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Anyone else using the BeoRemote One (BR1) in Beo4 mode ?

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elephant Posted: Sun, May 10 2015 5:12 AM

My recent addi(c)ion of the rose-gold Anniversary edition of the BeoRemote One is driving me nuts.

So I am looking for fellow sufferers, or advice/diagnosis that I am truly a singular nutcase !

Two issues:

a) in the main video master room when driving the Apple TV on a BV8-40 I can't seem to have / find the equivalent of the Apple Remote's MENU key that takes you up the memory hierarchy

b) in the link / slave video room I can not seem to get my PRODUCT OPTION settings right so that I can receive AUDIO over our BeoLink Wireless Ones.  I have tried a variety of V.OPT and A.OPT settings and I am getting confused as to whether the BR1 needs to be in Beo4 Audio mode, Beo4 Video mode, Beo4 AV mode, or Beo4 LINK mode !

Any advice on the above would be appreciated.

Any other experiences / frustrations would be interesting.

Thank you !

Over to Sal, Vienna, MM, Philippe, or whomever ! 

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Raeuber replied on Sun, May 10 2015 11:08 AM
Hi Elephant,

first of all two questions:

1. How did you use 'Apple remote's MENU key' with Beo4?

2. Did you set BV 8 to 'Beo4 with navigation button'?

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elephant replied on Sun, May 10 2015 1:25 PM
Thanks Raeuber !

1. [EXIT] button

2. Idea Idea Idea what a great idea ! I shall experiment in the morning - thank you again.

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Pardon me for asking:

What does the 'Menu' button on the Apple Remote bring about?

I have never used that remote, since both my ATV's were PUC'ed from day one.

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Raeuber replied on Sun, May 10 2015 4:19 PM
Hi MM,

with MENU button on Apple Remote you go back in the menues.

On Beo4 without navi button you use EXIT for this and on Beo4 with navi button (and also BR One) it's the BACK button.

If you have an actual PUC list for Apple Remote installed, you can also use the GREEN button for MENU. And if you press GREEN long, you go back to the main menue of ATV.

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Thanks Räuber,

was that all?

I use the 'Back button', so I've missed nothing Unsure

'Back' is a logical choice, when you want to go back!

Thanks for the tip with long-pressing of the Green button - although I seldom would need that.

I mostly airplay to my ATV's. The actual userinface is just used once in a while for Netflix (not much of interest there!)....and when the Apple events come on.

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Raeuber replied on Sun, May 10 2015 7:11 PM
Millemissen:

I mostly airplay to my ATV's. The actual userinface is just used once in a while for Netflix (not much of interest there!)....and when the Apple events come on.

MM

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Me too!

In most cases I press AV-VMEM for airplay my music, so I don't need a menue at all.

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elephant replied on Sun, May 10 2015 11:59 PM
Good morning !

Thanks for the Beo4 suggestion Raeuber.

I put the BV8-40 into Beo4 navigation button mode and it worked beautifully!

And thanks for the green dot suggestions (short and long) -- I will test them later.

It's interesting how we have three different use patterns for a "simple" $69 black box !

I/we use it the Apple TV far more in its native mode for:

- Vimeo (maybe once a month)

- ITunes movies (mainly rentals, at least once a week; and now maybe more as we have stopped subscribing to FOX movies, diverting the funds into NETFLIX)

- iTunes TV shows (at least once a week)

- trailers (almost daily, I am a movie nut !)

- iTunes Radio (usually on the weekend, hopefully soon to be revamped and be made available to more than US & AU)

- NetFlex (MM ! What about "House of Cards" ?)

We tend to use AirPlay for:

- Music

- YouTube

- Home Movies (a growth area having bought a GoPro Hero)

- free to air catch up (FOX IQ2 is a new option that we have not got into the habit of using)

- most recently mirroring of hand held iPhone games to the delight of our grandson who loves playing the games his uncles made Smile

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Sal replied on Mon, May 11 2015 1:29 AM

Raeuber:

On Beo4 without navi button you use EXIT for this and on Beo4 with navi button (and also BR One) it's the BACK button.

If you have an actual PUC list for Apple Remote installed, you can also use the GREEN button for MENU. And if you press GREEN long, you go back to the main menue of ATV.

 

Rauber, I just tested the short and long presses with my Beo4 (navi) and my BV11. The TV was in Beo4/5/6 mode, and the PUC I used was the most current Apple Remote PUC. Green doesn't do anything differently with a long press. It acts as MENU / BACK short or long. I'm wondering if you have a slightly different setup.

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Sal replied on Mon, May 11 2015 1:33 AM

elephant:
And thanks for the green dot suggestions (short and long) -- I will test them later.

Please let us know if you get the short / long Green presses to work.

elephant:
It's interesting how we have three different use patterns for a "simple" $69 black box !

My Apple TV is mostly used for the following:

NETFLIX

Vimeo (I usually LIKE videos I see online, and watch them later from the ATV) 

Watch Video Podcasts natively which are subscribed through the Apple TV Podcasts section

Hulu Plus for reruns and sitcom watching (currently, I'm binge watching Parks and Recreation never having watched the series when it was on television)

And lastly (equal parts listen to music, watch movies from my MACs and NAS)

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elephant replied on Mon, May 11 2015 4:27 AM
Sal:

elephant:

And thanks for the green dot suggestions (short and long) -- I will test them later.

I could not get the BV8-40 in Beo4-Navi mode to accept either short greens or long greens Sad

As for NETFLIX I know the Balkanised nature of TV rights management means every country's list will be different, but here is today's New Releases in Australia as an FYI ....

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BeoMotion replied on Mon, May 11 2015 8:03 AM

elephant:
I could not get the BV8-40 in Beo4-Navi mode to accept either short greens or long greens

Hi,

[EXIT] on "old" Beo4 is equal to [long BACK] on "new" Beo4 in mode 1 (navigation cursor mode). 
I wonder if the same goes for the BR1 in Beo4 mode. Never tried this... 

BR,
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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 8:49 AM
BeoMotion:

Hi,

[EXIT] on "old" Beo4 is equal to [long BACK] on "new" Beo4 in mode 1 (navigation cursor mode). I wonder if the same goes for the BR1 in Beo4 mode. Never tried this...

BR, BeoMotion

Yes, 'long BACK' also works on BR One. But not with Apple TV, there you have to use 'long GREEN'.

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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 8:59 AM
Sal:

Rauber, I just tested the short and long presses with my Beo4 (navi) and my BV11. The TV was in Beo4/5/6 mode, and the PUC I used was the most current Apple Remote PUC. Green doesn't do anything differently with a long press. It acts as MENU / BACK short or long. I'm wondering if you have a slightly different setup.

I guess it doesn't depend on the remote and/or Beovision whether GREEN and 'long GREEN' work with Apple TV, but on the PUC version of 'Apple Remote'.

On my BV 10 I have 'Apple Remote V. 2.00a' installed and there the GREEN button doesn't work. But on my BV 7 with V. 2.60a it works. And also the YELLOW button that works like PLAY.

And if I press MENU on Beo4, there is a little menue shown on top left of the screen.

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BeoMotion replied on Mon, May 11 2015 9:01 AM

Raeuber:
Yes, 'long BACK' also works on BR One. But not with Apple TV, there you have to use 'long GREEN'.

That is strange. "long BACK" and "EXIT" should both execute the same IR command on the B&O side.
So if EXIT on an older Beo4 works for triggering the MENU command on ATV "long BACK" should give you the same experience. 

BR,
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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 9:02 AM
Here is the little menue:

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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 9:04 AM
BeoMotion:

That is strange. "long BACK" and "EXIT" should both execute the same IR command. So if EXIT on an older Beo4 works for triggering the MENU command on ATV "long BACK" should give you the same experience. BR, BeoMotion.

'long BACK' doesn't work with Apple TV because it is not supported by the PUC of APPLE REMOTE!
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BeoMotion replied on Mon, May 11 2015 9:13 AM

Raeuber:
'long BACK' doesn't work with Apple TV because it is not supported by the PUC of APPLE REMOTE!

This is independent of the PUC code. "long BACK" will send out exactly the same IR code out of your Beo4 like the EXIT button on the older Beo4.
So if you use a PUC that does something if you press the EXIT button it will do the same if you press "long BACK".
Of course this will only work if your TV is in "NON-NAVIGATION-MODE" but your remote in mode 1 (navigation activated).

So this should be the solution if it is not possible for your TV to understand the newer navigation-mode commands and your remote can't be set to the old mode (like this is the case with BR1). 

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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 9:28 AM
BeoMotion:

This is independent of the PUC code. "long BACK" will send out exactly the same IR code out of your Beo4 like the EXIT button on the older Beo4. So if you use a PUC that does something if you press the EXIT button it will do the same if you press "long BACK".

I have checked it with my old Beo4 without navi-button:

If BV 7 is set to 'Beo4 with navi-button' the EXIT button doesn't work. So I set BV 7 to 'Beo 4 without navi-button'. Then the EXIT button works the same way like BACK on new Beo4, means only one step back in menues. If I want to go back to main menue of ATV, the only way is to press 'long GREEN'. And this is because of PUC 'APPLE REMOTE V. 2.60a'!

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BeoMotion replied on Mon, May 11 2015 10:02 AM

Raeuber:
If BV 7 is set to 'Beo4 with navi-button' the EXIT button doesn't work. So I set BV 7 to 'Beo 4 without navi-button'. Then the EXIT button works the same way like BACK on new Beo4, means only one step back in menues.

Yes, no problem here. But the OP has a different setup.
He wants to control a TV with a SW that does not support the navigation commands with a remote that has no EXIT button.
Without this EXIT button it is not possible to go back in any menu. May this be the TV menu or the ATV.

"long GREEN" is a PUC command in the latest ATV PUC that will kick you back to the start screen directly.
The OP simply wants to know how to go back in steps. Independent from the PUC version "long BACK" a.k.a. "EXIT" will always bring you one step back. That should work even on very early PUC versions.

If you want to try it on your own set your BV7 to non-navigation-mode and your nav Beo4 to mode 1. Start your Apple TV choose some submenus (PLAY) and try to get back without using the green button. Same goes for TV menu. Here the trick with green won't work. You have to use "long BACK" instead. 

BR,
BeoMotion. 

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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 10:55 AM
BeoMotion:

Yes, no problem here. But the OP has a different setup. He wants to control a TV with a SW that does not support the navigation commands with a remote that has no EXIT button. Without this EXIT button it is not possible to go back in any menu. May this be the TV menu or the ATV.

"long GREEN" is a PUC command in the latest ATV PUC that will kick you back to the start screen directly. The OP simply wants to know how to go back in steps. Independent from the PUC version "long BACK" a.k.a. "EXIT" will always bring you one step back. That should work even on very early PUC versions.

If you want to try it on your own set your BV7 to non-navigation-mode and your nav Beo4 to mode 1. Start your Apple TV choose some submenus (PLAY) and try to get back without using the green button. Same goes for TV menu. Here the trick with green won't work. You have to use "long BACK" instead.

BR, BeoMotion.

Ok, we both have understood how it works with all different B&O remotes.

Fact is that as far as I know all PUCs doesn't support the 'long BACK' command of the actual remotes (Beo4 with navi button and BR One). With Apple remote PUC B&O had realized this command by introducing 'long GREEN' in the latest PUC. With my Technisat ISIO the PUC also doesn't support 'long BACK', only BACK. Therefore I have to leave the menues step by step by pressing BACK repeatedly. But it couldn't be realized by a PUC because 'leaving all menues' by one command isn't supported by Technisat's own remote.

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BeoMotion replied on Mon, May 11 2015 11:48 AM

Raeuber:
Fact is that as far as I know all PUCs doesn't support the 'long BACK' command of the actual remotes


Sorry, but I think we are talking past each other.

There simply is no "long BACK"  PUC command since this is the equivalent to the old EXIT key. If your TV and your remote are in NAV-mode "long BACK" will do nothing because in NAV-mode your TV won't know what to do when receiving an EXIT button command from old Beo4.

"long BACK" will only work if you want to control an old TV without NAV-mode with a Beo4 (NAV enabled) or a BR1 (Beo4 mode).  
Did this dozen of times with all different TVs and it always worked. Totally independent of any PUC. The only thing i'm not totally sure is whether this trick still works on BR1.

Maybe elephant can simply try this and report his experience here. 

 

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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 12:01 PM
BeoMotion:

Sorry, but I think we are talking past each other.

There simply is no "long BACK" PUC command since this is the equivalent to the old EXIT key. If your TV and your remote are in NAV-mode "long BACK" will do nothing because in NAV-mode your TV won't know what to do when receiving an EXIT button command from old Beo4.

"long BACK" will only work if you want to control an old TV without NAV-mode with a Beo4 (NAV enabled) or a BR1 (Beo4 mode). Did this dozen of times with all different TVs and it always worked. Totally independent of any PUC. The only thing i'm not totally sure is whether this trick still works on BR1.

Maybe elephant can simply try this and report his experience here.

BR, BeoMotion.

Sorry BeoMotion, but you are not correct: My BV 7-40, BV 10-40 and Beo4 are in NAV-mode and 'long BACK' are working when using HD-module or menues of BV7 and BV10, of course!
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BeoMotion replied on Mon, May 11 2015 12:22 PM

Raeuber:
: My BV 7-40, BV 10-40 and Beo4 are in NAV-mode and 'long BACK' are working

Okay, might be so. I never tried this with enabled NAV mode. I think the BS4 TVs won't do anything on EXIT command...
But this won't help the OP either because he has a different problem. 

BR,
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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 5:06 PM
BeoMotion:

I think the BS4 TVs won't do anything on EXIT command...

BR, BeoMotion.

Also not correct, EXIT works with BS4 TVs. But STOP and GO don't work, and the ARROW keys, so you can't navigate in any menue.

With BS4 TVs you have to use BR One or Beo4 with navi button, because you can't set these TVs to 'Beo4 without navi button'.

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Sal replied on Mon, May 11 2015 5:42 PM

Raeuber:
On my BV 10 I have 'Apple Remote V. 2.00a' installed and there the GREEN button doesn't work. But on my BV 7 with V. 2.60a it works. And also the YELLOW button that works like PLAY.

Is there a way for me to discern exactly which version of the Apple Remote PUC I have installed on my BV11? I obviously don't have the one you have installed.

Or do B&O servers choose which one(s) to offer based on the model TV which is requesting a download?

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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 6:12 PM
Sal:

Is there a way for me to discern exactly which version of the Apple Remote PUC I have installed on my BV11? I obviously don't have the one you have installed.

Or do B&O servers choose which one(s) to offer based on the model TV which is requesting a download?

Hello Sal,

I can only tell you how to check the PUC version number on BS3 TVs.

I'm sure somebody can explain how to check this on your BV11.

But as far as I know BV11 can download the actual PUC via Internet or update older PUCs by newer automaticly.

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elephant replied on Mon, May 11 2015 7:13 PM
Raeuber:

I can only tell you how to check the PUC version number on BS3 TVs.

How ? Smile

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elephant replied on Mon, May 11 2015 7:19 PM
BeoMotion:

Sorry, but I think we are talking past each other.

There simply is no "long BACK" PUC command since this is the equivalent to the old EXIT key. If your TV and your remote are in NAV-mode "long BACK" will do nothing because in NAV-mode your TV won't know what to do when receiving an EXIT button command from old Beo4.

"long BACK" will only work if you want to control an old TV without NAV-mode with a Beo4 (NAV enabled) or a BR1 (Beo4 mode). Did this dozen of times with all different TVs and it always worked. Totally independent of any PUC. The only thing i'm not totally sure is whether this trick still works on BR1.

Maybe elephant can simply try this and report his experience here.

BR, BeoMotion.

Thank you and Raeuber for a very informative discussion

I shall do my best to produce a series of test cases in the daytime.

( Embarrassed I got into trouble last night because I left Beo4 navigation on but this changed SWMBO's pet use case of scrolling through FOX program information bars to see what's playing on other channels whilst continuing to watch the current channel - of course being a male such sophisticated multi-tasking is beyond me Big Smile )

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Raeuber replied on Mon, May 11 2015 7:40 PM
elephant:

How ? BeoNut since '75

Press MENU

Mark OPTIONS (but don't select it)

Press RED and short after this GO (or navi button)

Then you see the CUSTOMER SERVICE MENUE

Select PUC VERSIONS

Good luck!

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BeoMotion replied on Mon, May 11 2015 7:42 PM

Raeuber:
EXIT works with BS4 TVs

Just tried this for the first time. Yes, you are right. 
Didn't gave it much attention since the original question was about another function.

BR,
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elephant replied on Sun, May 17 2015 1:34 AM
Raeuber:

I guess it doesn't depend on the remote and/or Beovision whether GREEN and 'long GREEN' work with Apple TV, but on the PUC version of 'Apple Remote'.

On my BV 10 I have 'Apple Remote V. 2.00a' installed and there the GREEN button doesn't work. But on my BV 7 with V. 2.60a it works. And also the YELLOW button that works like PLAY.

And if I press MENU on Beo4, there is a little menue shown on top left of the screen.

Regards

Räuber

Sadly I am down level on the BV8-40 and the BV8-32 doesn't even have a Beo4 NAVI option

Thanks Raeuber for the instructions

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