any music from your iPhone to the Moment, as long as you've paired it once.
It don't have Spotify, yet. I am sure this will come. You can either switch to Deezer, and can use it on both, or you can use the Spotify App on your iPhone and stream it with Bluetooth to the Moment.
So you can achieve both functionalities without the need for additional hardware, plus I am sure Spotify and other services will be added.
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Simonbeo:It's just occurred to me that the Moment user experience does not involve any movement of the product. The Avant at least maintains this B&O feature . It even looks a bit static.
No movement as such, but the magic is still there, in the Touch wood interface, in the touch aluminium interface. The fact you can flip it and it changes the personality of the device (both in term of functionality and looks), in the mood wheel, the patternPlay, etc. Also there is a nice effect on the screen when you change the volume on the aluminium wheel.
PhiLondon,
My current setup is:
BL 18 / BL 19 <--> Transmitter 1 <--> TOSLINK <--> ISP Player Box
The ISP Player box is the audio source for TV, CD/DVD/BR and Airplay (integrated in the box)
If I simply replace the TR1 by a BS Moment I'll loose the above feature as the ISP box does not have a RCA out. I'll need to go through RCA converters and before considering this, I wondered if TR1 and BS Moment could coexist so I could have for example:
-------> Transmitter 1 <--> TOSLINK <--> ISP Player Box (TV, CD/DVD/BR, Airplay)BL 18 / BL 19 <---- -------> BS Moment <--> LAN <---> DLNA, NAS, iTunes, DeezerOr
-------> Transmitter 1 <--> PL ports <--> Denon A/V pre out <--> Turntable, ISP Player Box through HDMI, Apple TVBL 18 / BL 19 <---- -------> BS Moment <--> LAN <---> DLNA, NAS, iTunes, Deezer
PhilLondon: Simonbeo:It's just occurred to me that the Moment user experience does not involve any movement of the product. The Avant at least maintains this B&O feature . It even looks a bit static. No movement as such, but the magic is still there, in the Touch wood interface, in the touch aluminium interface. The fact you can flip it and it changes the personality of the device (both in term of functionality and looks), in the mood wheel, the patternPlay, etc. Also there is a nice effect on the screen when you change the volume on the aluminium wheel.
i know but the interface is basically a B&O iPad which everybody is used to seeing displaying moving graphics. Nothing has replaced the missing physical element the media used to bring to the system. Even my sons wii games have elements brought onto a portal to control the character element of the games. Where's the screen moving out for the "album cover" to be projected on ? I know it's crazy but it requires theatre equivalent to the "magic doors" now the CD and its equivalent is no longer tangible .
Here a video showcasing the multiroom-function that I haven't seen coming by in this topic. Seems to work very well. I just hope we can get more details very quickly :)
First look at Bang & Olufsen wireless multiroom at CES 2015 from recordere on Vimeo.
PhilLondon: 1990:I still fail to grasp what is different of the Moment in reference to the Essence/A9 2ndG in hardware that makes it possible to distribute sound over NL. Probably not much. This is just so you can have the same music in several room, in sync, if you wish to do so. The so called Party Mode. And actually, no one said the essence wouldn't be able to distribute audio over NL with the required software update - but for now we don't know.
Then they would also have to take Spotify (Connect) and AirPlay out.
And you would not have the 'MoodWheel' and the 'PatternPlay' functions.
I guess it is a better idea to keep the BS Moment, which has a display, as the 'feeding' system'.
Makes it easier to handle.
It is not just about 'Party Mode'*, it is also about taking the sound with you to, where you just want it.
Doesn't have to be to all rooms.
And it is about being able to use the speakers of a BV as the speakers of the BS.
In fact it is like with the old ML - in a new way.
But NL is more than that - with NL we can 'share' speaker from one tv to another, which is also called 'borrowing sources'.
* And don't forget - a lot of people love the 'Party Mode'.
I think some of us are putting too much emphasis on the 'magic' aspect of B&o-products, such as moving parts. In the earlier days (60&70's) no such thing as 'magic' was part of the product line, and still there are a lot of well regarded and collectable products from that time. Design, as such, is good enough the way B&o does it. Moving parts are not needed for a product to be 'real' BO, and that includes the 'Moment'.
I must say, moving parts like the speakers of the new Avant are in my eyes useless, and not even very beautiful. (proportions) The 7.2 that went together with the Beovision 7 was a lot better both visually and functionally.
1990: Here a video showcasing the multiroom-function that I haven't seen coming by in this topic. Seems to work very well. I just hope we can get more details very quickly :) First look at Bang & Olufsen wireless multiroom at CES 2015 from recordere on Vimeo.
That is an update, that will come end feb/early march - if I am correct informed.
It involves updates to the Essence, the A9 and (maybe later) to the BV's.
Will be fun
Actually there is no need for 'more details'.
It works with touching the device and/or sending the command 'Join' from the remote - quite easy.
I am not sure, how the Moment will behave with the final (final for the launch) SW-version.
But it is possible, that the Jukebox - resting in standby on the SoundHeart - can 'wake up' and show the startscreen (the one with the MoodWheel), when you come near it.
Wouldn't that be magic?
Yes,
I don't remember the name of the BeoWorlder who said that the little "eye" on the tablet could act as a "presence detector", a bit like the sensor of the BeoSound 2300 series.
Very nice touch !
Millemissen: PhilLondon: Simonbeo:It's just occurred to me that the Moment user experience does not involve any movement of the product. The Avant at least maintains this B&O feature . It even looks a bit static. No movement as such, but the magic is still there, in the Touch wood interface, in the touch aluminium interface. The fact you can flip it and it changes the personality of the device (both in term of functionality and looks), in the mood wheel, the patternPlay, etc. Also there is a nice effect on the screen when you change the volume on the aluminium wheel. I am not sure, how the Moment will behave with the final (final for the launch) SW-version. But it is possible, that the Jukebox - resting in standby on the SoundHeart - can 'wake up' and show the startscreen (the one with the MoodWheel), when you come near it. Wouldn't that be magic? MM
Semi-magic but not physically animated.
the sensor mentioned would finally achieve a bit of what people thought Beovisions did by "following you around the room" by pointing at you . It still doesn't physically move though. I know it's potentially naff but it's theatre.
Simonbeo: Semi-magic but not physically animated. the sensor mentioned would finally achieve a bit of what people thought Beovisions did by "following you around the room" by pointing at you . It still doesn't physically move though. I know it's potentially naff but it's theatre.
Sorry - what kind of 'physical magic' would you expect from a device, that only involves non-physical media?
Maybe they could have built in a small motor, that makes the Jukebox 'rise' from the stand, when you come near....
But - imo - that would have been too 'gimmicky' - and a cost factor, that I as a costumer would not like to see in the final price.
Please tell us, what you miss?
Millemissen:Sorry - what kind of 'physical magic' would you expect from a device that only involves non-physical media?
B&O explained that the Beosound 5 had the wheels and cursor to bring that physicality back to a dematerialised player.
Millemissen:Maybe they could have built in a small motor, that makes the Jukebox 'rise' from the stand, when you come near....
Like the Beolink 7000...
I have to say that I do like too much the fact that the jukebox is totally flat. Something like the MCP would be ideal IMHO.
PhilLondon: B&O explained that the Beosound 5 had the wheels and cursor to bring that physicality back to a dematerialised player. Like the Beolink 7000... I have to say that I do like too much the fact that the jukebox is totally flat. Something like the MCP would be ideal IMHO.
They sure did - at that time.
The wheely-thing of the BS5 has always been the reason, why I did not want it.
It is too much fiddling - and the arrow cursor 'always' moves in the 'wrong direction'.
But did they have an alternative then - touchscreens, as we now see in millions, were not there, when the BS5 was designed/engineered.
I would not want to have a Jukebox in the shape of a MCL panel in the couch.
That device was meant for staying/resting on a table.
From a modern controller I expect, that I can easily hold it with one hand and operate it with the other.
And how would you design a device, that has two operation sides - if not flat?
Right Millemissen, but i agree with Phil on the fact that the tablet can't rest on a table for instance. When we pick it up and play with it, we must at the end put it on the base, because it's risky to lay it on a hard surface. The jukebox don't have any cover or plastic protection.
@PhilLondon: I guess that the proximity sensor (which was at first suspected by everyone to be a "tablet" camera) actually might do something with the "lights up when I am around…”
Or I might be too hopeful. :/
However, I do agree with Millemissen that it is difficult and design-wise redundant to engage physical movement of the system against strictly digital music repository. Design always has to be meaningful, door sliding adds no value to a song played from Deezer or over DLNA.
AnalogPlanet: @PhilLondon: I guess that the proximity sensor (which was at first suspected by everyone to be a "tablet" camera) actually might do something with the "lights up when I am around…” Or I might be too hopeful. :/ However, I do agree with Millemissen that it is difficult and design-wise redundant to engage physical movement of the system against strictly digital music repository. Design always has to be meaningful, door sliding adds no value to a song played from Deezer or over DLNA.
If B&O cannot add to the utility of an iPad in the system by creating the theatre they're known for , then why duplicate the Apple product adding only some wood?
Millemissen: They sure did - at that time. The wheely-thing of the BS5 has always been the reason, why I did not want it. It is too much fiddling - and the arrow cursor 'always' moves in the 'wrong direction'. But did they have an alternative then - touchscreens, as we now see in millions, were not there, when the BS5 was designed/engineered
But did they have an alternative then - touchscreens, as we now see in millions, were not there, when the BS5 was designed/engineered
Hmm - that's not quite true. Touchscreens were there when the BS5 was designed. I remember B&O saying, that they did not want a touchscreen on the BS5 - but, as Phil wrote, - they made the wheels to give it that physicality, that a touchscreen do not have.
I remember at the launch of the BS5, where I saw a lot of people fiddling around with their fingers on the screen, thinking that it was a touch screen.
@Simonbeo: Well, that's exactly the point. B&O has become known for the "theatre" in times when everyone was consuming music from physical media. Casette, records and CDs later... ...don't get me wrong - I bought myself a Beocenter 8500 because I do like that magic and it looks incredibly sculptural. But back then, this "theatre" was also in function of media consumption - today it is not, therefore I believe it was a right move.
I suspect we will all need to learn to accept design will never again be like it once was because our media reality is so much different now. But in return, we will get something new. I like very very much the idea that Moment is able to "mix" songs for me via mood wheel from combined sources like Deezer, my iTunes lib and (if I did get it properly) TuneIn radio stations of my choice. If that's not magic - what is? :)
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In the Moment, B&O bring the human touch back of the mechanic 3D wheels of the BS5, with the beautiful panel of touch- sensitive oak.
It's an alternative to the millions of iPads touch screens only.
I think the materials used in the Moment are parts of the whole user experience, like all B&O products.