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The eye is externally the same, but has a different print on the Timer button. It now says Join. The bluetooth remote is sold separate, but can be used together. I'd just hide the ir receiver if you also buy the seperate Bluetooth controller, it looks much nicer.
Martin:Finally, i always thought this was an Apple like move to hold back the first generation of the product that was made for wisa and get the second generation more features.
Now that there is/will be some kind of multiroom with the Essence mkII, Beosound A9 and Beosound Moment, I have a question :
Is it possible to play a song/album on an Essence mkII, and then makes an other Essence play simultaneously the same song with the touch of the "play" button (or any other button)? The idea is to have a multiroom made only of Essence (and maybe A9), without any Moment...
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mbee:Now that there is/will be some kind of multiroom with the Essence mkII, Beosound A9 and Beosound Moment, I have a question : Is it possible to play a song/album on an Essence mkII, and then makes an other Essence play simultaneously the same song with the touch of the "play" button (or any other button)? The idea is to have a multiroom made only of Essence (and maybe A9), without any Moment...
"JOIN" is the magic word.
Possible on BeoplayV1, BV11, Avant, Moment, Essence mkII, , A9 mkII, BLC. (Also ML product through connection to a BLC, but than with a programmed Source command)
Also multi sources in multi rooms at the same time (music A in room 1 & 4, music B in room 2 & 3)
Please do notice - not all sources are 'join-able'.
You can't join in on AirPlayed sources or on Spotify Connected sources (unless the device, you want to join in from also support Spotify Connect.
This - not because B&O don't want it, but due to restrictions from Apple respectively Spotify *
Also please notice - if some devices are setup wirelessly and others not, you might experience a delay in the sound.
*This is the reason, why B&O choose to cooperate with Deezer. Deezer allows multiple streams from the same account.
Tip - if you want to listen to an airplayed source in multiple rooms, just connect an AirPlay-enabled device to the line-in of the Essence/the Moment.
It will then be treated like any analog connected source, and can be 'multiroomed'.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
@Millemissen : Experience a delay in the sound when using wireless and wired devices ? That's strange, because there is already some kind of digital protocol that synchronise the sound, even if the devices are on the same cable : it's not analog tech... So are you sure about that? (Sonos can play synchronized, even with different connections...)
@Carolpa : how does it work with the "join" button if you have 2 sources playing on 2 rooms, and want to join one of them in a third room ? (or your latest example with 4 rooms) ???
lonfred:If I connect an Essence mark 2 to an ML system throw an BLC will I be able to controll the Beomusic app throw the ML system with for example an Beo4? If that will be possible than it would be really good...
mbee:@Millemissen : Experience a delay in the sound when using wireless and wired devices ? That's strange, because there is already some kind of digital protocol that synchronise the sound, even if the devices are on the same cable : it's not analog tech... So are you sure about that? (Sonos can play synchronized, even with different connections...) @Carolpa : how does it work with the "join" button if you have 2 sources playing on 2 rooms, and want to join one of them in a third room ? (or your latest example with 4 rooms) ??? diisign.com
Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?
L1NO:Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?
L1NO: Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?
As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input.
In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...).
Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.
mjmedlo:There is a delay with wireless and a wired combination network for sure.
w5bno123:You can adjust the delay in the product to create a perfect synchronised sound. The LAN should be set to 50ms and the WLAN to 200 ms when using a good router/access point. When this info is put into one NL device and stored it is transferred to all of the other NL products.
Millemissen: L1NO:Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input.In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...).Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.
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mbee: @Millemissen : Experience a delay in the sound when using wireless and wired devices ? That's strange, because there is already some kind of digital protocol that synchronise the sound, even if the devices are on the same cable : it's not analog tech... So are you sure about that? (Sonos can play synchronized, even with different connections...) @Carolpa : how does it work with the "join" button if you have 2 sources playing on 2 rooms, and want to join one of them in a third room ? (or your latest example with 4 rooms) ???
go to the 3 room; press join, a source starts, press join again the other source will be audible
elephant: Millemissen: L1NO: Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv? As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer. MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc
Millemissen: L1NO: Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv? As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.
f.e. ATV plays on my BV11-46 and I press JOIN on the BLC in the study, you will hear the ATV in the study
Carolpa: elephant: Millemissen: L1NO:Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc f.e. ATV plays on my BV11-46 and I press JOIN on the BLC in the study, you will hear the ATV in the study
elephant: Millemissen: L1NO:Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc
Millemissen: L1NO:Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.
elephant: Carolpa: elephant: Millemissen: L1NO: Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv? As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer. MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc f.e. ATV plays on my BV11-46 and I press JOIN on the BLC in the study, you will hear the ATV in the study Thanks Carolpa ... I sort of fooled myself there ... I had been using N-Music yesterday and happily slipping past streaming tracks on Apple Music's playlists. It all worked because of the wonderful Beoport with Philippe's LinkPlayer ... I came home today (before seeing your post) to confirm that the ATV's music stream would play through (it does as you pointed out) and whether it was controllable -- sadly the skip key [>>] on the Beo4 don't make it through the BeoSound 4 / ML / BV 8-40 / PUC / ATV chain. So I can't skip through the stream below ... On the other hand [V] and (GO)+(GO) did work, so I can by tracks without knowing their price ... Oh and [STOP] aka PAUSE and [EXIT] also do work ... It's just the skip ahead that doesn't PS I love iOS9 ... I was using it's beta on an iPad mini for this post and the new copy & paste short cuts were fantastic!
Carolpa: elephant: Millemissen: L1NO: Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv? As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer. MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc f.e. ATV plays on my BV11-46 and I press JOIN on the BLC in the study, you will hear the ATV in the study
After all the (admittedly more or less 100% correct) details about the Essence 2nd, the Moment, the converter and the Beomusic app with the coming updates, B&O multiroom is going to be a quite amazing thing.
Looking very much forward to see (or rather hear) it working 'in the flesh' some time later this year.
If I had to start from zero B&O, I am pretty sure, that I would go for NL-products - in my case two tv's and 2 Essence's for the 'linked' rooms (unless they bring a smaller A9-like all-in-one speaker).
Carolpa:but you could use the Apple remote app to contoll your ATV
Sorry - sort of highjacked that thread.
But that is how things come - and it does have some relevanz to the A9 😉
Yes i've read the discussiom. This completely makes my day! For me to have airplay troughout the house, in this case trough apple-tv, and per-room is marvelous. Looking into a BV11 now. Exciting.
StUrrock:The Join function although useful reminds me of the Link PC function of the active kit. Without 2 way control of the source 'Joined' (as offered in many competing multi room systems) it will have limited appeal.
Without 2 way control of the source 'Joined' (as offered in many competing multi room systems) it will have limited appeal.
Correct - 'join' is just one function, but for many people a very relevant one. They just want to take the music with them to another room.
The other thing is 'pushing' a source - choosing where to play a specific source.
We still need to learn how that can be handled. It probably (my guess) will be part of the new BeoMusic app.
Imagine you can join-in on a source in one room, and push another to a different room and in a third room just play one of the sources available on that device.
Would be great, eh!
No more masters - no more link products/slaves.
Maybe not that relevant to a single-person-household, but certainly nice with a bigger family.
What do you mean by 'the Link PC function of the active kit'?
I am only aware of a 'PC function' there. 'Link PC function' would be to 'bypass' the 'PC function' of the Active Kit in order to play from the 'PC source' on a master in the ML.
Millemissen:Correct - 'join' is just one function, but for many people a very relevant one. They just want to take the music with them to another room. The other thing is 'pushing' a source - choosing where to play a specific source. We still need to learn how that can be handled. It probably (my guess) will be part of the new BeoMusic app. Imagine you can join-in on a source in one room, and push another to a different room and in a third room just play one of the sources available on that device. Would be great, eh! No more masters - no more link products/slaves. Maybe not that relevant to a single-person-household, but certainly nice with a bigger family. What do you mean by 'the Link PC function of the active kit'? I am only aware of a 'PC function' there. 'Link PC function' would be to 'bypass' the 'PC function' of the Active Kit in order to play from the 'PC source' on a master in the ML. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Millemissen:No more masters - no more link products/slaves.
Imagine now, how cool it would be to be able to JOIN multiple H8s. :)
I know it will never happen, but still...
AnalogPlanet: Imagine now, how cool it would be to be able to JOIN multiple H8s. :) I know it will never happen, but still...
If B&O would built a small 'join-box' with a bluetooth transmitter....
But - I guess - you are right: that will not happen.
elephant: Millemissen: No more masters - no more link products/slaves. Sounds like δημοκρατία ! Is that a good thing ?
Millemissen: No more masters - no more link products/slaves.
Sounds like δημοκρατία !
Is that a good thing ?
Yes - because an infrastructure without a master device gives you way more possibilities.
Or you could say: in the NL infrastructure every device can be a master.
What does 'δημοκρατία' mean, by the way 😎
I don't speak greek - I am just a supporter 💶
Millemissen:What does 'δημοκρατία' mean, by the way 😎I don't speak greek - I am just a supporter 💶
AnalogPlanet:Imagine now, how cool it would be to be able to JOIN multiple H8s. :) I know it will never happen, but still...
elephant: Millemissen: What does 'δημοκρατία' mean, by the way 😎 I don't speak greek - I am just a supporter 💶 it means 'democracy' and as you then went on to allude, some democracies are chaotic and expensive. which is the "joke" I was making
Millemissen: What does 'δημοκρατία' mean, by the way 😎 I don't speak greek - I am just a supporter 💶
it means 'democracy' and as you then went on to allude, some democracies are chaotic and expensive.
which is the "joke" I was making
So ---- I do understand greek 😉
Have a Essence MK2 since today. Hardware is available with some dealers here in Switzerland. Currently the WISA is not working as the software for that part is not yet released. For the workaround the dealer lend me a WISA Transmitter. I will start testing the device earliest next weekend.
Hi carlito,
nice - congrats.
Looking forward to read about your experiences with the 2nd gen.
Do you have other NL products in the setup?
As far as I know, the update that will bring the substantual NL function won't be released untill september.
Did your dealer tell you anything about that?
Hi MM,
currently the Essence is the only NL product I have. My Masterlink is only a Beolab 3500 in the Bedroom which is attached to a Beocenter 2 (hide away in a cupboard). Main use for the beosystem 2 is the alarm clock every morning
The first gen Essence had always the lack of Apple Lossless capability and so it was not interesting for me. Now i sold my good old Beolab 5 for a pair of Beolab 18 with the Beolab 19 and the Essence was 1000CHF instead of 500CHF for the WISA Transmitter.So I achieved the main goal to have an invisible installation without any system apart from the speakers... will post pictures later.
The dealer mentioned that I'm a beta tester for the new gen of Essence and that the software will be released in August or September... Honestly, i'm not a beta testing freak, but i can alway run the Beolabs with the Transmitter and feed from the Beocenter 2.
Kepp you guys up to date