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Beoberg:

No HDR is a catastrophe! Ick! The FHD to 4K upgrade is nothing without HDR. I thought they learned their lesson with the Avant not being fully 4K ready. What are they thinking?!

Agreed.  Early this year the standards for 4K Bluray Discs were announced for all TV makers and content providers which included HDR.  Analysts agree that HDR is probably the single most impressive 4K feature.  Most are already providing this feature as standard.  But when you load up one of these discs on your shiny new BV14 it will tell you that your TV isn't capable of displaying this disc at its full HDR quality.  I can't imagine HDR being included on either the Horizon and Avant NG if it's not on the BV14.  It's very sad that a 'premium' brand like B&O will potentially release three new TVs this year that don't meet minimum standards. 

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Forgive my ignorance but what is available to watch in hdr. I have sky an they only just released football in uhd

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L1NO replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:16 AM

 

This is such a weird interpretation of 'wood' against the Beolab 18 balerina's. (Like'd the sketch of Pan better)

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I look forward to seeing it in the flesh. I wonder if the horizontal lamellas would clash with the vertical oak lamellas on the BL18s or complement them. I can't decide from the pics.

Surprised about the lack of HDR.

I think it's a great juxtaposition (I hate that word)
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malcolm welborn:

Forgive my ignorance but what is available to watch in hdr. I have sky an they only just released football in uhd

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4K Blu Ray discs. Big Smile
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vikinger replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:26 AM

L1NO:

 

This is such a weird interpretation of 'wood' against the Beolab 18 balerina's. (Like'd the sketch of Pan better)

 

Sometimes Google Translate gets it right:

"BeoVision 14 is available with a new speaker front of the tree .................."

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markiedee replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:28 AM

Quick check on the specs show that the bv14 is 100hz as opposed to the bv11 200hz  processor and they seem to have reduced the amount of hdmis from six to four.

Wonder why they did that??

 

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rob08 replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:33 AM
It looks amazing with great additional tech vs BV11 and I was basically dialing my dealer to ask for an upgrade from my BV11 when I noticed that there's no HDR. That is totally incomprehensible to release a high end tv without maybe the one defining picture feature that sets it visually apart from Full HD. Too bad for such a beautiful TV.
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koning replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:37 AM

Panasonic released a Sw update to have HDR on there screens

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Solidsnake replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:40 AM

Aussie Michael:
malcolm welborn:

 

Forgive my ignorance but what is available to watch in hdr. I have sky an they only just released football in uhd

 

malcolm welborn

 

 

4K Blu Ray discs. Big Smile

 

Sky have also said that they will be including HDR as part of their 4K features in the future too. So in the future your Sky box will be outputting a HDR signal that the BV14 can't handle.

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Hiort replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:42 AM

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Wood looks awefull, last picture it looks crooked — flintstone.

What do you mean with "crooked - flintstone"? Indifferent

 

 

 

 

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Duels replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:42 AM
Aussie Michael:

I think it's a great juxtaposition (I hate that word)

I suspect you are right Michael. The lamellas are different enough from the BL18 to make it interesting.

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L1NO replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 10:55 AM

Hiort:

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Wood looks awefull, last picture it looks crooked — flintstone.

What do you mean with "crooked - flintstone"? Indifferent

While the BL18 look great with wood — aligned, refined, tall, modern-structured and ballerina alike. The Photo's of the BV14 give a more 'tree-branch' / 'pile of wood' ..  look and feel. Maybe the BV was designed to grab more attention?

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Duels replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 11:04 AM
I think it is generally very difficult to tell how B&O stuff really looks from photos. Especially when they involve something different like the wood in this case.

I didn't get the BL18 when I first saw the photos but when I saw it in the flesh I fell in love!
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Duels:

I think it is generally very difficult to tell how B&O stuff really looks from photos. Especially when they involve something different like the wood in this case.

I didn't get the BL18 when I first saw the photos but when I saw it in the flesh I fell in love!

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vikinger replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 11:15 AM

Is there too much concern about HDR?  TV stations do not broadcast HDR, and unless film material has been filmed with HDR cameras in the first place an HDR TV will not show anything different from a normal TV.

How much HDR filmed material is actually around?

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benoit replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 11:28 AM

As the BV14 has been presented now, can we expect to see as well the Horizon and the new Beosound 1 & 2 or will we have to wait till next month at IFA?

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For uhd sky charge another £12 per month  so when they do hdr no doubt more money for very little programme material.

as I understand  it   anything less than 55 inch  you cannot tell the difference so all these tvs from other brands with hdr and uhd at 40 and 46 inch  are not much use

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VANTAGE replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 11:35 AM

Here is Flatpanels' presentation of BV14: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1470814032

What is not clear to me is what exactly the Avant NG, apparently to be released this month too, is going to offer on top of BV14. Is it only going to be a matter of looks?

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Duels replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 11:42 AM
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What is not clear to me is what exactly the Avant NG, apparently to be released this month too, is going to offer on top of BV14. Is it only going to be a matter of looks?

Choice of looks I guess plus bigger screen sizes.
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vikinger replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 11:47 AM

malcolm welborn:

For uhd sky charge another £12 per month  so when they do hdr no doubt more money for very little programme material.

as I understand  it   anything less than 55 inch  you cannot tell the difference so all these tvs from other brands with hdr and uhd at 40 and 46 inch  are not much use

malcolm

Agreed.

It will be just like when DVD players first came out. This time showrooms will run one of the limited range of HDR films available, and buyers will be really disappointed to find that their normal TV pictures look no different. But, if the latest panels are being used by B&O, shouldn't they be upgradeable to HDR via software (as indicated above by koning re Panasonic)?

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HDR capability for me is not so much about what is available now. If I pay 10K EUR for a TV, I need to have it future-proof for the next 5-10 years, especially when it looks so beautiful as BV14.

Also, no way I pay super premium on price without today's tech standards incorporated as a bare minimum apart from obviously outstanding looks, B&O integration and other things.

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 12:22 PM
This is why I resisted the 1st Avant...the 14 looks fab but no HDR?....Hope an update for it is in the works then I'm interested! See what new Avant is like if not then wait for the oled but got chance too expensive so may jump ship to the other brand Sad
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Solidsnake replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 12:24 PM

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HDR capability for me is not so much about what is available now. If I pay 10K EUR for a TV, I need to have it future-proof for the next 5-10 years, especially when it looks so beautiful as BV14.

Also, no way I pay super premium on price without today's tech standards incorporated as a bare minimum apart from obviously outstanding looks, B&O integration and other things.

Well said.

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Duels replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 12:32 PM
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Panasonic released a Sw update to have HDR on there screens

Is it just a software update that's required?
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Hiort replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 12:38 PM
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Is it just a software update that's required?

Nope. The panel has to be HDR capable.

It's not only software

 

 

 

 

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Hiort replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 12:45 PM
Regarding HDR, I think from the various demos I have viewed that HDR makes more of a difference on e.g a 40" screen than 4K resolution does.

 

 

 

 

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Michael replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 12:45 PM

I think people should Google HDR and read a litlte about it. Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible? 

But just buying a TV because it has a HDR sticker on it is not a wise move, just like there is a lot of small cameras with enormous megapixel amounts most of us know that the sensor size, lens and photographer means more than squeezing millions of pixels onto small areas. HDR is almost the same. If not everything is of good quality, then it don't really mean anything more than a sales pitch. 

I would say that the current BV lineup has great color gamut and saturation. Colors looks rich and vivid. The panels are obviously really great. They are probably even better than many cheaper sets with HDR. In many other areas as well. 

Of course, having the HDR-specs in the hardware/software would mean that material in HDR-depth will look more as it was meant to be shown. More details in hues and so forth. But don't forget an LCD is still an LCD. With the current backlight technologies OLED and other upcoming technologies are still richer in contrast, colours and depth of blacks.   

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malcolm welborn:

For uhd sky charge another £12 per month so when they do hdr no doubt more money for very little programme material.

as I understand it anything less than 55 inch you cannot tell the difference so all these tvs from other brands with hdr and uhd at 40 and 46 inch are not much use

malcolm

I'm not so sure. I saw a 55 inch UHD HDR Tv in Harrods, next to last years non HDR model playing the same material and the difference was considerable. If I'd bought last years model and saw that(Beovision 14 owners take note) I'd be hopping mad I hadn't waited.

Amdy these TVs were £2-3,000, not £7-9,000.

A quick list of the top UHD discs available. If you look at the reviews, virtually every one highlights the magnificent HDR.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/what-is-ultra-hd-blu-ray

To not have HDR is madness in my view, and reminds me of the decision to use DVI v adopt this new fanged HDMI that everyone is usingErm..

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Marcello replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 12:56 PM

I wonder why they dropped one HDMI port... 4 instead of 5.

 

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Weebyx replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 1:12 PM

Is this (one of) the TP Vision platform tv's ?

I heard earlier this year, that some of the newer tv's were from TP Vision(something something Philips), and that might be the reason to why the specs are as is.

Maybe the platform was the one available when they started the design of the new range TV's ?

Have not heard of Beosystem 5 or something else, so I wonder (and fear) that this is just a TP Vision tv with B&O frame and logo. Off-course with added multiroom and so on.

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Hiort replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 1:36 PM

Michael:

Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible? 

Yes, thats my point. These things must be as per "HDR specs". People here tend to think its just a software thing. Its not.


Michael:

But just buying a TV because it has a HDR sticker on it is not a wise move, just like there is a lot of small cameras with enormous megapixel amounts most of us know that the sensor size, lens and photographer means more than squeezing millions of pixels onto small areas. HDR is almost the same. If not everything is of good quality, then it don't really mean anything more than a sales pitch. 

Contents produced with HDR played on a HDR capable screen is an awesome experience. But I think OLED is a better technology for this. So that maybe why B&O skipped HDR this time

 

 

 

 

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Pretty much sums it up - "Beovision 14 sports 4K but snubs HDR. B&O's omission is glaring..."

http://ce-pro.eu/2016/08/bang-olufsen-beovision-14-sports-4k-snubs-hdr/

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Beoberg replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 1:50 PM

From a sales point of view there is no doubt that the lack of HDR is a major, major mistake. Both established B&O buyers and newcomers will, for the most part, be aware of what happens in the TV-industry. It is like back in the day with 24p support. This was a big deal as to cancel motion judder in films. I knew a lot of non B&O friends at that time who choose TV's (Panasonic, SONY etc.) with the 24p support in mind. And they actually ended up buying a TV with 24p support. I see HDR as a similar improvement. It has big importance for people who wants to enjoy movies with the best posssible picture quality. The BV14 is a high end TV from a high-end AV-manufactorer and yet it has 2-year old specs and only 100 HZ (I know it really does not really matter - but what the ....?!). Even Loewe has HDR TV's out already. I am completely baffled about this release from Bang & Olufsen. If this was the new V2 TV at 20.000 DKK I would have understood but at more than double the price. I just can't figure out what's going on. Did they buy of cancelled panels from the early 4K era?! Who even makes quality 40" panels anymore?!

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 2:14 PM
If B and O are useing LG panels then the LG tv's are HDR ready as why no HDR B and O? You dummiesStick out tongue
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moxxey replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 2:43 PM

Solidsnake:

Pretty much sums it up - "Beovision 14 sports 4K but snubs HDR. B&O's omission is glaring..."

http://ce-pro.eu/2016/08/bang-olufsen-beovision-14-sports-4k-snubs-hdr/

Hey, we were just saying in the other thread how B&O needs more press and marketing. They've just done that. By missing out a key feature!

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moxxey replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 2:47 PM

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Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible? 

Yes, thats my point. These things must be as per "HDR specs". People here tend to think its just a software thing. Its not.

No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.

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Hiort replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 2:57 PM

moxxey:

Hiort:

Michael:

Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible? 

Yes, thats my point. These things must be as per "HDR specs". People here tend to think its just a software thing. Its not.

No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.

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moxxey:

No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.

We do now........

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moxxey replied on Wed, Aug 10 2016 3:13 PM

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moxxey:

No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.

We do now........

The above still holds true, Chris. That B&O PR person will only know what the specs tell him/her.

We still don't know if the actual panel is HDR or not. It might be that B&O has chosen not to activate/support this function, for whatever reason.

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