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Razlaw Posted: Tue, Jun 28 2016 1:54 AM
I purchased a Sonos Connect as I wanted Deezer Elite. I have it connected to the line in of the Essence. Unfortunately it has static. Have been working with Sonos customer support but have not been able to solve the problem. In the BeoSetup app I changed line in sensitivity to disable and the problem was solved, for a couple days, but now has returned. Any suggestions?

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jk1002 replied on Tue, Jun 28 2016 3:51 AM

Did you try other sources on the line in? Iphone or ipad? Same for the out on the sonos, maybe you have a bluetooth speaker or something

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Razlaw replied on Tue, Jun 28 2016 12:26 PM
I don't have the right combination of another product and cables to try a different product, unfortunately.

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Hi Razlaw,

This may just be that the connecting cable from the Sonos to the Essence has a poor connection, or isn't sufficiently shielded.  You are welcome to try this cable on a sale or return basis to see if it resolves the issue (simply post it back within 60 days for a full refund if it doesn't solve the problem):-

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Razlaw replied on Tue, Jun 28 2016 2:49 PM
Thanks! I have tried both the included cable as well as a higher priced cable that I purchased at a local store. The static has an almost rythmic pattern. Does that still sound like it could be a cable problem? I was just on your web site last evening looking at power cords as I need a longer cord for my new 20s.

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Hi Razlaw,

If both cables show the same problem, then it is unlikely to be a cable issue.  It could be interference from nearby electrical equipment - are you able to try turning off nearby devices to see if this clears the static please?

I have the speaker power cords in stock in a wide range of lengths with a choice of country fittings if you need them: http://soundsheavenly.com/search?controller=search&orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=mains&submit_search=

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Razlaw replied on Tue, Jun 28 2016 3:02 PM
There really is not much electrical equipment near it. It is located in my basement which is unfinished. So no lights are on down there. The Sonos is 18 to 24 inches away from my router. Have tried different locations, some slightly farther away. Other than that it is about 18 inches away from from the Beomaster 5 and the Essence and the cable modem.

As I type this, a thought occurs to me. It's location in the basement is almost directly under the refrigerator in the kitchen above. Could that affect it?

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elephant replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 1:32 PM
Yup

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Hi,

Common causes of noise on audio systems include: fridge/freezers, air conditioning compressors, mobile phone/laptop chargers, fish tanks/aquarium pumps, solar panel inverters and micro-generation boilers.

So the simple answer, as elephant mentioned is "Yup" - this is a likely cause.  Powering off this device (but not for so long that your food goes off!) and checking the speakers for noise should confirm if there is a link.

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 1:48 PM

It now appears that the problem is with Deezer not the Sonos. The static is now occurring when listening to  Deezer through the Beomusic app also.  Tried Spotify and music from my Beomaster through the Essence and no static.

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 2:04 PM

I completely disconnected the Sonos and the static is still present when listening to Deezer through the Beomusic app. I tried my V1 to see if Deezer was working there. All I have is the Deezer logo. Can not get it to play at all on the V1.

Deezer is not available in the US except on the Moment, Sonos and one other brand. I signed up with the Sonos. But the login info worked on the Essence and V1 also, once I was signed up.

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Sal replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 4:00 PM

Razlaw, can you describe the kind of static you're hearing? Is it hissing? is it digital sounding? is it loud? And one more thing, do you hear it when you perhaps restart your essence and the BL 20s turn on twice with the confirmation chimes? Do you have the speakers connected to a Power strip, or surge protector? And to echo Steve and Elephant, are your speakers near a large appliance?

I have experienced noise / static in the past with my 20s (I think I may have mentioned this before), the loud, glitchy, digital, startling, kind, it was traced to a bad surge protector, it has happened only once after I removed the offending surge protector, and I'm contemplating getting a line conditioner to protect my investment. It has indeed happened again only once (plugged directly into the wall), that leads me to think that the BL20s may be sensitive to picking up noise from home wiring -- My speakers are placed in a room adjacent to the HVAC likely using the same electrical circuit. 

 

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 6:41 PM
The static is rather loud and very rythmical, sort of tick, tick, every couple of seconds.

My Beolab 9s were connected to a Panamax power conditioner which in turn is connected to a Monster Power voltage stabilizer. At present the 20s are connected directly to the outlets as the cords from the 9s do not fit the 20s. I have ordered a new longer cord from Sounds Heavenly.

The speakers are connected via powerlink to a BV7.

Other sources do not have static although I may have heard a much softer occasional, non rythmical static with other sources. I need to do some more listening as I only discovered the static with the Sonos disconnected this morning before leaving for work.

There has been no static in the Essence until the 20s arrived which would make me think it could be the 20s. However, I have Beolab 1s at the other end of the house and they also have the static when I play the Sonos. I have not had a chance to see if they still have static from the Essence, with Sonos disconnected, as the 20s do. I will test that later today.

No appliances near the 20s except for an air conditioner outside of the house adjacent to the wall where the 20s are.

Not sure what you mean about the tone. Is that something when you have the 20s connected wirelessly?

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 6:45 PM
I should have said chime, not tone, in last sentence of previous post.

Also, while 20s are plugged directly in to a wall outlet at present, there is nothing else on the circuit other than the BV7, BluRay, Panamax, Monster Power, etc as the circuit was designed as a dedicated circuit for B and O when house was constructed.

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 9:27 PM

Static is present on Beolab 1s also.  Even unplugged the 20s to see if having them connected was somehow causing the problem. Static still present in the 1s.

Have had the Essence for several months with flawless performance. It is mounted in the exact same location it has been since I purchased it, mounted on a wall in the basement. Beomaster 5, and router also are in same place.  Listening to Spotify right now through the Essence. No static. Also tried Tune In. No static.  Beomaster 5 trimmed to Essence and back through Aux In of Beomaster 5, again no static except one brief tick when selecting a new track.

 

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 9:32 PM

Logged in to Deezer on computer.  No static there. So it seems the problem is with the Essence. But as nothing has changed in t's setup after months of flawless performance, perhaps there is a problem with it?

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 11:11 PM

I connected the Sonos directly to a Beolab 4000. No static.

I connected the Essence directly to the Beolab 4000. No static.

So it seems to me the problem is one of three things:

1. The Behringer device connecting the Essence to the  5 has gone bad.

2. The Beomaster 5 has gone bad.

3. I don't think this is likely, but some setting is off in the BeoSetup app?

 

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elephant replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 11:22 PM
Razlaw:

Logged in to Deezer on computer. No static there. So it seems the problem is with the Essence. But as nothing has changed in t's setup after months of flawless performance, perhaps there is a problem with it?

Have got auto update on for the Essence ?

A new version, 1.6, became available this week. Added google cast, timer, and alarm functions.

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 11:24 PM

I suppose the next test should be reconnecting my Beosound 3000 to the system and connecting the Sonos to the Aux In of it and seeing what happens. If static, perhaps the Behringer is bad, if no static, the Beomaster?

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 11:35 PM
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Have got auto update on for the Essence ?

A new version, 1.6, became available this week. Added google cast, timer, and alarm functions.

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Yes. I have that update.

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elephant replied on Wed, Jun 29 2016 11:58 PM
I have just done a simple test.

As you may recall I have BL20s connected via PL cables directly into my Essence.

I played the iPhone's Deezer App for one track. The the Essence's Deezer for another track. Also did Essences TuneIn and an iOS library track.

None of them produced what you described.

Although at one point of silence as I was flicking between Apps and emails for forgotten passwords I thought I heard a sharp click-click from the right hand BL20. But I can't be sure of that - could have been a sound reflect by glass from other rooms.

And which I crouch next to the speakers in idle with the volume at 75% or 270 degrees :) all I can hear is my own tinnitus :(

Now up to the third Deezer recording via the Essence App and still nothing.

I have been getting Elton and Blondie to help with the tests ...

Do you have an alternate listening choice?

BTW I am no longer (I think) paying for Deezer premium.

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Jun 30 2016 1:30 AM

Thanks for all of the input and suggestions!   I realized connecting the 3000 would not tell me anything as the Aux In does not need the Behringer device, just the right cables.

I may have solved the problem. I went back to the old stand by fix for electronics. Unplugged the Beosound 5 and then reconnected to the power.

Right now I am listening to Deezer from the Essence with no static!  On my Beolab 1s. Have not yet tried the Beolab 20s or tried reconnecting the Sonos connect.

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Jun 30 2016 2:01 AM

I tried the 20s. The problem static was gone from them also!   I did hear a couple imperfections, or static. Not sure if it was static or imperfections in the recording/track that I do not hear when listening to my other speakers. 

I am awaiting delivery of a new longer power cord from Sounds Heavenly so that I can disconnect the 20s from the wall outlet and connect to my power conditioner and voltage stabilizer.  Hopefully, as with Sal's 20s that will solve any remaining static issues. 

Have not yet reconnected the Sonos.

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elephant replied on Thu, Jun 30 2016 3:03 AM
Yay! Progress :)

I suspect your BL20s are highlighting recording imperfections or sonic peculiarities that were always there: remember my concern of the S&G recoding of The Boxer ? And it wasn't distortion! It was a kazoo or whatever makes that sort of noise :)

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Razlaw:

I tried the 20s. The problem static was gone from them also!   I did hear a couple imperfections, or static. Not sure if it was static or imperfections in the recording/track that I do not hear when listening to my other speakers. 

I am awaiting delivery of a new longer power cord from Sounds Heavenly so that I can disconnect the 20s from the wall outlet and connect to my power conditioner and voltage stabilizer.  Hopefully, as with Sal's 20s that will solve any remaining static issues. 

Have not yet reconnected the Sonos.

Hi Razlaw,

Good to hear about the improvement! Your cable was shipped yesterday, so this should reach you very soon.

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Jun 30 2016 9:57 PM
The static had returned today Confused

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Razlaw:

The static had returned today

Time to read the problem analysis chapter of "The Rational Manager".

As I recall it they have a case study where the cause of intermittent problems in factory was a radar station's signal from a nearby airport !

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Razlaw replied on Fri, Jul 1 2016 2:22 PM

I tried connecting the Behringer to the other USB input on the Beomaster 5. Static still present.  I then went in to the Beosetup app and changed the setting for line in sensitivity from disable to medium.  For now, the static is gone. But previously, changing from medium to disable solved the problem.

Next time the static returns I am going to disconnect the Beomaster, connect my Beosound 3000 and use the aux in on it. If there is no problem there, I will at lleast know the problem is with the Behringer or the Beomaster.. Also, I still have not tried reconnecting the Sonos to the Essence.

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Razlaw replied on Fri, Jul 1 2016 2:37 PM

As the Sonos is not connected, I am not sure why changing the line in sensitivity would have any affect on it. But so far, all continues to work.

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Razlaw replied on Fri, Jul 1 2016 3:07 PM

After listening to Deezer for quite awhile, I switched to a BuRay and then N. Music on the Beosound 5. When I went back to Deezer, the static had returned. So I tend to think the problem is in the Beomaster?  Something about switching between Beomaster sources triggers the problem?

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Razlaw replied on Fri, Jul 1 2016 3:54 PM

I have said this before, and been wrong. But I think I have the problem solved. I reconnected my Beosound 3000 to the system. This also meant I had to change settings on Beosound 5 from being Audio Master and make the Beosound 3000 the Audio Master. I had not wanted to do that as I did not want to lose Spotify on the Beosound 5 but with it and Deezer on the Essence, and possibly canceling Spotify to use Deezer it does not matter.

Connected the Essence to the Aux In of the 3000 and the Sonos to the Essence 

Everything seems to work!  no static!

Hopefully it continues to work

Occasional one bit of static when switching tracks via the app but don't think there is anything that can be done about that.

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Razlaw replied on Sun, Jul 3 2016 5:33 PM
Two days later...and still no static...😀

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elephant replied on Sun, Jul 3 2016 11:13 PM
Razlaw:

Two days later...and still no static...😀

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