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'Hmm,' said a small voice in his ear. 'Difficult. Very diffcult. Plenty of courage, I see. Not a bad mind, either. There's talent, oh my goodness yes - and a nice thirst to prove yourself, now that's interesting ... So where shall I put you?'
Not Geoff, but Harry gripped the edges of the stool and thought, 'Not Slytherin, not Slytherin.'
It is a big pair of sorting hats ...
Peter the Biker:'Hmm,' said a small voice in his ear. 'Difficult. Very diffcult. Plenty of courage, I see. Not a bad mind, either. There's talent, oh my goodness yes - and a nice thirst to prove yourself, now that's interesting ... So where shall I put you?' Not Geoff, but Harry gripped the edges of the stool and thought, 'Not Slytherin, not Slytherin.' It is a big pair of sorting hats ... Peter the biker
BeoNut since '75
I've seen a sorting hat comment in another review too!
The form of the BL90 does suggest motion...... you could almost imagine those speakers walking into a room, flexing and tip toeing on that curved wooden base.
Graham
http://www.whathifi.com/news/beolab-90-bang-olufsens-striking-90th-anniversary-speaker
Look at the comments!
Duels:Nobody actually seems to have heard these speakers is any of the reviews I've read. Am I missing something?
The thing I'm missing is finding out who will have them in the showroom? I'll be in the UK soon and sent a message to the new B&O flagship store in Wilmslow asking if they will stock them as they claim to have every product in the range, and so far have had no reply.
Does anybody know where we can get to see and hear these?
Dave.
Dave Farr: Does anybody know where we can get to see and hear these?
Dave Farr: Does anybody know where we can get to see and hear these? Dave.
Should not be the biggest problem.
I alrady have two invitations for a demo....
....and have accepted one for the 17th of November.
Just watch out for your mailbox (if tou receive newsletters from your dealer/s or from B&O direct).
And contact some of those in your neighbourhood.
That said: I would expect B&O to publish a list of the stores, that are going to have these on display.
Maybe it is just to early, because it isn't quite settled yet, which one are having them.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
BeoBoy68:@ BeoFans If you don't have a very big living room don't focus on BeoLab 90. Please, Wait for the cheaper little brother. Probably next year will come an affordable version.
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Present: BL90, Core, BL6000, CD7000, Beogram 7000, Essence Remote.
Past: BL1, BL2, BL8000, BS9000, BL5, BC2, BS5, BV5, BV4-50, Beosystem 3, BL3, DVD1, Beoremote 4, Moment.
seethroughyou: If they were to bring out a smaller and more affordable version then I would be the first to buy it. Been waiting for couple bog years for a BL5 successor.
BeoBoy68: seethroughyou: If they were to bring out a smaller and more affordable version then I would be the first to buy it. Been waiting for couple bog years for a BL5 successor. With Bang & Olufsen, I have learned to be patient
If they were to bring out a smaller and more affordable version then I would be the first to buy it. Been waiting for couple bog years for a BL5 successor.
With Bang & Olufsen, I have learned to be patient
And to continually hawk other companies products!
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff:And to continually hawk other companies products!
It is amazing to see so much people wanted to buy this thing without knowing how it sounds and so much people wanted to buy a smaller speaker just because it "looks like/sounds like".
that's just snobbery.
4 beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 6002, beolab 3500, beovision 7 55 mk2, 2 beovision 11 46 mk4, beotime, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beoplay A8, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...
olvisab: that's just snobbery.
Or trust in the know-how of the guys in Struer ;-)
Dave Farr:Does anybody know where we can get to see and hear these?
I have an invite to Dublin if your up for a bit of travelling.
valve1:I have an invite to Dublin if your up for a bit of travelling.
Here some one has heard them...
"So how did the BeoLab 90 make us feel? When we closed our eyes in Bang & Olufsen's special listening room, the pair of master reference speakers (#2 and #3 ever made)—along with the room—seemed to vanish the instant a song played. We weren't listening to sound emanating from two specific points; instead, the Weeknd was singing his heart out right in front of us. Benny Goodman's band performed an intimate set, and you could picture where each musician was sitting. The BeoLab 90's ability to create such a lifelike three-dimensional sound stage is unparalleled when you're sitting in the sweet spot. It certainly brings up the question of whether a speaker can be "too" good for the music—some now-classic albums weren't necessarily well-recorded and mastered (think of when the Rolling Stones turned the basement of a rented French mansion into a makeshift studio slash drug den). But when all the variables align perfectly, the music engulfs listeners entirely and hits the guts. The result of such incredible technology and engineering happens to be a very visceral human experience."
Already posted, but thanks anyway.
I guess we will have to be patient, untill after the 17th of november, when they are in (some of) the shops.
Dave Farr:The sound room at B&O in Struer isn't exactly a real setting.
Feels real to me. ;-)
cheers
-g
Geoff Martin: Dave Farr:The sound room at B&O in Struer isn't exactly a real setting. Feels real to me. ;-) cheers -g
But you work (and possibly live) there. It's not a true home environment is what I mean you cheeky thing.
olvisab: It is amazing to see so much people wanted to buy this thing without knowing how it sounds and so much people wanted to buy a smaller speaker just because it "looks like/sounds like". that's just snobbery.
A lot of people pick their partners on the same basis: on how 'it' looks before they know what they sound like after much listening :-)
But in all seriousness, one must try out speakers to ensure its the right one for them
Aussie Michael: olvisab: It is amazing to see so much people wanted to buy this thing without knowing how it sounds and so much people wanted to buy a smaller speaker just because it "looks like/sounds like". that's just snobbery. A lot of people pick their partners on the same basis: on how 'it' looks before they know what they sound like after much listening :-) But in all seriousness, one must try out speakers to ensure its the right one for them
One thing B&O have done well is allow people to try products in their home. However, I can't envisage a dealer wanting to haul a combined weight of 270kg + packaging with the risk of damaging such an expensive product into people's homes for a demo. On this, we need to trust the excellent sound engineers at Struer and believe that these will be optimised no matter where they are put.
I'd still like to hear them in a dealers though - not that I'd be being any soon. How long until Lifestyle AV get a pair on the used market?
One of the unique things about this speaker is the built-in room correction capacity.
The BL90's should sound excellent regardless of the room in the shop, if you listen to them there. Correctly put - not the speakers should sound, the music coming from them should!
If you feel comfortable in the room in the shop, you pretty much should get get the impression, that you would get at home.
Otherweise they weren't set up properly....or the guys in Struer did not quite finish their job ;-))))
Dave Farr: But you work (and possibly live) there. It's not a true home environment is what I mean you cheeky thing.
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Actually, both Listening Room 1 and Listening Room 2 in Struer conform to the IEC 268-13 standard, which is a standard that was designed to provide a generalised representation, both in dimensions and acoustical behaviour, of a standard domestic listening room.
So, although it's not an actual "home environment" (although sometimes, I feel like I live here...), it is a simulacrum of one.
Keep in mind as well that the final sound design of ALL B&O loudspeakers is done in at least 4 different rooms (one of which is usually my "true home environment" - since it's our living room at home) - starting in the Listening Room in Struer, but including 3 other, very different spaces.
<CHEEK=ON>
So there.
Cheers
Hi Geoff,
I'm afraid I don't hold much respect for these so called conformity standards. It's a bit like the crazy fuel consumption figures you get from the car manufacturers that can never be replicated in a true driving experience. I've no ides what the IEC 268-13 standard is, but that's what it is - a standard and not a real environment. Who decided what a 'standard domestic environment' is? Almost every home is different so I can see you have to work with a standard 'Control' as I'd have it in my scientific days.
This possibly is the crux of so many customers complaints about products such as the H8's etc or the battery life of the A2, Beolit 12, 15 or whatever. They are tested in ideal conditions and figures given for range, battery life etc - possibly without the interferences we have in our homes from other equipment such as TV's, microwaves, other peoples WiFi signals and so on.
I know all the B&O products go through rigourous processes before we ever get them and probably more than most other manufacturers and I thank you for it. I just can't wait to hear these!
@Dave,
I agree with you - to a point.
Of course, we have to use a room to tune the loudspeakers, and so it's "safer" to use one that is described in an international standard than to just build something with no regard to anything. We also have the advantage, when we do a "real" listening test, that we can document it in its associated publication as being done in an IEC-standard listening room.
As you point out, a standard is not necessarily representative of the thing it was designed to standardise - everything is an exception. The general version of this problem is frequently debated under the heading of "ecological vs. scientific validity" or something similar.
This is why the loudspeakers are tuned in different rooms, one of which follows the standard, and three of which that don't. This is a kind of "insurance" - to make sure that the "primary" tuning done in the listening room is "correct" (whatever that means). However, its also done to find out how the loudspeakers will behave in other non-standard rooms. For example, sometimes, one of those extra "rooms" is outdoors. The A9 and the BeoLit 12 were both anticipated to be used by some customers outdoors, so we checked the tuning on a patio deck in a back yard.
yes, I see completely. At least you know then that all of your speakers should behave the same way and will sound the same and their best in that if all of your speakers are tuned this way, they are effectively as equal as possible and easy to match when paired with another. As I said, you do remarkable work. I hope one day to be able to see it when I visit Denmark (I have to visit 'Dillen' with an 84U for restoration and collect some speakers (MS150's).
I'm now looking forward to what comes next in the 'more affordable' bracket!
I'm still waiting for the Beosound Moment to come in walnut and the other wood options that the BL18 has. And I hope that Beo produce more products with those wood options.
I hope they will make a new BL5 variant with a "pop-up" tweeter like those in AUDI and BMW.
Beo in white is my thing
Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3
ErikVonAgnar:I'm still waiting for the Beosound Moment to come in walnut and the other wood options that the BL18 has. And I hope that Beo produce more products with those wood options. I hope they will make a new BL5 variant with a "pop-up" tweeter like those in AUDI and BMW.
Will it be a long wait for the moment mkII?
koning:Will it be a long wait for the moment mkII?
Why should there be a MK2 version - the Moment is constantly getting updates.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
No - Dynaudio and Scanspeak are two different companies.