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Beocord 1500 type 4113 reel-to-reel

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chartz Posted: Sat, Apr 25 2015 1:26 PM

Hello,

Look at what arrived at my home yesterday!

It was very dirty, didn't look too good at all.

A Beocord 1500, not de Luxe, two track. It has the rewind belt, like Søren's BC  2000. The VU-meters are silver, not black, which seems to be less common. Perhaps it is one of the first?

The service manual is not on Beoworld.

Also, it has two white heads, one is the erase head. What is the other one then?

I like to make things clean before doing anything else, so here's the result after 3 hours. The black base, not seen here, will have to be sanded and painted, as I did with my Beocord 2400 last year.

The head-cover logo is missing. The glue is staying Big Smile

 

 

Jacques

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elephant replied on Sat, Apr 25 2015 1:44 PM
You are so lucky !

And a good start on the restoration pathSmile

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chartz replied on Sat, Apr 25 2015 1:53 PM

This is an old project. This was given to me three years ago, but I had completely forgotten about it. The owner's daughter asked me only two weeks ago if I still wanted it! So I arranged for collection Smile

The mysterious head - found it in the manual!

Jacques

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A schoolmate had one of these back in those days.

We used to take it with us - to class - to play back, what we had recorded from the radio:

Brian Poole and the Tremeloes, The Kinks, the early Beatles and all that stuff.

Those were the days (a Mary Hopkins song, by the way).

Have fun with your new toy Smile

MM

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Dave Farr replied on Sat, Apr 25 2015 2:36 PM

Millemissen:

A schoolmate had one of these back in those days.

We used to take it with us - to class - to play back, what we had recorded from the radio:

Brian Poole and the Tremeloes, The Kinks, the early Beatles and all that stuff.

Those were the days (a Mary Hopkins song, by the way).

Have fun with your new toy Smile

MM

'Those were the days my friend' - indeed.  We thought they'd never end!  But then along came Apple and the digital revolution rather than the vinyl revolution.

Another nice piece to restore Jacques.

Dave.

 

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In between came the age of the compact cassettes Stick out tongue

'Compact, baby compact......'

MBig SmileM

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chartz replied on Sat, Apr 25 2015 2:48 PM

Millemissen:

In between came the age of the compact cassettes Stick out tongue

'Compact, baby compact......'

MBig SmileM

Don't you love those too? 

 

Jacques

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chartz replied on Sat, Apr 25 2015 2:50 PM

Dave Farr:

Another nice piece to restore Jacques.

What about yours, Dave? Cool

 

Jacques

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chartz:

Millemissen:

In between came the age of the compact cassettes Stick out tongue

'Compact, baby compact......'

MBig SmileM

Don't you love those too? 

You mean the Equals/Eddie Grant, who had a hit with the 'Baby, Come Back'-song Cool

Well probably not....

The CC cost me so much time then - recording, recording every album you could get your hands on. It became an obsession!

Never managed to listen to it all.

MM

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chartz replied on Sat, Apr 25 2015 3:11 PM

Millemissen:

Never managed to listen to it all.

I know. I still have the tapes. Surprise

Jacques

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Dillen replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 7:21 AM

Very nice.

And actually a rare deck!
The Deluxe model was by far the most common. It has the black VU meters.
The non-Deluxe model has silver VU meters and despite the glue remains on your head cover, I am almost sure it
has no logo there. I will have to check it to be absolutely sure, though.

Martin

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Dillen replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 7:22 AM

Found it.
No logo.

Martin

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valve1 replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 7:50 AM

chartz:

Look at what arrived at my home yesterday!

It was very dirty, didn't look too good at all.

Nice one Chartz Yes - thumbs up

 

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Dave Farr replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 9:22 AM

chartz:
What about yours, Dave? Cool

I have a BC1600 and BC2000.  I haven't got a BC1500.

A nice find for your collection Jacques.

Dave.

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chartz replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 9:36 AM

Dillen:

Found it. No logo.

Thanks for the information Martin Idea

Hello Dave and Eddie!

Dave, I know you don't have a 1500, but have you made your open reel Beocords work yet?

Jacques

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Dave Farr replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 9:51 AM

chartz:
Dave, I know you don't have a 1500, but have you made your open reel Beocords work yet?

With travelling back and fro to the UK almost weekly to sort out my father's problems, I haven't time to do anything!  Apart from buying more stuff that is.  Our house and land is time consuming as you've seen, especially at this time of year.

My next foray will be a drive up to see Martin (Dillen) to collect some MS150 speakers and take the Beocord U84 for him to restore.  I'll also see what other goodies he may be persuaded to part with!

Dave.

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chartz replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 9:55 AM

Dave Farr:

My next foray will be a drive up to see Martin (Dillen) to collect some MS150 speakers ...

Oh, you bought those! Surprise Well done! Do you have a working Beomaster 8000?

A trip to Martin's... Wow! Please take plenty of pictures when you are there!

Sorry about your dad.

 

Jacques

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chartz replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 12:01 PM

Base black again. Smile

 

The missing paint on each side is due to years of putting the lid back on carelessly. I'll have to correct that.

Jacques

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Dave Farr replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 1:52 PM

chartz:

Oh, you bought those! Surprise Well done! Do you have a working Beomaster 8000?

A trip to Martin's... Wow! Please take plenty of pictures when you are there!

Sorry about your dad.

Yes, I couldn't resist a pair of MS150's.  Especially compared to the €800 plus ones I've seen on sale recently!  It gives me a chance to finally visit Martin and his collection/repair shop.  As for a BM8000.  I have one in superb cosmetic state but have only partially tried it out so far.  It does work, but how much, I don't know yet.  It will need some work - they all do!

Dave.

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chartz replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 4:46 PM

Dillen:

Found it.
No logo.

Look here:  http://youtu.be/iREk9QNqePw  

Was it added then?

Jacques

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Dillen replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 6:29 PM

On the Beocord 1500 Deluxe the logo is printed on the head cover.
I shalln't say, that the glued on logo is definitely wrong, there were lots of production changes
going on elsewhere all the time but I never before saw one that was glued on like this.
What I HAVE seen though is plenty of Beogram 1000 B&O logos glued onto almost anything B&O (and also non-B&O).

The remains of the blob of glue on your head cover doesn't seem to sit centered, does it ?

Søren Mexico has a Beocord 2000 with what seems to be a home-colored logo :
http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/12089.aspx (a bit down)

And this Beocord 2000 bears a similar logo but, being a Dynaco version, I believe it shouldn't have it at all.
http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://museumofmagneticsoundrecording.org/images/R2R/BangOlufsenDynacoBeocord2000.jpg&imgrefurl=http://museumofmagneticsoundrecording.org/RecordersBangAndOlufsen.html&h=552&w=736&tbnid=GvC3j3ksfb-o7M:&zoom=1&docid=vy1KqPGMOb48tM&ei=bx49VdLyOMGwsQHNoIHgBw&tbm=isch&ved=0CCUQMygIMAg

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chartz replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 7:41 PM

Perhaps it was a fashion back then!

Were the logos available separately anyway?

Okay, so I just need the black caps over the slack absorbers.

The glue has slightly melted the paint underneath unfortunately. Same glue as used to secure the felt pads and the joints under the silver plate.

Jacques

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Ben_S replied on Sun, Apr 26 2015 10:25 PM

Great find Jacques! Love rare things like this. Martin kindly provided me with a spare slack absorber cover for my BC1100. It is now complete!

i have recently done some work cosmetically to my Beocord 1800 including the wood surround and spraying the black base as well. Interesting to see how this thread develops!

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 9:26 AM

Today, I am going to fire it up after a few static checks.I don't want the VU-meters to burn - or anything else for that matter!

First things first, the rectifier diodes. Then, reservoir caps, etc.

The fuse holder had a green oxide all over it. It cleaned away fine, and I replaced the fuse with a new 630 mA one. 

 

Jacques

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 11:22 AM

The beast has been opened...

The mechanics share a lot (everything?) with Søren's Beocord 2000.

The rewind section has a belt that rubs against the motor pulley. This is a funny arrangement, but it works just fine. The belt is fine, after all these years.

Which was not the case for the two counter belts. The one you see here is the new one. The other one was just broken. It is very difficult to photograph where it is.

The regulated PSU. No silicon here!

Routine cleaning odd contacts with ISP...

Jacques

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 11:37 AM

Now time for a switch-on!

Well, it turns out everything is fine! What is more, it is much more silent that my Beocord 2400.  All functions work as they should, at least mechanically.

More later, lunchtime!

https://youtu.be/f8mfScM73dk

 

 

Jacques

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 4:37 PM

Just a quick test - no sound Angry

Let's have a look at the diagram. Oh no, yet another funny DIN cable is required. Worse, two separate cables are needed to record and replay. The LINE socket is for replay only. 

Why on earth did they do that? Confused 

I'll have to fabricate another cable for this unit, which I hate. Sad

Jacques

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Dave Farr replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 4:39 PM

You didn't really think it was going to be that easy did you Jacques?

Dave.

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 4:50 PM

Dave Farr:

You didn't really think it was going to be that easy did you Jacques?

Dave.

Big Smile Of course not. It never is. But I will have to go to the shop in Besançon to buy the DINs.

Jacques

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 5:23 PM

Ahem... No excuse!

 

 

Jacques

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chartz:
Ahem... No excuse!

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 5:36 PM

Søren Mexico:

chartz:
Ahem... No excuse!

PIB

Mmm... Solder on, Jacques.

 

Jacques

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 6:32 PM

 

As you can see, it records, but the CD player overloads the radio input badly. I'll have to attenuate it a lot. As a result, the recording is bad of course. Replay of an existing tape is fine though.

Temporary conclusion for today, it is alive, not kicking yet! 

 

Jacques

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chartz replied on Mon, Apr 27 2015 7:06 PM

 Idea Tomorrow I'll try to record radio from the Beomaster 1000! If the test is satisfactory, I'll tackle the electronics (new caps mainly).

Jacques

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chartz replied on Tue, Apr 28 2015 9:48 AM

Connected to BM1000. No go.

What is so special in this type 0961014 adapter both brochures mention? 

Jacques

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Dave Farr replied on Tue, Apr 28 2015 10:19 AM

chartz:

Connected to BM1000. No go.

What is so special in this type 0961014 adapter both brochures mention? 

It makes it work!

Sorry Jacques.  That cable is mentioned in most Beocenter manuals as the one needed for the TP.  I have no idea what's special about it.  Have you not got a spare from another RtoR player you have?

Maybe Steve at Sounds Heavenly will know?

I suspect you need one of these: http://soundsheavenly.com/input/13--5pd-5pd-.html

Best of luck,

Dave.

 

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chartz replied on Tue, Apr 28 2015 10:28 AM

I tried the TP1 cable I've got. Those have inverted connections, and I've got one that works with my BC2400 RTR on my Beolab 5000. Not compatible here. A plain, straight DIN cable doesn't work either. I still need two cables.

Jacques

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chartz replied on Wed, Apr 29 2015 9:13 AM

Small test!

Jacques

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chartz replied on Wed, Apr 29 2015 9:54 AM

Yet another one.

Jacques

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chartz replied on Wed, Apr 29 2015 1:35 PM

Today's little adventure.

 

I did a lot of switching-on/off today, until the fuse decided to melt after a rather ominous very short hum from the transformer. What now?

 

It turned out that one of the Mullard BYZ13 germanium rectifiers had just given up the ghost Angry

 

 

 

 

I decided to replace both diodes with modern silicon BYW17. No other harm done.

Back to business. Phew! Wink

A problem of this machine is that all the head and tape guide adjustments don't use springs, but rubber cushions. Trouble is, the rubber has become hard, and this makes any alignment virtually impossible (I wanted to adjust back-to-front tilt). It is clear why tilt is slightly off: rubber height has reduced.

 

A definite flaw.

 

Jacques

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