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JoostdenEngelsman:Checking and aligning metadata in iTunes does seem to resolve a lot of problems. I still don't have all Artist Portraits but a whole lot more than before I resolved small inconsistencies in the metadata of my albums/tracks in my iTunes library. Thanks to all for your help (and patience)! Joost
BeoNut since '75
You can get a better insight in how it works, when reading the Gracenote Faq's.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Side question: if I wish to change metadata in the iTunes library on my NAS or add an album, should I each time start iTunes on my MacBook by pressing Alt iTunes?
This depends on your use. If you want to be using further iTunes & the Moment at the same time, then it is best to add albums with iTunes.
iTunes is placing the albums somewhere in de Music Media directory so they appear on your iTunes screen, and the Moment is directed to this directory (I presume) so the Moment is adding this album also to play.
If your not using iTunes anymore, why should you add albums with iTunes. Place them directly to the Moment's music directory.
But I do understand, you are using iTunes also as your metadata program. Easier and more checkable is before you add any album in iTunes or to the Moment to correct that metadata first with per example ( if you don't want to pay for a better) the free MusicBrainz program. I don't think its the best idea to correct metadata once you added them to iTunes, could be when you push OK iTunes send the album in pieces to other albums directory's as Various, or Compilations...
Thanks Chris. I wish to continue using iTunes so my kids keep all their music (updated) on their iPads using iTunes Match. So I presume changes to metadata should be made in iTunes and then synchronise with the NAS.
Do I have to assign the NAS server each time I wish to change metadata for an Artist/Album/Track by clicking Alt + iTunes every time I log into iTunes to synchronise with the NAS?
I now have multiple Artist entries/portraits for one Artist. Does anyone know to which metadata fields/tabs in iTunes the Moment 'looks at' when categorising a certain Artist?
Chris: Just look beneath my name, there you find it: 'Moment.pdf'
Just look beneath my name, there you find it: 'Moment.pdf'
Chris, where is the pdf you reference above? I can't seem to locate it. Thanks so much!
Question for current Moment owners who have their Moment connected via NL to their Beovisions:Can you tell me the exact behavior of your setup when the Moment is activated, whether by a remote, or hands on control for audio playing. That is, when you activate the Moment via your remote by touching the Moment, does your television screen turn on and then turn off again when it realizes that an audio component has been activated?
[I have another question pending moderation (I don't know why it would be), asking about behavior for ML/NL converter connected products. Thanks so much!]
@ Sal
By a first start, when I touch the Jukebox screen, it lights up and shows me a music number. Nothing more happens.
By a first start, when I push the round button, the Jukebox screen lights up and shows me a music number. Because I have NOT settled a timer (for a fast start of the V1) it takes about 30 to 45 secondes before the V1 is activated and starts playing that number.
By a first start, when I use a BEO4 and push Music or Radio, it takes again 30 to 45 sec. to hear music on the V1. On the Moment nothing lights up, its looks not activated but I have music. If you give a little touch on the Jukebox screen then you activate it and shows me the music that is playing. Not doing anything on the Moment, your Moment keeps looking non active.
@Sal
The V1 lights up, shows the connection to the Moment, and next immediate show me the source (music or radio) 5 to 10 secondes later the screen goes muting.
Raeuber:In my opinion Netlink is a foolish system, built by some idiots of software engineers!
I don't think that the Netlink protocol is the problem. The main problem that causes such a long delay is slow hardware on the TV side.If you turn on the quick start timer in the TV the delay is reduced to only a couple of seconds.This would be okay if the TV would not consume so much energy in "standby" (only the screen itself is turned off then) if this function is activated.
That combined with a not so responsive and intuitive UI on that android tablet is maybe not the best combo.
BR,BeoMotion.
Raeuber:In my opinion Netlink is a foolish system, built by some idiots of software engineers! Regards Räuber
Regards
Räuber
In my opinion: he, who calls others idiots, without hardly personal experience is foolish !
That saying what I miss the most on the Moment is the capability for multi-room. I eagerly wait for the sw update. And yes I prefer the iOS UI of Beomusic above the UI of the Moment itself.
NL: no local sources. All sources audible in all rooms. Possibilities of use different sources simultaneous in different room. Possible to use ALL older ML systems (BS4500, BS6500, BS7000 etc, etc) .
Raeuber:.....finally after 40 seconds the light in your living room turns on. What would you say if this would happen?
I would change the energy saving option in my system!
Ever wished for being able to do so with your BV7?
No?
Then you probably got used to wait the 25 seconds, that it takes for that to turn on
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
BeoBoy68:In my opinion The Beosound Moment was not launch in the right moment.
The Beosound Moment was not launch in the right moment.
No one has forced people to buy the BS Moment in the first moment
People could have waited for the update....
....if they need the multiroom function.
Those, who did not need it (or decided to buy it right away) have had a fully functional BS from day one.
Indeed the launch moment is poorly chosen. I should have been in May with the MultiRoom software, probably it would have been a very different view.
Once the MultiRoom software is come out in May, then I'm curious about reactions. Will it be again diverted in two camps, or will it be finally positive.
What stands out in the comments for now, bad reactions usually come from customers who already have multiroom.
Millemissen:I would change the energy saving option in my system! Ever wished for being able to do so with your BV7? No? Then you probably got used to wait the 25 seconds, that it takes for that to turn on MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Correct - but only for the latest/last version of the BV7.....
.....and exactly how the BSys4-based tv's work.
Chris described how it works on his tv (the V1) with no fast start timer activated!
I've now had my Moment for one month, and thought I should briefly share my experience.
It has been 15+ years since I've had any previous B&O ownership, and I bought this with a pair of Beolab 18s for my bedroom partly on a whim to be honest. Being a vinyl veteran of a 'certain age', I was quite sceptical about the whole idea of 'streaming' music - however, my suspicions were thankfully unfounded and I'm now a complete convert to using Deezer through the Moment.
Initially I had issues trying to utilise an existing music collection on my Macbook Pro - when I closed or moved my Macbook the connection to the Moment was broken and the music 'stopped', which was very annoying! The solution was obvious though - all of my music and more was also available from Deezer so I then spent a couple of hours on Deezer selecting hundreds of old and new artists to play through the Moment; this step was a joy in itself, and I've spent the last month rediscovering my love of music. Once I abandoned my attachment to my iTunes collection and overcame my suspicions of this new-fangled technology, my (and my wife's!) love affair with the Moment grew significantly... It's just so easy to get nearly anything we want to play in 'high-enough' quality in our bedroom through a beautiful, simple to use system - which I suspect must be close to the intention of the designers.
The Moment itself has not been 'issue-free' though. Last week the Jukebox 'froze', necessitating a day of running down it's batteries and recharging it; again last Wednesday the screen remained blank, and I had to reset it with a paper-clip! I hope these were only one-off glitches, but time will tell...
Whilst I like the minimalist simplicity of the displays, I could do with knowing the volume level at start-up, and some way of turning it off with a swipe-sequence, rather than just pausing it and waiting for it to 'go to sleep' would be useful. My wife loves it as it's so intuitive to use, and I've personally discovered whole new genres of music because of it. Deezer Elite would be a great option (maybe in the May update?!), although I'm already very impressed with the sound quality of the Moment/ Beolab 18 Wireless combo; in my youth I was a bit of an audiophile, but being objective I now have 'old' ears, and doubt I could hear the difference from very high-quality audio files nowadays. We haven't really used the mood wheel or the 'wooden side' yet - we're too busy selecting old favourites and dancing around the bedroom! - but I think use of these will come eventually.
Some of the issues mentioned have been raised by me in other threads, but I thought I should say something here to sum up my experience - I hope this is helpful.
@Beocat47
Thank you for your response and positive reaction, all your music playing from Deezer is indeed a clever way in utilizing the Moment.
I have been also a thrilled first time buyer of this player, however I'm having a complete Multiroom setup and can't integrate it for now. So I look forward to the May update.
Anyhow using it for now only in my living-room gives me and my family everyday already a satisfying experience and I'm pretty sure that May update will make the circle for me round.
I'm sure the update will have some surprises for us apart from the Multiroom function, a better search function, a more responsive volume control....
I am not regretting the purchase of this Moment, not for a single minute. Take care, keep dancing around your bedroom!
Beocat47:The solution was obvious though - all of my music and more was also available from Deezer so I then spent a couple of hours on Deezer selecting hundreds of old and new artists to play through the Moment; this step was a joy in itself, and I've spent the last month rediscovering my love of music. Once I abandoned my attachment to my iTunes collection and overcame my suspicions of this new-fangled technology, my (and my wife's!) love affair with the Moment grew significantly.
It is the HD-tuner, that takes time to start up.
Millemissen:It is the HD-tuner, that takes time to start up. MM
Now that I see this - and let's not hijack the original thread - I remember my dealer's support engineer telling me the same for the Avant.
I was not annoyed by that, anticipating that a lot of SW has to "boot" and "load" - but he said quite a few customers were complaining about this "delay". And from what I read here, it looks it is true for most of recent TV sets.
AnalogPlanet:Now that I see this - and let's not hijack the original thread - I remember my dealer's support engineer telling me the same for the Avant. I was not annoyed by that, anticipating that a lot of SW has to "boot" and "load" - but he said quite a few customers were complaining about this "delay". And from what I read here, it looks it is true for most of recent TV sets.
All recent - which means BSys4-based - tv's have a quick start mode.
You can choose certain times (of the day...) where the power saving option is turned off.
As an example 7-9 in the morning and 16-23 in the evening.
At these times the tv (including the HD-tuner) will start within few seconds.
With the power saving on it takes about 20 sec.
Note: in order to control these tv's with the Beoremote app, push media to the HomeMedia section, cast to the Youtube app, borrow a source from another (BSys4-) tv etc, the power saving option (for network) must be off/quick start timers must be enabled.
See page 65 in the userguide/BV11/power settings.
The BV8-40 is not a recent BV
Millemissen:The BV8-40 is not a recent BV
Age is no barrier
http://youtu.be/FmCPE9OAJKc
And for the rest: it is a pita - but you get used to it!
Does anyone know when the party mode update will become available?
I heard a bird whistle a couple of days ago and his chorus was " Week 25 ".
Actually that would make sense, because B&O always advertised the update 'by summer'.
Will see, it was announced in the forum on week 20, so I hope that little bird sang false.
Thanks Chris
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
WOW, That's BIG NEWS Chris - sounds VERY interesting :)
It's very big news as this would allow for a HUGE turnaround at B&O as their most terrible weakness was software which is the roots/foundations of a working product these days in the digital age.
is it worth to buy a beosound moment at this time?