ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
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Beoberg: No HDR is a catastrophe! The FHD to 4K upgrade is nothing without HDR. I thought they learned their lesson with the Avant not being fully 4K ready. What are they thinking?!
No HDR is a catastrophe! The FHD to 4K upgrade is nothing without HDR. I thought they learned their lesson with the Avant not being fully 4K ready. What are they thinking?!
Agreed. Early this year the standards for 4K Bluray Discs were announced for all TV makers and content providers which included HDR. Analysts agree that HDR is probably the single most impressive 4K feature. Most are already providing this feature as standard. But when you load up one of these discs on your shiny new BV14 it will tell you that your TV isn't capable of displaying this disc at its full HDR quality. I can't imagine HDR being included on either the Horizon and Avant NG if it's not on the BV14. It's very sad that a 'premium' brand like B&O will potentially release three new TVs this year that don't meet minimum standards.
Forgive my ignorance but what is available to watch in hdr. I have sky an they only just released football in uhd
malcolm welborn
This is such a weird interpretation of 'wood' against the Beolab 18 balerina's. (Like'd the sketch of Pan better)
Duels:I look forward to seeing it in the flesh. I wonder if the horizontal lamellas would clash with the vertical oak lamellas on the BL18s or complement them. I can't decide from the pics. Surprised about the lack of HDR.
malcolm welborn:Forgive my ignorance but what is available to watch in hdr. I have sky an they only just released football in uhd malcolm welborn
L1NO: This is such a weird interpretation of 'wood' against the Beolab 18 balerina's. (Like'd the sketch of Pan better)
Sometimes Google Translate gets it right:
"BeoVision 14 is available with a new speaker front of the tree .................."
Quick check on the specs show that the bv14 is 100hz as opposed to the bv11 200hz processor and they seem to have reduced the amount of hdmis from six to four.
Wonder why they did that??
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Panasonic released a Sw update to have HDR on there screens
Aussie Michael: malcolm welborn: Forgive my ignorance but what is available to watch in hdr. I have sky an they only just released football in uhd malcolm welborn 4K Blu Ray discs.
malcolm welborn: Forgive my ignorance but what is available to watch in hdr. I have sky an they only just released football in uhd malcolm welborn
4K Blu Ray discs.
Sky have also said that they will be including HDR as part of their 4K features in the future too. So in the future your Sky box will be outputting a HDR signal that the BV14 can't handle.
L1NO: Wood looks awefull, last picture it looks crooked — flintstone.
Wood looks awefull, last picture it looks crooked — flintstone.
What do you mean with "crooked - flintstone"?
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Aussie Michael:I think it's a great juxtaposition (I hate that word)
Hiort: L1NO: Wood looks awefull, last picture it looks crooked — flintstone. What do you mean with "crooked - flintstone"?
While the BL18 look great with wood — aligned, refined, tall, modern-structured and ballerina alike. The Photo's of the BV14 give a more 'tree-branch' / 'pile of wood' .. look and feel. Maybe the BV was designed to grab more attention?
Duels:I think it is generally very difficult to tell how B&O stuff really looks from photos. Especially when they involve something different like the wood in this case. I didn't get the BL18 when I first saw the photos but when I saw it in the flesh I fell in love!
Is there too much concern about HDR? TV stations do not broadcast HDR, and unless film material has been filmed with HDR cameras in the first place an HDR TV will not show anything different from a normal TV.
How much HDR filmed material is actually around?
Graham
As the BV14 has been presented now, can we expect to see as well the Horizon and the new Beosound 1 & 2 or will we have to wait till next month at IFA?
For uhd sky charge another £12 per month so when they do hdr no doubt more money for very little programme material.
as I understand it anything less than 55 inch you cannot tell the difference so all these tvs from other brands with hdr and uhd at 40 and 46 inch are not much use
malcolm
Here is Flatpanels' presentation of BV14: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1470814032
What is not clear to me is what exactly the Avant NG, apparently to be released this month too, is going to offer on top of BV14. Is it only going to be a matter of looks?
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VANTAGE: What is not clear to me is what exactly the Avant NG, apparently to be released this month too, is going to offer on top of BV14. Is it only going to be a matter of looks?
malcolm welborn: For uhd sky charge another £12 per month so when they do hdr no doubt more money for very little programme material. as I understand it anything less than 55 inch you cannot tell the difference so all these tvs from other brands with hdr and uhd at 40 and 46 inch are not much use malcolm
Agreed.
It will be just like when DVD players first came out. This time showrooms will run one of the limited range of HDR films available, and buyers will be really disappointed to find that their normal TV pictures look no different. But, if the latest panels are being used by B&O, shouldn't they be upgradeable to HDR via software (as indicated above by koning re Panasonic)?
HDR capability for me is not so much about what is available now. If I pay 10K EUR for a TV, I need to have it future-proof for the next 5-10 years, especially when it looks so beautiful as BV14.
Also, no way I pay super premium on price without today's tech standards incorporated as a bare minimum apart from obviously outstanding looks, B&O integration and other things.
AnalogPlanet: HDR capability for me is not so much about what is available now. If I pay 10K EUR for a TV, I need to have it future-proof for the next 5-10 years, especially when it looks so beautiful as BV14. Also, no way I pay super premium on price without today's tech standards incorporated as a bare minimum apart from obviously outstanding looks, B&O integration and other things.
Well said.
koning:Panasonic released a Sw update to have HDR on there screens
Duels:Is it just a software update that's required?
I think people should Google HDR and read a litlte about it. Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible? But just buying a TV because it has a HDR sticker on it is not a wise move, just like there is a lot of small cameras with enormous megapixel amounts most of us know that the sensor size, lens and photographer means more than squeezing millions of pixels onto small areas. HDR is almost the same. If not everything is of good quality, then it don't really mean anything more than a sales pitch. I would say that the current BV lineup has great color gamut and saturation. Colors looks rich and vivid. The panels are obviously really great. They are probably even better than many cheaper sets with HDR. In many other areas as well. Of course, having the HDR-specs in the hardware/software would mean that material in HDR-depth will look more as it was meant to be shown. More details in hues and so forth. But don't forget an LCD is still an LCD. With the current backlight technologies OLED and other upcoming technologies are still richer in contrast, colours and depth of blacks.
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malcolm welborn:For uhd sky charge another £12 per month so when they do hdr no doubt more money for very little programme material. as I understand it anything less than 55 inch you cannot tell the difference so all these tvs from other brands with hdr and uhd at 40 and 46 inch are not much use malcolm
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I wonder why they dropped one HDMI port... 4 instead of 5.
Is this (one of) the TP Vision platform tv's ?
I heard earlier this year, that some of the newer tv's were from TP Vision(something something Philips), and that might be the reason to why the specs are as is.
Maybe the platform was the one available when they started the design of the new range TV's ?
Have not heard of Beosystem 5 or something else, so I wonder (and fear) that this is just a TP Vision tv with B&O frame and logo. Off-course with added multiroom and so on.
/Weebyx
Michael: Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible?
Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible?
Yes, thats my point. These things must be as per "HDR specs". People here tend to think its just a software thing. Its not.
Michael:But just buying a TV because it has a HDR sticker on it is not a wise move, just like there is a lot of small cameras with enormous megapixel amounts most of us know that the sensor size, lens and photographer means more than squeezing millions of pixels onto small areas. HDR is almost the same. If not everything is of good quality, then it don't really mean anything more than a sales pitch.
Contents produced with HDR played on a HDR capable screen is an awesome experience. But I think OLED is a better technology for this. So that maybe why B&O skipped HDR this time
Pretty much sums it up - "Beovision 14 sports 4K but snubs HDR. B&O's omission is glaring..."
http://ce-pro.eu/2016/08/bang-olufsen-beovision-14-sports-4k-snubs-hdr/
From a sales point of view there is no doubt that the lack of HDR is a major, major mistake. Both established B&O buyers and newcomers will, for the most part, be aware of what happens in the TV-industry. It is like back in the day with 24p support. This was a big deal as to cancel motion judder in films. I knew a lot of non B&O friends at that time who choose TV's (Panasonic, SONY etc.) with the 24p support in mind. And they actually ended up buying a TV with 24p support. I see HDR as a similar improvement. It has big importance for people who wants to enjoy movies with the best posssible picture quality. The BV14 is a high end TV from a high-end AV-manufactorer and yet it has 2-year old specs and only 100 HZ (I know it really does not really matter - but what the ....?!). Even Loewe has HDR TV's out already. I am completely baffled about this release from Bang & Olufsen. If this was the new V2 TV at 20.000 DKK I would have understood but at more than double the price. I just can't figure out what's going on. Did they buy of cancelled panels from the early 4K era?! Who even makes quality 40" panels anymore?!
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Solidsnake: Pretty much sums it up - "Beovision 14 sports 4K but snubs HDR. B&O's omission is glaring..." http://ce-pro.eu/2016/08/bang-olufsen-beovision-14-sports-4k-snubs-hdr/
Hey, we were just saying in the other thread how B&O needs more press and marketing. They've just done that. By missing out a key feature!
Hiort: Michael: Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible? Yes, thats my point. These things must be as per "HDR specs". People here tend to think its just a software thing. Its not.
No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.
moxxey: Hiort: Michael: Color depth is dependent on a lot of stuff. Processing, source material and the panel to name just the most important parts. If the image processor has the "power" and the panel is good enough for the HDR color gamut then why wouldn't a software update be possible? Yes, thats my point. These things must be as per "HDR specs". People here tend to think its just a software thing. Its not. No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.
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moxxey:No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.
Chris Townsend: moxxey: No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel. We do now........
moxxey: No, but to be fair we don't know if the panel is actually HDR-compatible or not. It might be a case of B&O not announcing it in the specs for whatever reason. It could be a HDR 4K panel.
We do now........
The above still holds true, Chris. That B&O PR person will only know what the specs tell him/her.
We still don't know if the actual panel is HDR or not. It might be that B&O has chosen not to activate/support this function, for whatever reason.