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Regarding B&O OLED.
To our knowledge it will be LG tech packed in a Bang & Olufsen design
Display and video-technology solely from LG, , with sound and control coming from a soundbar that B&O delivers to the project.
See also: Bang & Olufsen OLED TV (updated info) (danish) or Google translate
Best regards
Lars Ladingkaer (recordere.dk)
Editor in Chief, recordere.dkDanish online magazine for consumer electronics
After all - we know nothing yet!
Other than that B&O cooperates with LG.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:After all - we know nothing yet!
Now you do! ;-)
/Lars
recordere: Now you do! ;-) /Lars
If you have 'insider information' just tell us that - no need for 'rumours', then.
Millemissen:If you have 'insider information' just tell us that - no need for 'rumours', then. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
BeoNut since '75
Unfortunately,- its a fact!
....Courtesy of the former CEO!
Does this mean the "casing" of the TV will still be by B&O along with the soundbar, or as Rolls Royce is to BMW where the final paint and assembly is of Munich-built bodies?
Beo Century ,Beoplay V1, Beocenter 6, Ex-Beolit 12, Beotime , A8. Beolit 15 , Form 2i , Beolab 2000, Beoplay A3.Beosound 1
The whole thing sounds like an outsourcing deal to me. Bang and Olufsen will be a manufacturer of higher end speakers which will include Beoplay which itself is all outsourced.
BEOVOX141: Unfortunately,- its a fact! ....Courtesy of the former CEO!
A fact is a confirmed rumour - I see no confirmation here....
....and prefer waiting - instead of speculating.
Bv7Mk3:Bit like apple as get stuff made outside!
Apple is famed for intellectual property manifested as stuff from China. B&O are masters of anodised aluminium production as well as desirable IP.
Simonbeo: Does this mean the "casing" of the TV will still be by B&O along with the soundbar, or as Rolls Royce is to BMW where the final paint and assembly is of Munich-built bodies?
It seems that LG will as well provide a panel for the next Loewe Bild7. I think they got inspired by the Avant and made the modern version of it that B&O should have done... Same 'magic speaker' and motorized stand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVl6GUV-fkk
It is the screen, that moves - no magic 'bout that speaker!
If you wait until the end Millemissen you can see that the speaker does move up and hide behind the screen. I also note they are using electronic curtains when the tv switches off, albeit at a quicker pace than B&O. I am quite amazed that Loewe could copy (in my opinion) practically everything from the Avant design. That really puts me off Loewe as a company for not coming up with their own unique design and simply stealing someone else - if this is the case and I suppose there's no proof either way but really, what a poor effort, as well executed as it is. Simon.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
Apologies, you are right, it does appear that the tv moves and not the speaker. I do think it's well executed overall and a tidy setup; one that I'd buy if B&O wasn't an option, but I will always respect and be drawn to the original innovators, not the copiers. Simon.
Beo in white is my thing
Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3
Millemissen:It is the screen, that moves - no magic 'bout that speaker!
Ah, a magic screen then!
Probably muuuch easier to realize.
Millemissen:Probably muuuch easier to realize.
The Loewe solution looks like a pedestal (TV stand) where the top part kan move a few centimeters up/down.
Then the loudspeaker is attached to the fixed part below, and the flatscreen to the moving part above, with the parts positioned in layers so the screen can slide down and hide the loudspeaker.
I actually find Loewe's solution just as elegant as the B&O one.
That said, I'm not a big fan of Loewe's design language – a bit too sterile for my taste. The finish and build quality isn't really on B&O's level (but on the other hand, neither is the price).
(double post)
henrik: I actually find Loewe's solution just as elegant as the B&O one. That said, I'm not a big fan of Loewe's design language – a bit too sterile for my taste. The finish and build quality isn't really on B&O's level (but on the other hand, neither is the price).
It does have one important benefit, though. The Avant is wasting precious volume when the speakers slide sideways. A lot of speaker volume just sitting idle doing nothing....while the DSP desperately is trying to compensate...
Now I wait for B&O announcement at IFA with even more anticipation. Would be fantastic if B&O comes with some competitive pricing for their new TVs. :)
BEOVOX141:It does have one important benefit, though. The Avant is wasting precious volume when the speakers slide sideways. A lot of speaker volume just sitting idle doing nothing....while the DSP desperately is trying to compensate...
Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
I don't see the problem, either!
The only problem is, that BEOVOX141 is missing the opportunity to use his own BL7-x with a naked screen.
Millemissen: .... with a naked screen. MM
.... with a naked screen.
.....Freudian Slip ?
It would explain a lot, though!
Btw... It would be the Beolab 10, of course!
@BEOVOX141
Very informative - excellent!
BEOVOX141:..... Freudian Slip ? It would explain a lot, though! Btw... It would be the Beolab 10, of course!
@Micheal
I merely pointed out the benefit of having the screen move rather than the actual speaker.
The Avant pretty system is pretty cool, but it severely constrained volume wise, and at the end of the day you can't defeat basic physics.
The vacant space could have been used for the single front woofer, had it been stationary, which would have required less compensation and less aggressive ABL.
The system is actually based heavily on parts from the automotive division,- the inverted Coscone drivers.
If I was was to point out one problem,- it would be the fact that it isn't scaled on the 75 & 85 models!
BEOVOX141: If I was was to point out one problem,- it would be the fact that it isn't scaled on the 75 & 85 models!
Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)
In storage: Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000 (1960s).
BEOVOX141:If I was was to point out one problem,- it would be the fact that it isn't scaled on the 75 & 85 models!
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
It's not only a question of size. A beolab 7.6 has far better bass than a 7.1.
4 beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 6002, beolab 3500, beovision 7 55 mk2, 2 beovision 11 46 mk4, beotime, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beoplay A8, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...
KMA:It's as if the speaker was designed for the 55" model, where the extending width has a function: stereo separation, as we sit closer to 55" screens than 75" or 85" screens. With 55", the extended width matters.
I agree with this, KMA. When B&O released the larger screen Avants, the tiny speaker underneath seemed out of place, and disproportionate. It may perform just as well, and I can understand the need not to spend money on retooling for different sized components, but the larger Avant screens with the same width speaker just don't "look" right to me.
@Kallasr, KMA, olvisab, Sal & Michael
Lots of good points here.
The BL7-1, 7-2 and 7-6 are all 100% identical except for the box size and the tuning. And yet they sound very different. The 7-1 being the quick punchy one, the 7-2 the somewhat flexible contender, and the 7-6 the heavy champion throwing in a massive slow hook! This huge difference from a mere 20% change in volume per step up! So considering the tiny box volume for the single Avant front woofer, servicing all three front channels, I am just thinking,- what could have been? - had the volume used for the F14 tomcat wings, been used to expand the box volume!
Not a problem,- rather a missed opportunity.
What is unfortunate, is the fact that the system is a one size fits all! You are pretty muck locked in with the center channel, and upgrading the sides seems a bit of a waste since you already paid quite a lot for the internal speaker system. At least, as most of you mention,- scale the system. It shouldn't require that many extra parts. - And where did the fret colors go?
I like the clean Avant design, but for me, the dealbreaker was the speaker system. Had it been available without the speakers, or even better as a BV4 style monitor for Beosystem use, I would have bought it in a split second, even with a 1080 panel...
Imagine Avant55 + Beolab 18 in a combo deal, for less than 10.000 Euros..
I know, it's not going to happen anytime soon, if ever, but it would be cool, if just one new Beovison would offer the option of customizing your own system, just like the BV 7.
My tiny two cents.... carry on
BEOVOX141:@Micheal I merely pointed out the benefit of having the screen move rather than the actual speaker. The Avant pretty system is pretty cool, but it severely constrained volume wise, and at the end of the day you can't defeat basic physics. The vacant space could have been used for the single front woofer, had it been stationary, which would have required less compensation and less aggressive ABL. The system is actually based heavily on parts from the automotive division,- the inverted Coscone drivers. If I was was to point out one problem,- it would be the fact that it isn't scaled on the 75 & 85 models!
Michael:Thank for clearing that up. But I don't see it as a problem. I like the way the speakers move and the space is limited no matter what - in modern thin models. I know they use thin speakers originally designed mostly for cars (due to their profile and great sturdy design) and that is a good thing. I am constantly surprised of how much sound the Avant produces on its own.
Some years ago a lot of unsellable BV7-40's and especially 7-55's were standing in the B&O showrooms.
Due to an overprized tv concept the costumers ran off to (in best case) the BV10 and in (worst case) to the modern non B&O tvs. The need for oldschool integration had also become less - maany users did not care much for having a dedicated audio system conected to the tv.
B&O is - like it or not - business! It is about selling A/V products, that people need and want to buy!
It is not about making solutions for the few nerds (who can afford these any price).
Having the BV7 solution (with the external speaker combos) for too long in the portfolio was a vaste of time and a waste of opportunity to 'stay in business', and it blocked the development of the new gen BV's.
There is absolutely no need to produce and to try to sell BV's with a seperate display/speakers concept, if you can't survive as a company from it.
The built-in (3.0) speakers solution of the New Avant is excellent as a standalone solution.
Those who need 'more power' will add external speakers and one or two subs anyway, and this way benefit from the possibilities of the System4/Audio Engine including the intelligent bas management.
BV7/BL7 owners should enjoy their setup as long as possible (it is after all an extraordinary combo).
There will be lots of ridiculous low priced items on the marked for those who prefer to stay with it.
BUT it is not a concept, that could keep B&O alive as a company in the future.
Let history be history and focus on what is possible (with the expertice of B&O) for the coming years.
Just my 2 cents!
You say there's absolutely no need to produce modular TVs if you can't survive in a current AV market. I need to say I'm not fully convinced B&O is doing very well as a company with the fully integrated TV lineup either.
I hope new Beovisions will be wonderful and priced right, amd then I'll be okay with both integrated and modular setup. ;)