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Chris Townsend Posted: Wed, Dec 14 2016 1:46 PM

First bit of publicity I've seen.

 

 

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1481706987

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Michael replied on Wed, Dec 14 2016 4:17 PM
Chris Townsend:

First bit of publicity I've seen.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1481706987

Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Avant RF 28, Beolab 9, Beolit 15, Beoplay A1/A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H3 ANC/H8/H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1

Why new thread?

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Because I haven't seen a thread with any external or internal publicity for that matter, on the Avant NG!

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Michael replied on Wed, Dec 14 2016 5:48 PM
Okey, but there is a long thread about it on Avant NG Calibration but I guess we can start a new thread.

I don't like the brass edition, the black stand looks... strange.

I wonder about the dimming, it seems to be a cheaper solution now than before on both 55" and 75" with only 85" having local dimming. This is a mayor concern to me, but I don't know if it reallly is just one global dimming zone now on the 55"/75".

Another thing, I think it has one less HDMI and many fever powerlink outputs.

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I'd need to look into it more before kicking off on here, but one day I'll sell my 7-55 for a leap in technology. At the moment I'm not seeing it.

Sure it's got UHD but the bit I want from that is HDR. I love my 7-6 speaker, but I don't think the 7-40 or 55 processes vocals very well. I'm constantly turning the Tv up to here speech clearly, only for it to explode into life and I'm turning it down again! Geoff reckons the Avant system is better and he had a 7-55.

I never liked the silver speaker, so I don't mind the gold[:\'(]

My perfect Avant would have a 4K player built into it like the original Avants DVD, and UHD HDR leading edge screen technology. Something I don't mind investing in.

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Duels replied on Wed, Dec 14 2016 6:32 PM
Actually I rather like the look of the brass edition and the black stand.
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Having taken another look so do I actually. Nice subtle change.Yes - thumbs up

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I think its very nice in Brass!!Smile

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olvisab replied on Wed, Dec 14 2016 9:31 PM

dear chris, don't be surprised to have poor vocals on your bv 7 55 if you use your bl 7.6 only or as center speaker.

I don't have any issue with my bv7 40 mk6 nor my 7 55 mk2 with a bl10

The choice of the right center speaker is more important than we used to believe

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I honestly don't think it's anything to do with the speaker, rather the technology. I had exactly the same problem with our 7-40 with a Beolab 7-4. Whatever I did I couldn't amplify the centre channel.

My mother in laws Avant RF and our 5-42 have much better vocals. I think the new Avant does too. I can turn the 5-42 all the way down and still hear what's being said very clearly, not so on our 7-55.Angry

Anyway, will this next Avant be the last one I wonder?

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vlohjr1 replied on Wed, Dec 14 2016 10:51 PM
Chris Townsend:

I honestly don't think it's anything to do with the speaker, rather the technology. I had exactly the same problem with our 7-40 with a Beolab 7-4. Whatever I did I couldn't amplify the centre channel.

My mother in laws Avant RF and our 5-42 have much better vocals. I think the new Avant does too. I can turn the 5-42 all the way down and still hear what's being said very clearly, not so on our 7-55.

Anyway, will this next Avant be the last one I wonder? Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Avant RF 28, Beolab 9, Beolit 15, Beoplay A1/A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H3 ANC/H8/H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1

I totally agree I always thought my old 740 with 7-2 has poor vocals

My avant has a much better dialogue sound
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olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 6:43 AM

you didn't understood that on a bv 7 the level of the center speaker is set by pushing up or down the level of the front speaker, that's simple.

the beolab 7.4 is the worst center speaker, b&o has made. I met many users who dislike it. 

the 7.1, 7.2, 7.6 are not designed for being a center speaker.

I never had to touch the sound of any of my bv 7 when it is set correctly.

that doesn't mean the vocals of an avant are not better but if you had such issue with your bv 7 don't blame it but look at your settings or your ears.

 

 

 

 

 

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olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 7:09 AM

You can blame the bv 7 generation to lack of some menu settings but at least they were very well calibrated. With some tricks like this you can reach near perfection for the sound and picture.

I had to make 5 attemps at least for setting my 11 46 in order to have a very good picture for any source (sd or hd) and I have modifiied deeply the original settings for this purpose.

Being able to modify every setting is not a progress if at start the tv is not well calibrated. 

I am afraid that this point is going to be worse with any new generation.

One believe to have more freedom to set its tv but few have the capabilities to set it correctly in order to have an optimum picture and sound. Bang olufsen is more competent for this.

B&o please do this job and don't use the final user for setting your tv like any other tv maker is actually doing. Sony is very good in this field.

 

 

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Michael replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 8:12 AM
This is a thread about the Avant not the old 7-series right? :)

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 9:59 AM

I wonder when it will be actually released.....it will have the Android OS, and as such expect it to inherit the bugs that the 14s and Horizons are struggling with at the moment.......and i did laugh at the FlatPanels article mention of multi room......i'd bet good money that B&O dont have multi room working on the new platform TVs for another 6 months......

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Rombeek replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 10:25 AM

Avant NG vs Beovision 14

What are the main differences, except from design and 3D?

 

I would rather choose (design-wise) for a BV14, but is an Avant NG the "better" choice?

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 10:42 AM

isn't it much the same choice as previously existed between the current Avant and the BV11?

the designs havent really changed, and the panels are much the same big picture....ok, there is 4K now on both designs, now that the 14 has 4K, but there is no OLED or HDR...... 

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Soundwise the Avant's (old and NG) have a 3.0 speaker system - the 11/14 a 2.0.

Most importent of course, if you run the tv's without additional external speakers.

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olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 11:50 AM

is it your main function on this forum, to put every thread on the right way ? you just done it twice in this young thread.

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 11:51 AM
Sandyb:

isn't it much the same choice as previously existed between the current Avant and the BV11?

the designs havent really changed, and the panels are much the same big picture....ok, there is 4K now on both designs, now that the 14 has 4K, but there is no OLED or HDR......

For the new one all ports are hdcp 2.2 I think this is important
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olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 11:51 AM

with so short distance between the 3.0 speakers, you won't really notice the difference at reasonable distance

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olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 11:53 AM

it is a mess now to post with an ipad on this forum. duplicate post, unable to edit any post...

please administrators take this into account.

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Sandyb replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 12:05 PM

Fair point of course, my bad......guess i was talking in very broad terms,,,,,i suspect when B&O launch their LG panels there will be much more excitement, especially as all the current software glitches should be sorted by then, and the screens will genuinely offer something new, different and better than the existing offerings......

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olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 12:14 PM

a 7 55 mk2  is more actual than a tv which the only superiority is to able to display 10 percent of the pictures we used to watch actually.

I saw recently one bv avant 55 and 75 and it displayed tv source, it looks like a poor dvd. 

again it is a thread about the avant ng but we can give our opinion when somebody talks about its center speaker.

the avant is not better than a bv 11 because he get 4k capabilities.

the bv 11 sounds is just amazing without any modification.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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olvisab:

with so short distance between the 3.0 speakers, you won't really notice the difference at reasonable distance

I am sure, that Geoff Martin would not agree on that!

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Sandyb:

,,,,,i suspect when B&O launch their LG panels there will be much more excitement, especially as all the current software glitches should be sorted by then,...

The Avant NG is based on AndroidTV.

LG does not use this platform - but webOS.

Would you think, that the LG-BV's will use the (then improved) Android user interface?

I fear not!

And when I think of the way they/LG control their tv's - just imagine a Beo Magic Remote ----- oh boy!

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olvisab replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 12:56 PM

the bionic guy who works for b&o ? this is his job and his ears are not common. I will add that he used to attach attention to things we didn't notice at all. For this he is also helped with measurement materials.

 

 

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olvisab:

the bionic guy who works for b&o ? this is his job and his ears are not common. I will add that he used to attach attention to things we didn't notice at all. For this he is also helped with measurement materials.

If you say so ;-(

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Michael replied on Thu, Dec 15 2016 1:14 PM
olvisab:

a 7 55 mk2 is more actual than a tv which the only superiority is to able to display 10 percent of the pictures we used to watch actually.

I saw recently one bv avant 55 and 75 and it displayed tv source, it looks like a poor dvd.

again it is a thread about the avant ng but we can give our opinion when somebody talks about its center speaker.

the avant is not better than a bv 11 because he get 4k capabilities.

the bv 11 sounds is just amazing without any modification.

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Omg "poor dvd". And the three speaker setup in center is for reducing reflections of the middle channel as when using two speakers instead. But it can also act as a stereo/semi surround on its own and does it great. My friends always comment on how good the picture is on my Avant as well. No poor DVD there. And bv7 is thicker and not even in production.

Also B&O is not going to use LG panels only. They will leave the manufacture of the entire tv to them. As Apple also recently decided to do instead of doing Apple monitors for now.

Regarding the Avant vs 14 main difference is style and speaker setup and also stand options. The Avant swivels out on the floor. The 14 does not.

Everyone has their opinions but it's clear here that most people are biased depending on what they have. I think most of B&O is very good and the different models attract different people or suits different environment great in different ways, therefore one can not really beat another product. As they are not always perfect for the same situation or person or style.

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SHEFFIELD replied on Fri, Dec 16 2016 1:48 PM

We installed a NG brass edition earlier this week - very nice with matching Lab 18s and 19...

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beotex replied on Fri, Dec 16 2016 3:37 PM
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We installed a NG brass edition earlier this week - very nice with matching Lab 18s and 19...

We love to see a picture of that.
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