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Essence Mark 2

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The eye is externally the same, but has a different print on the Timer button. It now says Join. The bluetooth remote is sold separate, but can be used together. 

I'd just hide the ir receiver if you also buy the seperate Bluetooth controller, it looks much nicer.

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rob08 replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 2:11 PM
Martin:

Finally, i always thought this was an Apple like move to hold back the first generation of the product that was made for wisa and get the second generation more features.

Wow, this just made the mk2 move high up on my most wanted list! Excellent if true, way to go b&o
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mbee replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 4:23 PM

Now that there is/will be some kind of multiroom with the Essence mkII, Beosound A9 and Beosound Moment, I have a question :

Is it possible to play a song/album on an Essence mkII, and then makes an other Essence play simultaneously the same song with the touch of the "play" button (or any other button)? The idea is to have a multiroom made only of Essence (and maybe A9), without any Moment...

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Carolpa replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 4:34 PM

mbee:
Now that there is/will be some kind of multiroom with the Essence mkII, Beosound A9 and Beosound Moment, I have a question :

Is it possible to play a song/album on an Essence mkII, and then makes an other Essence play simultaneously the same song with the touch of the "play" button (or any other button)? The idea is to have a multiroom made only of Essence (and maybe A9), without any Moment...

"JOIN"  is the magic word.

Possible on BeoplayV1, BV11, Avant, Moment, Essence mkII, , A9 mkII, BLC. (Also ML product through connection to a BLC, but than with a programmed Source command)

Also multi sources in multi rooms at the same time (music A in room 1 & 4, music B in room 2 & 3)

 

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lonfred replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 6:42 PM
If I connect an Essence mark 2 to an ML system throw an BLC will I be able to controll the Beomusic app throw the ML system with for example an Beo4? If that will be possible than it would be really good...
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Please do notice - not all sources are 'join-able'.

You can't join in on AirPlayed sources or on Spotify Connected sources (unless the device, you want to join in from also support Spotify Connect.

This - not because B&O don't want it, but due to restrictions from Apple respectively Spotify *

Also please notice - if some devices are setup wirelessly and others not, you might experience a delay in the sound.

*This is the reason, why B&O choose to cooperate with Deezer. Deezer allows multiple streams from the same account.

Tip - if you want to listen to an airplayed source in multiple rooms, just connect an AirPlay-enabled device to the line-in of the Essence/the Moment.

It will then be treated like any analog connected source, and can be 'multiroomed'.

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mbee replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 8:02 PM

@Millemissen : Experience a delay in the sound when using wireless and wired devices ? That's strange, because there is already some kind of digital protocol that synchronise the sound, even if the devices are on the same cable : it's not analog tech... So are you sure about that? (Sonos can play synchronized, even with different connections...)

@Carolpa : how does it work with the "join" button if you have 2 sources playing on 2 rooms, and want to join one of them in a third room ? (or your latest example with 4 rooms) ???

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mjmedlo replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 8:07 PM
lonfred:

If I connect an Essence mark 2 to an ML system throw an BLC will I be able to controll the Beomusic app throw the ML system with for example an Beo4? If that will be possible than it would be really good...

There will probably be a new beomusic with the new essence
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mjmedlo replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 8:08 PM
mbee:

@Millemissen : Experience a delay in the sound when using wireless and wired devices ? That's strange, because there is already some kind of digital protocol that synchronise the sound, even if the devices are on the same cable : it's not analog tech... So are you sure about that? (Sonos can play synchronized, even with different connections...)

@Carolpa : how does it work with the "join" button if you have 2 sources playing on 2 rooms, and want to join one of them in a third room ? (or your latest example with 4 rooms) ???

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There is a delay with wireless and a wired combination network for sure.
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L1NO replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 8:19 PM

Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?

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mjmedlo replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 8:56 PM
L1NO:

Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?

The mark 2 will I think.

Current one will not.

This assumes you have a newer BV that is NL.

ML it will join if the source is named correctly.
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L1NO:

Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?

As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input.

In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...).

Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.

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w5bno123 replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 10:45 PM
mjmedlo:

There is a delay with wireless and a wired combination network for sure.

You can adjust the delay in the product to create a perfect synchronised sound. The LAN should be set to 50ms and the WLAN to 200 ms when using a good router/access point. When this info is put into one NL device and stored it is transferred to all of the other NL products.
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mjmedlo replied on Sat, Jul 25 2015 10:46 PM
w5bno123:

You can adjust the delay in the product to create a perfect synchronised sound. The LAN should be set to 50ms and the WLAN to 200 ms when using a good router/access point. When this info is put into one NL device and stored it is transferred to all of the other NL products.

Yes... Unless of course you have ML products tooBig Smile

Then you get to configure the 'delay box' as well.

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elephant replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 4:49 AM
Millemissen:

L1NO:

Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?

As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input.

In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...).

Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.

MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting.

We all know that there is no video join Smile

However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ?

If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing".

However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ?

Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC.

Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc Devil

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Carolpa replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 6:04 AM

mbee:

@Millemissen : Experience a delay in the sound when using wireless and wired devices ? That's strange, because there is already some kind of digital protocol that synchronise the sound, even if the devices are on the same cable : it's not analog tech... So are you sure about that? (Sonos can play synchronized, even with different connections...)

@Carolpa : how does it work with the "join" button if you have 2 sources playing on 2 rooms, and want to join one of them in a third room ? (or your latest example with 4 rooms) ???

go to the 3 room; press join, a source starts, press join again the other source will be audible

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Carolpa replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 6:08 AM

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Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?
As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.
MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join SmileHowever can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc Devil

f.e. ATV plays on my BV11-46 and I press JOIN on the BLC in the study, you will hear the ATV in the study

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elephant replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 7:28 AM
Carolpa:
elephant:
Millemissen:
L1NO:

Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?

As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.

MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc

f.e. ATV plays on my BV11-46 and I press JOIN on the BLC in the study, you will hear the ATV in the study

Thanks Carolpa ...

I sort of fooled myself there ... I had been using N-Music yesterday and happily slipping past streaming tracks on Apple Music's playlists.

It all worked because of the wonderful Beoport with Philippe's LinkPlayer ...

I came home today (before seeing your post) to confirm that the ATV's music stream would play through (it does as you pointed out) and whether it was controllable -- sadly the skip key [>>] on the Beo4 don't make it through the BeoSound 4 / ML / BV 8-40 / PUC / ATV chain.

So I can't skip through the stream below ... On the other hand [V] and (GO)+(GO) did work, so I can by tracks without knowing their price ... Oh and [STOP] aka PAUSE and [EXIT] also do work ... It's just the skip ahead that doesn't

PS I love iOS9 ... I was using it's beta on an iPad mini for this post and the new copy & paste short cuts were fantastic!

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Carolpa replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 8:50 AM

elephant:
Carolpa:
elephant:
Millemissen:
L1NO:

 

Can a essence 'join' a beovision with a apple-tv?

 

As you can see in my post above, you will only be able to join-in to some airplayed stuff, if the AirPlay-device is connected via an analog output/input. In this case you theoretically don't join-in to AirPlay, but to a stream from an undefined analog connected device (could be a turntable or a cd-player...). Apple only allows for streaming/airplaying to multiple devices from iTunes on a computer.

 

MM, we can't be sure what L1NO was wanting. We all know that there is no video join However can an Essence room join a BV-NL room to listen to the BV's ATV audio ? If that was L1NO's question then I think your answer would be a "probably yes, to be confirmed by real world testing". However could the Essence the control to ATV source through the BV-NL ? Here I suspect the answer is "possibly" and is dependent on whether the skip commands would be faithfully forwarded through the BV's PUC. Or simply uses Apple's Remote iApp to reach the ATV (bypassing the NL connection) and do searches, album selection, radio selection etc

 

f.e. ATV plays on my BV11-46 and I press JOIN on the BLC in the study, you will hear the ATV in the study

 

 

Thanks Carolpa ...

 

 

I sort of fooled myself there ... I had been using N-Music yesterday and happily slipping past streaming tracks on Apple Music's playlists.

 

 

It all worked because of the wonderful Beoport with Philippe's LinkPlayer ...

 

 

I came home today (before seeing your post) to confirm that the ATV's music stream would play through (it does as you pointed out) and whether it was controllable -- sadly the skip key [>>] on the Beo4 don't make it through the BeoSound 4 / ML / BV 8-40 / PUC / ATV chain.

 

 

So I can't skip through the stream below ... On the other hand [V] and (GO)+(GO) did work, so I can by tracks without knowing their price ... Oh and [STOP] aka PAUSE and [EXIT] also do work ... It's just the skip ahead that doesn't

 

 

 

 

 

PS I love iOS9 ... I was using it's beta on an iPad mini for this post and the new copy & paste short cuts were fantastic!
but you could use the Apple remote app to contoll your ATV

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After all the (admittedly more or less 100% correct) details about the Essence 2nd, the Moment, the converter and the Beomusic app with the coming updates, B&O multiroom is going to be a quite amazing thing.

Looking very much forward to see (or rather hear) it working 'in the flesh' some time later this year.

If I had to start from zero B&O, I am pretty sure, that I would go for NL-products - in my case two tv's and 2 Essence's for the 'linked' rooms (unless they bring a smaller A9-like all-in-one speaker).

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elephant replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 10:43 AM
Carolpa:

but you could use the Apple remote app to contoll your ATV

I could ... and I did do that test ... but I gave it a No - thumbs down

Simply because there was no good UI feedback !

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elephant replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 10:43 PM
@L1NO

Take a look at MM and w5bno123's overnight discussion on an A9 / NL / BV / ATV

It's in the thread "Beoplay A9 Dropout advice"

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StUrrock replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 10:56 PM
The Join function although useful reminds me of the Link PC function of the active kit.

Without 2 way control of the source 'Joined' (as offered in many competing multi room systems) it will have limited appeal.
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Sorry - sort of highjacked that thread.

But that is how things come - and it does have some relevanz to the A9 😉

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L1NO replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 11:00 PM

Yes i've read the discussiom. This completely makes my day! For me to have airplay troughout the house, in this case trough apple-tv, and per-room is marvelous. Looking into a BV11 now. Exciting.

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StUrrock:
The Join function although useful reminds me of the Link PC function of the active kit.

Without 2 way control of the source 'Joined' (as offered in many competing multi room systems) it will have limited appeal.

Correct - 'join' is just one function, but for many people a very relevant one. They just want to take the music with them to another room.

The other thing is 'pushing' a source - choosing where to play a specific source.

We still need to learn how that can be handled. It probably (my guess) will be part of the new BeoMusic app.

Imagine you can join-in on a source in one room, and push another to a different room and in a third room just play one of the sources available on that device.

Would be great, eh!

No more masters - no more link products/slaves.

Maybe not that relevant to a single-person-household, but certainly nice with a bigger family.

 

What do you mean by 'the Link PC function of the active kit'?

I am only aware of a 'PC function' there. 'Link PC function' would be to 'bypass' the 'PC function' of the Active Kit in order to play from the 'PC source' on a master in the ML.

 

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StUrrock replied on Sun, Jul 26 2015 11:32 PM
Millemissen:

Correct - 'join' is just one function, but for many people a very relevant one. They just want to take the music with them to another room.

The other thing is 'pushing' a source - choosing where to play a specific source.

We still need to learn how that can be handled. It probably (my guess) will be part of the new BeoMusic app.

Imagine you can join-in on a source in one room, and push another to a different room and in a third room just play one of the sources available on that device.

Would be great, eh!

No more masters - no more link products/slaves.

Maybe not that relevant to a single-person-household, but certainly nice with a bigger family.

What do you mean by 'the Link PC function of the active kit'?

I am only aware of a 'PC function' there. 'Link PC function' would be to 'bypass' the 'PC function' of the Active Kit in order to play from the 'PC source' on a master in the ML.

MM

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Sorry MM to get the Link PC mixed up with PC.

Such is the confusing nature of certain Danish Multi room audio systems.

I'm off to easily push and easily control my non B&O multi room audio.

With regards to the Network Link club I won't be JOINing it.

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elephant replied on Mon, Jul 27 2015 12:04 AM
Millemissen:

No more masters - no more link products/slaves.

Sounds like δημοκρατία !

Is that a good thing ?

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Imagine now, how cool it would be to be able to JOIN multiple H8s. :)

I know it will never happen, but still...

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AnalogPlanet:

Imagine now, how cool it would be to be able to JOIN multiple H8s. :)

I know it will never happen, but still...

If B&O would built a small 'join-box' with a bluetooth transmitter....

But - I guess - you are right: that will not happen.

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elephant:
Millemissen:

No more masters - no more link products/slaves.

Sounds like δημοκρατία !

Is that a good thing ?

Yes - because an infrastructure without a master device gives you way more possibilities.

Or you could say: in the NL infrastructure every device can be a master.

 

What does 'δημοκρατία' mean, by the way 😎

I don't speak greek - I am just a supporter 💶

 

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elephant replied on Mon, Jul 27 2015 12:10 PM
Millemissen:

What does 'δημοκρατία' mean, by the way 😎

I don't speak greek - I am just a supporter 💶

it means 'democracy' and as you then went on to allude, some democracies are chaotic and expensive.

which is the "joke" I was making

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elephant replied on Mon, Jul 27 2015 12:12 PM
AnalogPlanet:

Imagine now, how cool it would be to be able to JOIN multiple H8s. :)

I know it will never happen, but still...

One solution is MM's magical blue box,

Or you could just use two cables and one H6 and an H8

And you probably get zero dropouts

Stick out tongue

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elephant:
Millemissen:

What does 'δημοκρατία' mean, by the way 😎

I don't speak greek - I am just a supporter 💶

it means 'democracy' and as you then went on to allude, some democracies are chaotic and expensive.

which is the "joke" I was making

So ---- I do understand greek 😉

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carlito replied on Mon, Jul 27 2015 7:21 PM

Have a Essence MK2 since today. Hardware is available with some dealers here in Switzerland. Currently the WISA is not working as the software for that part is not yet released. For the workaround the dealer lend me a WISA Transmitter. I will start testing the device earliest next weekend.

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Hi carlito,

nice - congrats.

Looking forward to read about your experiences with the 2nd gen.

Do you have other NL products in the setup?

As far as I know, the update that will bring the substantual NL function won't be released untill september.

Did your dealer tell you anything about that?

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carlito replied on Mon, Jul 27 2015 8:54 PM

Hi MM,

currently the Essence is the only NL product I have. My Masterlink is only a Beolab 3500 in the Bedroom which is attached to a Beocenter 2 (hide away in a cupboard). Main use for the beosystem 2 is the alarm clock every morning Smile

The first gen Essence had always the lack of Apple Lossless capability and so it was not interesting for me. Now i sold my good old Beolab 5 for a pair of Beolab 18 with the Beolab 19 and the Essence was 1000CHF instead of 500CHF for the WISA Transmitter.So I achieved the main goal to have an invisible installation without any system apart from the speakers... will post pictures later.

The dealer mentioned that I'm a beta tester for the new gen of Essence and that the software will be released in August or September... Honestly, i'm not a beta testing freak, but i can alway run the Beolabs with the Transmitter and feed from the Beocenter 2.

Kepp you guys up to date

 

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elephant replied on Tue, Jul 28 2015 3:19 AM
Good move Carlito

Congratulations

Did you get a remote in the box?

I believe they are no longer including it! did you buy one separately?

If so which one did you choose ?

Did you see the IR Eye ? Are you thinking of it? If so which remote will you use? Beo4 or Beoremote ?

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mjmedlo replied on Tue, Jul 28 2015 3:57 AM
I ordered mine today.

Hopefully 2 weeks out.
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carlito replied on Tue, Jul 28 2015 7:48 AM
Thanks Elephant

The remote was sold separately. I have chosen the one for wall mounting but still unsure if this will work as mentioned in the B&O advertising (entering the room and switch on the music as easy as light….).

Had a chat with the dealer about buying an IR eye instead of the Bluetooth remote. His advice was that you only switch on/off the system with the remote, everything else you do with the Beo App.

Have a Beo4 especially for controlling the LC2 dimmer. The Beovision was exiled a few mounts ago to the basement. From what I know the Beoremote 1 will not work with the IR eye from the Essence.

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