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One simple improvement which should be relatively easy: change to UI of the hub to a similar experience as the iOS or Android BeoMusic app. Most of the remarks about the Moment evaporate if the BeoMusic app is used.
I have the Moment since the day it was released. My experience with it is, that it delivered to me what was promised on that moment (with some glitches from time to time) . What I missed is the multiroom. What I learned to do is using the iPad instead as the hub. This is more because the iPad is lying around and on a pick up distance where the hub is docked.
I started with the JRiver Server. Switched to the running, for the BS5, Twonky Server because of the artist pictures. This week switched to the JRiver Server again. It went fast (soundheart) and fair on the hub. But everything seems to be up en running without any problems.
NOTE: What I do not understand: Why do people stick to a product which seems not to deliver what was promised. Just bring it back to the store........... In the EU it is a consumers right. But be reasonable with the remarks on a forum like this.
Carolpa:What I learned to do is using the iPad instead as the hub. This is more because the iPad is lying around and on a pick up distance where the hub is docked.
Raeuber:This is what I'm doing since many years, but without the Moment: Buy an Apple TV, Airport Express or Playmaker, use your IPad with Spotify, ITunes or whatever music (streaming) service you like and just have fun! Räuber
Aussie Michael:Yeah but I want a moment and I want it to work
Raeuber: Carolpa: What I learned to do is using the iPad instead as the hub. This is more because the iPad is lying around and on a pick up distance where the hub is docked. This is what I'm doing since many years, but without the Moment: Buy an Apple TV, Airport Express or Playmaker, use your IPad with Spotify, ITunes or whatever music (streaming) service you like and just have fun! Räuber
Carolpa: What I learned to do is using the iPad instead as the hub. This is more because the iPad is lying around and on a pick up distance where the hub is docked.
Räuber
But what is your role in this discussion? without real experience you weren't that constructive in general. Just bashing?
Carolpa: What I learned to do is using the iPad instead as the hub. This is more because the iPad is lying around and on a pick up distance where the hub is docked. ... NOTE: What I do not understand: Why do people stick to a product which seems not to deliver what was promised. Just bring it back to the store........... In the EU it is a consumers right. But be reasonable with the remarks on a forum like this.
What I learned to do is using the iPad instead as the hub. This is more because the iPad is lying around and on a pick up distance where the hub is docked.
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Dear Carolpa,
why should I use a second Tablet like an iPad, to do what is suposed the be delivered by the BS Moment. B&O is advertising the Moment to use it with the Jukebox (Tablet) instead of a second/third device. If you use a iPad as a crutch to controll your 2000 € - Device and you are happy with it. Fine! I am not! If I would accept this, I would have bought a Essence instead of the BS Moment. There would be no reason to put something "mobile" on the Moment. Have a look on the B&O adds. They use the jukebox. They carry the Jukebox around. It seems look like a bad joke, if the solution would be: Everthing is fine, Just use a 3rd-party-product to have fun, because we can not deliver on our promisses. I am sure you wouldn't except this in other areas of your life or do you use a second computer to type something instead of the keyboard in front of your main-computer? I know it's possible (vnc or Teamviewer) but it is surely not convenient. The Jukebox of the BS Moment is suposed to be the main input device and the BS Moment should be your main Musicdevice at home, not your iPad.
MM wrote the same about the refund. That was my reply some days ago
Beroli: european customer warranty law is not everywhere. There is a "lemon law" in Singapore since 2 years and even with this soft law, it is extreme difficult to exchange a product or get your money back. I really, really like my dealer here in Singapore. He is the only one and he doing his best to serve his customers. He diddn' advertised and praised the BS moment. He had only the Informations given from B&O and trustes them too. He bought a moment for himself to test, how to use it, because the informations from B&O are very rare. these are the reasons why I can't bring the device back and demanding my money back as I could/would do it in germany. the only thing what I can do is warning other customers here and explain what troubles they might have to face, when they own this device and intend to use it as B&O had it advertised. Cheers Beroli
european customer warranty law is not everywhere. There is a "lemon law" in Singapore since 2 years and even with this soft law, it is extreme difficult to exchange a product or get your money back. I really, really like my dealer here in Singapore. He is the only one and he doing his best to serve his customers. He diddn' advertised and praised the BS moment. He had only the Informations given from B&O and trustes them too. He bought a moment for himself to test, how to use it, because the informations from B&O are very rare.
these are the reasons why I can't bring the device back and demanding my money back as I could/would do it in germany. the only thing what I can do is warning other customers here and explain what troubles they might have to face, when they own this device and intend to use it as B&O had it advertised.
Cheers Beroli
What would be a resonable remark? Hand over the Money and keep quiet? Don't complain! You can still use ut with an iPad? Really? LOL - if this wouldn't be so sad!
@Beroli, you're right about the 2nd tablet. That shouldn't be nessesary. that's why I propose to chance the UI to something simular to BeoMusic. I repeatedly noted that if used with a better UI, the Moment isn't that bad at all. The UI of the Moment itself is so,so, but it works.......but not on the easiest way.
Carolpa:@Beroli, you're right about the 2nd tablet. That shouldn't be nessesary. that's why I propose to chance the UI to something simular to BeoMusic. I repeatedly noted that if used with a better UI, the Moment isn't that bad at all. The UI of the Moment itself is so,so, but it works.......but not on the easiest way.
Carolpa: @Beroli, you're right about the 2nd tablet. That shouldn't be nessesary. that's why I propose to chance the UI to something simular to BeoMusic. I repeatedly noted that if used with a better UI, the Moment isn't that bad at all. The UI of the Moment itself is so,so, but it works.......but not on the easiest way.
Then - we found a reasonable ground. There are several ways to enjoy the BS Moment. If I see posts with screenshots from B&O like: there will be no over-all-search (NAS and Deezer) in the upcomming update - but it's on a roadmap, that make me really angry and thinking, that B&O isn't facing enough pressure from their customers or dealers to improve the UI overall. Minor changes (you will be able to search TuneIn - a almost one-time-task) won't cut it.
There are great things, about this device too. I just can not accept to be quiet on the flaws, I can not accept that I have to move completely to deezer, that I have to consolidate my music with the deezer-database. B&O should think about the users they have groomed since they started selling the BS5. There are enough positive posts about the BS Moment - even from me. As I wrote before, if B&O finally keeps up and is delivering on their Vision, I will climb mountains and start to praise them. 😇👏
StUrrock: Carolpa: @Beroli, you're right about the 2nd tablet. That shouldn't be nessesary. that's why I propose to chance the UI to something simular to BeoMusic. I repeatedly noted that if used with a better UI, the Moment isn't that bad at all. The UI of the Moment itself is so,so, but it works.......but not on the easiest way. Why not wait and just get an essence mk ii and use BeoMusic app on the tablet of your choice think the only things you'll miss from the moment (apart from the apparently rubbish tablet ) are pattern play and mood wheel
I'm waiting for the mkII. To be installed in another room. To switch from ML to NL.
(apart from the apparently rubbish tablet ) that are not my words!. The UI should change.........if this means the tablet is rubbish is something else.
StUrrock: Why not wait and just get an essence mk ii and use BeoMusic think the only things you'll miss from the moment (apart from the apparently rubbish tablet ) are pattern play and mood wheel
Why not wait and just get an essence mk ii and use BeoMusic
think the only things you'll miss from the moment (apart from the apparently rubbish tablet ) are pattern play and mood wheel
because the patternplay and the mood-wheel are the great inventions in the first place. great Idea - B&O just droped the ball on the final finish/ quality.
Raeuber is 100% correct on this one.
Aussie Michael will you never learn?
You guys want this Moment thing BECAUSE is says BANG&OLUFSEN on it. You've turned a blind eye to the damn awful internal components and overall cheapness to the device. FOUR YEARS AGO, everyone on this site was complaining about B&O software problems and four years on, here you are still.
You're blind to see that the iPad is a million miles ahead of this cheap Chinese built tablet thats stuck in a box.
You're spending all of that money because of one thing. The name on it and sadly, BANG&OLUFSEN can well and truly see that. That's why they try it on their few customers. Seriously guys, this is NOT one of B&O's better products! It's sickening how cheaply built the thing is!
Carolpa:It's my money and my choice..... If you have it your way fine! But what is your role in this discussion? without real experience you weren't that constructive in general. Just bashing?
Paul W: Raeuber is 100% correct on this one. Aussie Michael will you never learn? You guys want this Moment thing BECAUSE is says BANG&OLUFSEN on it. You've turned a blind eye to the damn awful internal components and overall cheapness to the device. FOUR YEARS AGO, everyone on this site was complaining about B&O software problems and four years on, here you are still. You're blind to see that the iPad is a million miles ahead of this cheap Chinese built tablet thats stuck in a box. You're spending all of that money because of one thing. The name on it and sadly, BANG&OLUFSEN can well and truly see that. That's why they try it on their few customers. Seriously guys, this is NOT one of B&O's better products! It's sickening how cheaply built the thing is!
About the name on it...... You are completely right!
But isn't that the same with some of you also? If the name starts with "A", it is divine. On a level which is way beyond my appreciation of B&o.
And don't start the Apple discussion again. We posses sMac's, iPads etc.
Carolpa:How much time did you spent with this product? I dare to say that I have more knowledge and experience with it. About the name on it...... You are completely right! But isn't that the same with some of you also? If the name starts with "A", it is divine. On a level which is way beyond my appreciation of B&o. And don't start the Apple discussion again. We posses sMac's, iPads etc.
Some advert that continues to convince me of the feature potential for the Moment.
Just got an advert from B&O Play with an offer to buy the A2 and get a free 3 month subscription to Tidal HIFI !
Will Tidal HIFI soon appear on the Moment also ???
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Paul W: You guys want this Moment thing BECAUSE is says BANG&OLUFSEN on it. You've turned a blind eye to the damn awful internal components and overall cheapness to the device. FOUR YEARS AGO, everyone on this site was complaining about B&O software problems and four years on, here you are still.
Of course I bought it because it had B&O on it. I do not want any of the other me too products. Like Apple B&O have a certain continuity in product design that I like. To me the MOment is both a sound system and furniture. I want it to do both well. It just needs to UI fixed to allow it to be its best. I agree that one quick fix would be to allow the BeoMusic App to operate natively on the Moment -perhaps as an option or as a screen.This would, as has akready been suggested, solve most of the issues in one fell swoop.
To my mind what is needed is:
A "now playing" screen
Voliume control display.
Search by Artist, Album, Song title and perhaps even Genre.
Tighter control over Artist page - I do not want a load of Artists that Deezer thinks I should have cluttering my listings i.e. not in my Music or my Playlists, and whom I have no idea who they are.
Proper Album Cover display as BS5
User controlled Artist images - an Artist.jpg in the enclosing Artist folder would do the trick.
Bluetooth keyboard option as with Apple TV to allow for quick entry of search details
Get Main selection screen to reflect current now playing setup.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Mood wheel or Patternplay - it the more basic stuff that requires fixing. All software so definitely possible.
Chris: Some advert that continues to convince me of the feature potential for the Moment. Just got an advert from B&O Play with an offer to buy the A2 and get a free 3 month subscription to Tidal HIFI ! Will Tidal HIFI soon appear on the Moment also ???
If - or maybe when - Tidal would allow for multiple streams at the same time from one account, Tidal would be a possible cooperator for the Moment.
But since Deezer is the only company, that allows for this (and this is important for the 'multiroom'-use), we are 'stuck with' Deezer.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
This is what I'm doing since many years, but without the Moment:
Buy an Apple TV, Airport Express or Playmaker, use your IPad with Spotify, ITunes or whatever music (streaming) service you like and just have fun!
Sorry, but that is not what you are doing!
When you choose something to listen to from the Moment or from the BeoMusic app (via the interface), the playback on the connected speakers/connected BV starts immidiately.
This is the beauty of the BS Moment and/or the B&O BeoMusic-app - they are integrated parts of the B&O setup.
However, if this 'magic' is not that important to you, there is no reason for you to change your behaviour.
Just keep on pushing buttons and change apps on a device, that you often have to unlock, before it can be used - it is your choice.
Maybe, when the 'multiroom'-update is rolled out, you will see, what you miss by clinging to thirdparty devices and apps.
Millemissen:we are 'stuck with' Deezer.
The subject is not that we are stuck with Deezer, the subject is: this could be the first sign of a coming future cooperation with Tidal also.
Chris: Millemissen:we are 'stuck with' Deezer. The subject is not that we are stuck with Deezer, the subject is: this could be the first sign of a coming future cooperation with Tidal also.
I'd hope too, but this is just hoping - Deezer is reality!
propaganda: To my mind what is needed is: A "now playing" screen as in the BeoMusic UI Voliume control display. as in the BeoMusic UI Search by Artist, Album, Song title and perhaps even Genre. as in the BeoMusic UI (Genre isn't available) Tighter control over Artist page - I do not want a load of Artists that Deezer thinks I should have cluttering my listings i.e. not in my Music or my Playlists, and whom I have no idea who they are. Proper Album Cover display as BS5 as in the BeoMusic UI User controlled Artist images - an Artist.jpg in the enclosing Artist folder would do the trick. completely true; I proposed it to B&o some months ago Bluetooth keyboard option as with Apple TV to allow for quick entry of search details Get Main selection screen to reflect current now playing setup. as in the BeoMusic UI There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Mood wheel or Patternplay - it the more basic stuff that requires fixing. All software so definitely possible.
A "now playing" screen as in the BeoMusic UI
Voliume control display. as in the BeoMusic UI
Search by Artist, Album, Song title and perhaps even Genre. as in the BeoMusic UI (Genre isn't available)
Proper Album Cover display as BS5 as in the BeoMusic UI
User controlled Artist images - an Artist.jpg in the enclosing Artist folder would do the trick. completely true; I proposed it to B&o some months ago
Get Main selection screen to reflect current now playing setup. as in the BeoMusic UI
It looks Tidal is partnering on a fast schedule with the launch of TIDAL HIFI in the US and UK, they even already partnered with McIntosch & Amarra. B&O would not give a free 90 days abo if there is no interest on both sites. It could be, we won't have to renew the Deezer 12 month abo next year for the Moment, but have a choice. It's all a matter of updates...
What are the benefits against Deezer?
koning: What are the benefits against Deezer?
Tidal (with Tidal HiFi) offers lossless 16/44.1 (=CD) quality.
Deezer does not - yet!
P.S. But do remember: having e.g. 3 lossless streams at the same time, requires much more download bandwith that 3 lossy streams.
No problem for some people, but a problem to others.
Millemissen:Sorry, but that is not what you are doing! When you choose something to listen to from the Moment or from the BeoMusic app (via the interface), the playback on the connected speakers/connected BV starts immidiately. This is the beauty of the BS Moment and/or the B&O BeoMusic-app - they are integrated parts of the B&O setup. However, if this 'magic' is not that important to you, there is no reason for you to change your behaviour. Just keep on pushing buttons and change apps on a device, that you often have to unlock, before it can be used - it is your choice. Maybe, when the 'multiroom'-update is rolled out, you will see, what you miss by clinging to thirdparty devices and apps. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Aussie Michael:Beroli (Oliver) all of your suggestions are excellent. I can't agree more about the swiping backwards to go forwards. Very odd. I think it was Chris T that said this too ages ago.
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Hiort:Actually, I think it makes sense the way it's implemented. When you swipe to next page in eg. an ebook in iPad, you do a right to left swipe. Same when you jump between pages in the browser. Would actually dare to say it's a standard way of implementing a jump to the next thing in a UI. Happy owner of: BV11 46", NL/ML Converter, 2 x Beocom 2, Beocom 6000, Beosound Moment, Beolab 3, Beolab 2000, BeoremoteOne, Beolab 11, Beolab 3500, 2 x Beolit 12
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Seanie_230:I think you may have just make me realise why when I swipe from left to right the song starts again rather than going to the next track.
Hiort: Aussie Michael: Beroli (Oliver) all of your suggestions are excellent. I can't agree more about the swiping backwards to go forwards. Very odd. I think it was Chris T that said this too ages ago. Actually, I think it makes sense the way it's implemented. When you swipe to next page in eg. an ebook in iPad, you do a right to left swipe. Same when you jump between pages in the browser. Would actually dare to say it's a standard way of implementing a jump to the next thing in a UI.
Aussie Michael: Beroli (Oliver) all of your suggestions are excellent. I can't agree more about the swiping backwards to go forwards. Very odd. I think it was Chris T that said this too ages ago.
Beroli (Oliver) all of your suggestions are excellent. I can't agree more about the swiping backwards to go forwards. Very odd. I think it was Chris T that said this too ages ago.
Actually, I think it makes sense the way it's implemented.
When you swipe to next page in eg. an ebook in iPad, you do a right to left swipe.
Same when you jump between pages in the browser.
Would actually dare to say it's a standard way of implementing a jump to the next thing in a UI.
I already wrote that pages ago - and I did not receive a medal on that statement
Raeuber: Millemissen: Sorry, but that is not what you are doing! When you choose something to listen to from the Moment or from the BeoMusic app (via the interface), the playback on the connected speakers/connected BV starts immidiately. This is the beauty of the BS Moment and/or the B&O BeoMusic-app - they are integrated parts of the B&O setup. However, if this 'magic' is not that important to you, there is no reason for you to change your behaviour. Just keep on pushing buttons and change apps on a device, that you often have to unlock, before it can be used - it is your choice. Maybe, when the 'multiroom'-update is rolled out, you will see, what you miss by clinging to thirdparty devices and apps. MM. When playing with the Moment it took more time with Moment-Deezer than with AppleTV-IPad-Spotify when I started a song until I heard this song. Räuber
Millemissen: Sorry, but that is not what you are doing! When you choose something to listen to from the Moment or from the BeoMusic app (via the interface), the playback on the connected speakers/connected BV starts immidiately. This is the beauty of the BS Moment and/or the B&O BeoMusic-app - they are integrated parts of the B&O setup. However, if this 'magic' is not that important to you, there is no reason for you to change your behaviour. Just keep on pushing buttons and change apps on a device, that you often have to unlock, before it can be used - it is your choice. Maybe, when the 'multiroom'-update is rolled out, you will see, what you miss by clinging to thirdparty devices and apps. MM.
MM.
When playing with the Moment it took more time with Moment-Deezer than with AppleTV-IPad-Spotify when I started a song until I heard this song.
I would probably have had exactly the same problem as you, if I had tried it.
However - and I know that Beroli won't agree on that - I knew from the start, that this is not, what I should expect from interfacing with the device.
As I have written many times before, searching is not the primary function of the Moment.
The MoodWheel is the primary function. Through using the MoodWheel you feed the PatternPlay function with informations on what you like to hear and when.
Searching definitely is there, but as the second layer in the interface, which was clear to me right from the start. It may be improved soon, but it will still be the second layer.
I did not opt for the Moment for myself exactly for that reason. I am a bit like you = I like to search for the content, i want to hear, and I don't need a device, that serves me with music for the 'right mood'.
BUT I know very well, that this is the way, that a lot of users nowadays want to enjoy music - which is fine.
Those (Moment owners), who want to do some deeper searching, can use the BeoMusic app and - in addition - (soon) control their 'multiroom'-setup from there.
Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay!
The difference between you and me is, that I accept this, and that I salute B&O for making a device, that suits the needs of a lot of people.
You don't accept that!
On the contrary - you curse B&O (and the management) because, they did not offer the device, you want.
This is not a device, that will suit everybody (especially not us nerdy Beoworlders), and it surely is not a 'swiss-knife media player'.
It is a 'music butler', a fine one.
If you like that - buy it. If you don't - leave it.
Simple as that!
Millemissen: The difference between you and me is, that I accept this, and that I salute B&O for making a device, that suits the needs of a lot of people. You don't accept that! On the contrary - you curse B&O (and the management) because, they did not offer the device, you want. This is not a device, that will suit everybody (especially not us nerdy Beoworlders), and it surely is not a 'swiss-knife media player'. It is a 'music butler', a fine one. If you like that - buy it. If you don't - leave it. Simple as that! MM
So you salute B&O for creating a device that you did not want, but ridicule everyone else who actually did want the device, bought it and but found it to be wanting. Your logic defies description.
There is no rational reason that the Moment cannot be all things to all men other than ineptness on the part of the UI designers.
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Millemissen: .... However - and I know that Beroli won't agree on that - I knew from the start, that this is not, what I should expect from interfacing with the device. As I have written many times before, searching is not the primary function of the Moment. The MoodWheel is the primary function. Through using the MoodWheel you feed the PatternPlay function with informations on what you like to hear and when. Searching definitely is there, but as the second layer in the interface, which was clear to me right from the start. It may be improved soon, but it will still be the second layer. I did not opt for the Moment for myself exactly for that reason. I am a bit like you = I like to search for the content, i want to hear, and I don't need a device, that serves me with music for the 'right mood'. ... Those (Moment owners), who want to do some deeper searching, can use the BeoMusic app and - in addition - (soon) control their 'multiroom'-setup from there. Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay! .... It is a 'music butler', a fine one. If you like that - buy it. If you don't - leave it. Simple as that! MM
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The MoodWheel is the primary function. Through using the MoodWheel you feed the PatternPlay function with informations on what you like to hear and when. Searching definitely is there, but as the second layer in the interface, which was clear to me right from the start. It may be improved soon, but it will still be the second layer.
Those (Moment owners), who want to do some deeper searching, can use the BeoMusic app and - in addition - (soon) control their 'multiroom'-setup from there. Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay!
It is a 'music butler', a fine one. If you like that - buy it. If you don't - leave it. Simple as that!
Dear MM,
I wrote, that the way you have to swipe to the next title, sfeels awkward to ME, some agreed, i don't need medals on my comments. The explaination from Hiort, why it is like it is right now (turning pages..., webbrowser) - never thought of this. For me it was more like button on the left/right on a Musicsystem. But I can adapt- so I am fine, if they don't change this function.
But since you won't stop, explaining the Moment and the philosophy behind, I had to copy my own statement about the search-function and your "fine Music-Butler-theory"
Beroli: @ MM this is really a selective view of you. ... just one disappointment about the lousy implemented Search-Function is enough for you, to tell someone that this Device is not for him. ... There is no need for a history lesson about MOTS. I don´t complain about MOTS, the great "music-butler"-function, Design, ... Let´s ... talk about promises and facts. Maybe you should have a look on the youtube-Video ("The concept behind BeoSound Moment)" from B&O. B&O UX concept designer Lyle Clarke explain the concept and thoughts that went into designing BeoSound Moment. ... As you can see on the Video, our "music-butler" (man - I really like this phrase) can serve us from 3 different Sources - from your stockpile of music on your NAS/Server/Mac..., from the cloud (Deezer, TuneIn) and finally he can serve us a mixture of both. Therefore you can find on the "Mood-Wheel" 3 Zones. If you are telling me that the Server-Function is not a main part of the BeoSound Moment, then you can stop reading. ... A good Butler knows what you want. But to do his job right, you will need to teach him in which mood you are right now. Since there is no listening device in the BS Moment you will need a proper search-function to express your needs. And if you know that your special need is only in your local Source, you will have to point him in the right direction. Therefore I totally disagree with you, that the search-function is not a basic, fundamental function. This is the only way to "tell" the "chief manservant of music" in which mood you are, so "he" can learn your "pattern" for the future and to serve us better. Currently we don´t have a proper search. Trying to explain what we want to hear, is like playing Charade. But instead of starting with the first word - we start with "One!" Capital. That´s all! Nothing more or less! Afterwards I have to go trough the whole stockpile - by Artist, by Album, by Title - and point on the desired. If this procedure is so tiresome, as it is right now, you will stop to "explain". In the End your "Butler" will serve you in the future something mediocre, but not anything in your mood. The pattern-play will become a farce. I agree with you, when our "music-Butler" (for the last time ;-)) knows our pattern, we should not bother anymore, from which source/stock he delivers - the main search function will "step-down" to a secondary function. But - until this revolutionary B&O-Vision - pattern-play - will work properly, it needs time and above all it needs the right tools - like a modern search function across all sources - to reach the goal, when the concept behind BeoSound Moment will be true. Cheers Beroli
@ MM
this is really a selective view of you. ... just one disappointment about the lousy implemented Search-Function is enough for you, to tell someone that this Device is not for him. ... There is no need for a history lesson about MOTS. I don´t complain about MOTS, the great "music-butler"-function, Design, ...
Let´s ... talk about promises and facts. Maybe you should have a look on the youtube-Video ("The concept behind BeoSound Moment)" from B&O. B&O UX concept designer Lyle Clarke explain the concept and thoughts that went into designing BeoSound Moment. ...
As you can see on the Video, our "music-butler" (man - I really like this phrase) can serve us from 3 different Sources - from your stockpile of music on your NAS/Server/Mac..., from the cloud (Deezer, TuneIn) and finally he can serve us a mixture of both. Therefore you can find on the "Mood-Wheel" 3 Zones. If you are telling me that the Server-Function is not a main part of the BeoSound Moment, then you can stop reading.
... A good Butler knows what you want. But to do his job right, you will need to teach him in which mood you are right now. Since there is no listening device in the BS Moment you will need a proper search-function to express your needs. And if you know that your special need is only in your local Source, you will have to point him in the right direction. Therefore I totally disagree with you, that the search-function is not a basic, fundamental function. This is the only way to "tell" the "chief manservant of music" in which mood you are, so "he" can learn your "pattern" for the future and to serve us better.
Currently we don´t have a proper search. Trying to explain what we want to hear, is like playing Charade. But instead of starting with the first word - we start with "One!" Capital. That´s all! Nothing more or less! Afterwards I have to go trough the whole stockpile - by Artist, by Album, by Title - and point on the desired. If this procedure is so tiresome, as it is right now, you will stop to "explain". In the End your "Butler" will serve you in the future something mediocre, but not anything in your mood. The pattern-play will become a farce.
I agree with you, when our "music-Butler" (for the last time ;-)) knows our pattern, we should not bother anymore, from which source/stock he delivers - the main search function will "step-down" to a secondary function. But - until this revolutionary B&O-Vision - pattern-play - will work properly, it needs time and above all it needs the right tools - like a modern search function across all sources - to reach the goal, when the concept behind BeoSound Moment will be true.
open for discussion,
since you won't provide a explaination, how you - or in your wisdom B&O - intendends to "comunicate" with the "fine - music - butler" without a proper search function to "teach" your Mood and to create a music-pattern.
Just pressing some colored areas from the very first start on, ends in endless backwards swiping or in experiences like this:
i am feeling - red - oh thats not my mood, this neither, this song isn't even close to my mood, why is this song in a red area, lets try the search, - damn - i have searched Zucchero before - just wait I will swipe forward until my fingers are bleeding to get to the f**** search before A. Forget it. Lets use a iPad - after i had a discussion with the family - why they have to hand one of their devices over, because B&O did such a " great job with a basic function" Where is my iPhone - ah in the docking station - empty again...
So could you please stop telling us owners, that we should use the iPad instead of demanding a better basic function. In other cases you tell the complete oposite - like the Moment (i agree) should be the main input, not the iPad/Phone...
Chris Townsend:"Focusing on a search function on that particular device, would contradict the simplicity of 'moodwheeling' and letting the device serve you through PatternPlay!" If you don't search, how does it work out pattern play?
If you don't search, how does it work out pattern play?
You use the MoodWheel!
@beroli
You may use the device the way you want to - I don't care, really.
If it pleases you, you should be fine.
However - what I read in your comments - it doesn't please you.
But you still like it, and I wonder why?
I guess we have made our points on the previous pages - time to let other owners/users and future buyers decide how they want to use the device.
Whilst all this debate over there virtues or the moment goes on (or not!) does anyone have any ideas as to how well it is actually doing in terms of sales?
Ultimately that is going to define the legacy of the thing.
Ben
How many choices are left mm!
koning: How many choices are left mm!
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