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BeoBoy68:Just for your information
Can you explain how this information is on topic, and not just a spammed advertisement for a random non-B&O product that should be deleted from a B&O forum? Even a few words of your own could help.
--mika
tournedos:Can you explain how this information is on topic, and not just a spammed advertisement for a random non-B&O product that should be deleted from a B&O forum? Even a few words of your own could help.
+1
It is a bit of an odd post that does come across as advertising.
BenSA: It is a bit of an odd post that does come across as advertising.
The OP is French/or lives in France at least and the company producing this product is French. The OP has also created another post highlighting this same product today and previously asked for Geoff Martin's thoughts on an amplifier/sound system produced by the same company:
http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/12415.aspx
They do make grand claims (without much to back it up) and are horrendously expensive.
The OP is an active member and involved in a whole variety of discussions on B&O related issues. If he is a fan of this company who make extravagant claims, why not bring it to our attention so we can see the 'competition' and allow Geoff to de-bunk them? It's no more 'off-topic' than threads about watches or cars which are very popular here on Beoworld, or what food we are eating on a particular day. I don't see it as advertising, merely someone who is proud of a development from his own country. I'm not French by the way.
Members on here frequently post about alternative sound systems, speakers, TV's etc. I think it's a good thing to view alternative thinking/designs and hope we are open enough to do this as a forum.
Dave.
Never the less - some kind of 'link' to B&O/a B&O product could be expected.
Merely announcing that 'french' product without any personal comment or question has - as we have seen - led to the impression, that this thread (and the frech one too) might be an advertisement.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
When seeing it, and with all the claims of impressive sound, and its price point (1700€ /piece), I instantly thought "that might finally be a competitor in front of something like a WISA BL3 or BL17".
But to be sure, I must listen to this thing.
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But I totally agree about the fact that the topic started in a wrong way...
For those interested
there is an article with some pictures from Chris Connaker on his Computer Audiophile website:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/615-devialet-unleashes-phantom/
Chris is usually utterly impressed by such new inventions - have a look if you might.
I noticed that he mentioned the app (Sparks), that Devialet created for the system.
The approach that they are taking there, seems interesting - and surely something that B&O should watch out for.
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Dave Farr:It's no more 'off-topic' than threads about watches or cars which are very popular here on Beoworld, or what food we are eating on a particular day. I don't see it as advertising, merely someone who is proud of a development from his own country.
The car / watch / camera / food threads are (or should be) in the lifestyle subforum, which was created exactly for that kind of stuff.
There are plenty of Finnish products I'm proud of, but I don't post them here. I agree this product can be interesting to a lot of B&O fans as well, but an almost non-existent narrative and a non-clickable link to an external site is not the way to bring them to our attention.
The world is full of URLs to paste and there has to be some limit and guideline to which and how they are accepted here. Having to make these kind of decisions is what makes this job hard. Now all we need is representatives of five other media player products screaming about why they cannot post their ads here. I'm sure some Beoworlders would be interested in cheap ex-display kitchens and fake Chanel products as well, but we delete them. Just a small original writeup could've brought the OP's post to at least grey area, instead of ringing the "advertisement" alarm bell in most people's heads.
Now I hope this thread will develop into a lively discussion on how and why that product is interesting to current and potential B&O enthusiasts and how it could be related to B&O products or even interoperate with them.
olvisab:Well despite the fact it looks ugly, it could be suited to my need for a good stereo center speaker and replace my bl7.2, bulky and heavy.
you'd need two of those - if I understood it right.
Exchanging one (bulky) 7.2 with two (bulky) Phantoms makes no sense.
And how would you connect (and configure) them with your BV?
N.B. I supposed that your 7.2 is the speaker for your tv!
Dave Farr: The OP is French/or lives in France at least and the company producing this product is French. The OP has also created another post highlighting this same product today and previously asked for Geoff Martin's thoughts on an amplifier/sound system produced by the same company: http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/12415.aspx They do make grand claims (without much to back it up) and are horrendously expensive. The OP is an active member and involved in a whole variety of discussions on B&O related issues. If he is a fan of this company who make extravagant claims, why not bring it to our attention so we can see the 'competition' and allow Geoff to de-bunk them? It's no more 'off-topic' than threads about watches or cars which are very popular here on Beoworld, or what food we are eating on a particular day. I don't see it as advertising, merely someone who is proud of a development from his own country. I'm not French by the way. Members on here frequently post about alternative sound systems, speakers, TV's etc. I think it's a good thing to view alternative thinking/designs and hope we are open enough to do this as a forum. Dave.
Thanks Dave
You understand me
I like Bang & Olufsen, but it is important to open eyes and see that another european company is very innovative and work actively for the Sound Quality.
tournedos: a non-clickable link to an external site is not the way to bring them to our attention.
a non-clickable link to an external site is not the way to bring them to our attention.
Please do tell me how to make a clickable link on this forum writing on an iPad/Safari.
I can do that on other forums, I frequently use - but not on Beoworld!
I am willing to learn - for some people copying/pasting an URL seems to hard a job to do.
Millemissen:you'd need two of those - if I understood it right.Exchanging one (bulky) 7.2 with two (bulky) Phantoms makes no sense.And how would you connect (and configure) them with your BV?N.B. I supposed that your 7.2 is the speaker for your tv!MMThere is a tv - and there is a BV.
Millemissen:For those interested .... I noticed that he mentioned the app (Sparks), that Devialet created for the system. The approach that they are taking there, seems interesting - and surely something that B&O should watch out for. MM
Millemissen: Please do tell me how to make a clickable link on this forum writing on an iPad/Safari. I can do that on other forums, I frequently use - but not on Beoworld! I am willing to learn - for some people copying/pasting an URL seems to hard a job to do.
I have no idea - I prefer using a computer for writing posts.
I agree it is unnecessarily difficult, and I would also be very happy if the forum software autolinkified obvious links. Alas, it does not, and there's precious little anybody can do about it as the plaform is closed source.
What I can do is write a GreaseMonkey script for Firefox that will linkify non-links. That's not fixing the actual problem, but it would stop me from complaining, which would be some kind of an improvement
Sending a URL to my (own) mail formats the link.
Afterwards I can copy that link into the Beoworld message.
As an example:
http://www.polyvection.com/polyhat.html
Maybe I should do that, if I want to post 'very important' URLs
BeoBoy68: Right MM Software is the weak point for B&O.
Right MM
Software is the weak point for B&O.
This is not about software or writing software.
This is about the approach to what software should do.
Apparently, one is "enough" for stereo or what they call spatial sound. In fact, it's a "complete" system, more like a reduced BS Essence + speakers than only a single speaker : it can connect directly to the network.
But if you have two or more of them, there is a kind of communication between them.
I just saw it in the parisian shop, and it's not that big (the size is approximately a volleyball + a football balls). The shop was closed, but I will go back to listen to it another day...
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Millemissen:What is a 'one' MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
You are a quick one, you.
I thought i had deleted my irrational post rather swift - but not swift enogh
Yes - I am tired. Have done too much BV-installing today - ought to get some sleep.
The Phantom system (or whatever it is) looks like a nespresso machine or something. I would not be surprised if someone would try to put a coffee capsule in it. And the only thing I can say about the design is: no thanks, not my style :).
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Michael: The Phantom system (or whatever it is) looks like a nespresso machine or something. I would not be surprised if someone would try to put a coffee capsule in it. And the only thing I can say about the design is: no thanks, not my style :).
Second that, Devialet is far from the class of Bang & Olufsen (not considering Beoplay) IMHO. Even Beoplay looks much more sober. I have not seen the Phantom in the flesh but the other Devialet products I saw at Harrods did not make me impressed.
It's of course a matter of personal taste.
My B&O products: Beosound 9000, Beosound 2300, Beosound Century, Beolab 8000, Beolab 6000, Beolab 4000 x2, Beolab 3500, Beolab 2000, Beolab 10, Beolink Active x2, Beotime, Beo5 x2, Beo4, A9 keyring x2, LC2 dimmer x6 and growing....
The video makes me think of the emperors new clothes. It´s easy to make people believe things with animations and strangely described procedures.
I've moved this thread to the People and Lifestyle forum section.Please keep the General forum section on B&O topic.
Martin
Bye, bye - BeoBoy68.
Millemissen:Bye, bye - BeoBoy68.
So once and for all, how do the damn things sound!
It apparently is starting to trickle out, here's a very basic review and an ACTUAL unit in person... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GVnfEDcjvg
Ideally you do need two of these, as well as the communications hub that goes between them. It's also curious that the 750w version is 1990.00 US, but for another 500.00 you get 3000w... Obviously class d amps.
However, if these things truly sound as good as they have the potential to, they could be preferable to a lot of the lower end B&O speaker pairs. You would almost think based on all their outlandish claims that these might even give hearty competition to something like the Beolab 18. FWIW, these units are designed AND manufactured in France by Devialet, a contrast to B&O who is continually churning out production to the nether regions. I think even the newest Lab 5 have "Manufactured in: Czech" stickers on them now.
Sure would be nice to actually hear a first hand account and not just posts with pretty pictures!
Playdrv4me:Sure would be nice to actually hear a first hand account and not just posts with pretty pictures!
I had the chance to listen to one in an high end hifi shop. I have to say that the sound is amazing (and even more according to the compact size), very crisp, strong bass but not boomy at all, whatever the listening volume. It's not exactly stereo but more spacial sound with some left right separation. There is no sound comparaison possible with the Beoplay A9; Deviate is much better. BUT I prefer from far the A9 design. According to my taste Devialet looks a bit strange (perfect in a Daft Punk video clip...) and the thick colored main cable limits a bit the placement (in order to hide it), it has no bluetooth (I agree that bluetooth is maybe pointless for this kind of high end device but I like it), and you need a huge room to enjoy the performances. A smaller A9 with Devialet's performances would be for me the Holly Graal...
I just keep myself asking me what really justifies the huge price level asked for these 'fashionable or high end electronic' devices...
http://www.wired.com/2015/06/review-devialet-phantom-2/
we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.