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BM4400 Basket Case

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Craig Posted: Tue, Dec 6 2016 5:31 PM

I really must get a grip on this.........maybe a therapist is the answer, I just cant seem to help myself when I see one of these in a state of neglect. This one was sold very cheaply as "powers up but no sound" hardly surprising!

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The inside is no better.....never seen one this dusty inside

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Should be interesting cleaning this out......

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Just like mine, at least my top cover was in one piece, but look at the positive, the sliders are clear, here the long thread, I recommend to go all out on yours, a lot of work, but I have been using mine ever since.

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Peter replied on Tue, Dec 6 2016 7:55 PM

You are a glutton for punishment! I'll have to give you the VX5000 I have hanging around - that will tax you! Or maybe the Beocord 5000 - the hardest piece of B&O to make work reliably!

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chartz replied on Tue, Dec 6 2016 8:02 PM
Peter:

You are a glutton for punishment! I'll have to give you the VX5000 I have hanging around - that will tax you! Or maybe the Beocord 5000 - the hardest piece of B&O to make work reliably!

Not true: I have two working examples Stick out tongue

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Peter replied on Tue, Dec 6 2016 11:43 PM

Would you trust your best tape in it!! Big Smile

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riverstyx replied on Wed, Dec 7 2016 12:19 AM

Søren Mexico:
but look at the positive, the sliders are clear

hehe, that was the first thing that I noticed too... always look for the positives! Smile

 

 

 

 

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Craig I have a BM 4400 coming in after Xmas, bought it for parts, maybe the top cover is better than yours, the top free to go for shippingcosts

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beo3000 replied on Wed, Dec 7 2016 6:04 PM

I was thinking about bidding on that but decided against it seeing the ding on the front, did it get damaged in the post or something ? as the cover was in one piece when up for sale,

I will watch this thread with interest as your project comes to a finished piece, Best of luck

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Craig replied on Thu, Dec 8 2016 8:15 AM

Søren Mexico:

Craig I have a BM 4400 coming in after Xmas, bought it for parts, maybe the top cover is better than yours, the top free to go for shippingcosts

Soren

Thank you for your kind offer.....I may well take you up on that! however for the time being I have decided to go all out and recover the case with a Firr Burr Veneer.......never tried this sort of thing, but hey...I had never restored an audio amp this time last year! the Firr Burr is a blonde'ish colour with interesting patterns which, if I can pull it off, will look quite different.

The condition of the case was indeed made worse by delivery, though it shows signs of attempted repair in the past with a poor quality adhesive....I think the ding in the front can be polished out, hopefully a full recap and clean will go a long way towards the internal issues.

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Thats the spirit, I already have promised some of the sliders to a forum member, I will get back with news about the condition of my spare part BM 4400

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Made a start early in the week following lots of research on veneer technique's.....there's lots of information out there. Decided on cold pressed unbacked veneer, seems preparation is the thing. There is lots of examples of veneering over existing veneer provided the existing is well attached and in good condition, having dismantled the case fully and sanding it down it is in remarkably good shape.....with hindsight I could have just applied a finisher and wax polish and it would probably have been quite acceptable. 

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Reverse side...which will also require a veneer to stop the boards warping

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the new skin prior to softening

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That's a beautiful grain! I'm excited to see how this turns out. What kind of wood veneer are you using?
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That is very nice! I love burr wood - I have burr elm in my Triumph.

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Craig replied on Mon, Dec 19 2016 7:38 AM

Tell you what......they don't make them like they used too! lovely interior on your GT6 Peter, open top version must be very rare.

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Completed the reverse sides of the case...didn't need to put so much effort into this side of these as they will never be seen, however it gave me the chance to practice the application of the shellac and beeswax finish, the top side was chosen as can be seen, I put too much shellac on it and its left it a bit lumpy to the touch. was a bit tricky doing the cut outs too, and there is a bit missing from the bottom of the top one. 

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Dillen replied on Tue, Dec 20 2016 12:54 PM

Have you checked that there is room for the new inside veneer?

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Craig replied on Tue, Dec 20 2016 2:23 PM

Of course not........where would be the fun in that? however with an unsanded thickness of 0.5mm I'm optimistic that the cover will slip into place, and rest assured if it wont I will report it here first ;¬)

Now I'm off to do some quick measurements.................

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removed the top cover from my "press" this morning (two sections of deep skirting board, two sheets of greaseproof paper and four very heavy concrete blocks). The adhesive has set but still needs to cure in the open air, no signs of warping as yet however there has been some "bleed through" of adhesive which given the number of knots in the veneer is not surprising, it will dry clear according to the manufacturer

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reverse side, I will seal this with shellac and re affix the heat reflecting tape.

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The panels are starting to take shape now, each has been given a couple of coats of shellac and further sanding, the shellac shows up the occasional parallel line left by the cutting tool when it was shaved from the parent log, these cant be seen until shellac and sanded....I also need to cut and fit the end trims for the top cover, thought it best to wait until the top sanding was complete in case I knocked them off.

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And while waiting for the coats to dry I thought I should get on and clean up the easy targets, when all the dust is cleaned away and new caps/trimmers are fitted its not looking bad at all.Things will have to go on hold for a few days now as there are bottles of champagne to open and hangovers to nurse ;¬)

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taking advantage of the lull in the festivities I have spent some time on the leading edge trim, this had taken a couple of knocks one of which was quite deep and took more removing that I originally thought.

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This has removed the brushed aluminium finish from the effected area and left it polished......wont do.

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there has followed a complete resurfacing exercise for the whole trim to ensure a uniform appearance, lots of information on the internet around brushed aluminium finishing, I used the 400 grit sandpaper method and repeated until I got the desired result.

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Ventilation grill and leading edge trim fitted to top of case, starting to get there at last.....

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Peter replied on Fri, Dec 30 2016 6:08 PM

If the finish on the aluminium doesn't work long term, I used brushed stainless steel when I fixed a Beovision 8902 a number of years ago - looked very good! Easy to source and comes in a variety of strip widths.

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Peter replied on Fri, Dec 30 2016 6:09 PM

The wood looks fabulous though  - I look forward to seeing when I am down.

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thanks Peter.......things are moving on a little, the finish isn't perfect.....but it's the best I can do.

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Need to crack on with the rest of the work shortly, this has taken most of my time to date.

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The sliders and linear pots in a bit of a state

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However the main PCB and components are cleaning up quite well, isopropyl alcohol and an air duster are a good start.

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I'm still optimistic that the ding in the front panel between presets 2 and 3 can be teased out, swiss patern file perhaps....

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as it has been such a dull and uninspiring day I have spent some time on the slider and lense's, the volume slider has been dealt a blow powerful enough to leave a hole that is pretty much un repairable.

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I shall have to live with it and tell myself it adds "character" the rest has cleaned up nicely.

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Input board completed today

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Peter replied on Sun, Jan 8 2017 8:02 PM

Very impressive - I am looking forward to seeing it - I must come and collect some of my junk sometime!

Peter

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