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So I am in the market for an upgrade from the BV9. The only TV from B&O I was considering was the Horizon as I am not prepared to pay full asking price for the Avant NG or BV14 when they don't have OLED, HDR or even full direct backlit capabilities similar to the older BV7-55. My question is this, a 48" Horizon is priced at £3,695.
Is it honestly worth this price tag when I could buy an LG OLED55B6V OLED for £1,899 with, for example, a 5.1 BL14 system if I can still find one. I do have a pair of BL9s if they could work with LG too. The other option is a second hand BV11-46.
I am so impressed with these new OLEDs every time I see them in shops. They are such a significant leap forward in technology from the BeoVisions with immaculate picture capabilities and I just can't fathom the fact that buying a B&O tv for twice the price or more, gives older technology and poorer picture capabilities. A modern day BeoVision does not feel like value for money anymore and it used to.
I do like the Horizon a lot. The design is nice and the picture is good. I think the price of the 48" should have been that of the 40". It just doesn't work (for me) at £3,695. The sound is a step down for B&O in this model too making it even less appealing.
Perhaps its time for a less than £2k purchase as an interim tv that will blow my socks off for the next few years while I wait for B&O to catch up and deliver something spectacular that is then worth paying for?
Would be interested to know others thoughts.
Simon.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
There is a OLED B&O scheduled for 2017, I believe....
BAND'OH!: Perhaps its time for a less than £2k purchase as an interim tv that will blow my socks off for the next few years while I wait for B&O to catch up and deliver something spectacular that is then worth paying for?
Depends on *how* good you need the picture. I think we're going way overboard on this these days thinking we're "missing out". I watch sport, movies and regular TV on my old BV12-65 and am more than satisfied with the picture. In fact, astonished sometimes. And it's quite a few years old now. Combine this with superb audio and you have a great all-round experience.
If I was in the market for a TV right now, I'l pick up a BV14-55. I've had two BV11's and have always been impressed with both - the BV11-40 is on the wall in the kitchen. They look good, sound good and have a great picture.
Sure, OLED is better, but as my dear old father used to say "it's still the same programme" :)
Maybe try and do a deal with your dealer where they sell you a BV14 now on the basis you can trade it up against a OLED B&O in a year's time (I can't see them being out until late 2017)?
i had to do the same choice recently.
i preferred buying a 7 55 mk2 (main tv) and a 11 46 (room) than any 65 oled tv.
the offer of 4k programms is too weak and even if in 5 years it is widespread, there always will be a use for such a high quality hd tv for a room for example.
I paid them a very good price and compared to what I will loose with an oled tv, I can enjoy 2 tvs during this time.
the oled tv are absolutely not matured (colors too flashy, input lags...). In 5 years the progress will be enormous compared to what you get at this price actually
the gap between 4k tv and high quality full hd tv is minor if you don't need a screen more than 55.
and as moxxey said the programs are still the same most of the time. 4k tomoroow ok but if you want to watch old content it won't be in 4k.
4 beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 6002, beolab 3500, beovision 7 55 mk2, 2 beovision 11 46 mk4, beotime, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beoplay A8, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Chris Townsend:The Horizon has only 2 speakers from the V1 system, the 11 has six and it makes a noticeable difference.
Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
Indeed,
As much as I love b&o design and technical achievements, their televisions are terribly overpriced for old tech imho. OLED is so very far superior to any LCD based panel there's no comparison. Personally I went from an old heavy plasma to an LG OLED, oh dear night and day difference.
b&o might come out with an OLED based display but that's could, would, should... today I'd take a LG OLED or the offerings from LOEWE are drool worthy. Honestly for televisions Loewe are really something and a nod to what b&o should be offering, if they weren't so rare outside the EU I'd get one myself.
Your BL9 are analogue so you'd either have to get a DAC (toslink from TV convert to analogue) or a small b&o system like a Beosound4 to control it.
moxxey: Depends on *how* good you need the picture. I think we're going way overboard on this these days thinking we're "missing out". I watch sport, movies and regular TV on my old BV12-65 and am more than satisfied with the picture. In fact, astonished sometimes. And it's quite a few years old now. Combine this with superb audio and you have a great all-round experience.
Well, I think it's important to identify what parts of a TV's specs are "important." To me, unless you're sitting very close to a gigantic, 65inch Plus set, 4K is pretty meaningless. The Imaging Science Foundation put resolution way down the list after such things as black level, contrast, color accuracy/color temperature, and gray scale linearity as far as importance to a satisfying picture goes. As for your BV12-65 Moxxey, remember that it is based on the same Panasonic VT panel my Panasonic uses, and to my eyes I have not yet seen an LCD based set, no matter what backlight tech is used, that can equal it. OLED is the only thing I've seen that might be better, and until I see one properly adjusted I'm not completely sure about that. In my opinion, your set is the pinnacle of B&O TVs to date.
I too find the plasma Panasonic I have to be just absolutely stunning and immersive to watch.
I have long been of the opinion that Beovisions are overpriced, and if you can live without your TV acting as the central hub there are more rational choices. Personally I'd be tempted to go with a lesser priced but excellent set from another brand and work around the audio setup with a BL14 or such, but that's my opinion. Others needs and desires will vary. Certainly I would be tempted to use a less expensive set until and whenever an OLED BV comes out and reevaluate.
To give you the reason I have the Panasonic, I paid 3000 US dollars for it, plus to add the outboard Marantz receiver and Infinity sound bar I use, maybe another 600 dollars with careful shopping. The BV12-65 over here was about US$ 20,000 and while it is indeed a stunning set, I couldn't rationalize the price. Instead I wound up buying the Panasonic setup, and a pair of demo BL9s for my audio setup.
I don't watch a ton of TV, I'm not glued to it as some are, but when I want to watch a movie or such, I want maximum visual performance and to my eyes my Panasonic plasma provides that in spades.
Just a note, one of my favorite test discs for testing TVs out is "Blade Runner." The black level detail and darkness of that film will really stress a lot of LCD sets.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
I use also the bluray of blade runner. It is an old movie, the bluray is not perfect but we rapidly see if the panel increases its default or magnify its quality.
I have been really astonished to see the results on the bv 7 55 mk2. blacks are sublim. the bv 11 is not so bad if correctly set but really many steps behind.
I am ready to bet that on any oled tv for such old movie despite the quality of the bluray, the picture will be far behind. I have already see the poor results for some old movie on bluray and they looked like poor dvd. These tv are definetely not for old content.
If the movie production started now, I will jump on one. But unfortunately the actual movie production is a piece of ... compared to all the past production. Up to 1080p and 55, It's quite good, above it begans to be a real issue.
Some great posts in this thread. Although I absolutely love my BV11, if I had to do it over again, hopefully not for a long time, I wouldn't purchase a B&O television. I'd instead consider a Beosystem to "manage" the TV and speakers -- that is, if B&O are still making beosystems in the future. My wife, to this day says that the best picture she has ever seen on a TV was when she watched Memento my old (David Lewis) Avant. Incidentally they're going for less than $200 on eBay and Craigslist in the US these days. Not bad for something that was $8500 new.
In any case, Jeff and others are right, B&O television are overpriced for what they are, but generally speaking they do what they do very well, and are an all in one that some people are looking for. If the price is right.
IMHO, televisions aren't something that one should be considering as "future-proof" as the tech is evolving very quickly, so there's another reason not to spend all that cash on a BeoVision, when one doesn't know what's coming around the corner.
My wife and I aren't glued to the TV, but when we to watch we enjoy the experience that the BV11/BL9 combination give us. Reflecting on it, now, though, when I was contemplating the purchase, some on these forums suggested I go for a Beosystem 4 instead, and keep my Panasonic Plasma Panel. Maybe they were right. But I got a great deal on my BV11, so there's that.
BAND'OH, let us know what your thoughts are after reading some of these replies.
olvisab: the bv 11 is not so bad if correctly set but really many steps behind.
Is there someplace which gives the user a step by step guide to set a BV11 up optimally?
unfortunately no. I spend some hours on it and done it at least 5 times at different moement of the day.
I will share these settings soon with a friend in order to see if he perceives the change.
If you want I can send you pictures of my personal settings if you pm me your personal mail.
olvisab:unfortunately no. I spend some hours on it and done it at least 5 times at different moement of the day. I will share these settings soon with a friend in order to see if he perceives the change. If you want I can send you pictures of my personal settings if you pm me your personal mail. beolab 5, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 4500, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 2, beolab 1, beolab 3500, IWS 2000, beovision 7 55 mk2, beovision 11 46, beotime, beogram 7000 white mmc2, beosound century, beosound ouverture, beosound essence and the collection continues...
Making a list of each setting and level is too long, I prefer sending a picture but with my ipad I can not post any pictures or edit a post. If someone publish mine, no pb. You are right the previous thread is helpfull and gave me courage for deeply modifying the settings.
rob08: I guess most started with the most excellent thread made by a user on this forum (which I unfortunately have forgotten the name of)
You probably mean this one:
http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/3372.aspx?PageIndex=1
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Michael:V1 40" Actually has three! :)
Chris Townsend:It's the sound system of the V1-32 Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Avant RF 28, Beolab 9, Beolit 15, Beoplay A1/A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H3 ANC/H8/H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1
I don't personally feel that B&O TV's are overpriced for what you get - if you see the TV as also being a hub in an AV role.
Perhaps if you just want a set to watch the news, sports, the odd broadcast movie etc.
But if you love movies as well as music, then the TV's are fantastic - as you get not only an excellent picture, you get a state of the art surround sound decoder, and a fully active speaker array that does double duty as the centre channel in a surround sound movie setup.
No more need for tiny underperforming lifestyle centre channel speakers and the need for separate amps or surround processors, and the furniture/Hifi rack to support them.
And no more need for a gigantic high performance passive centre channel speaker, usually needing it's own stand, and another one for the TV to raise it high enough that you can see the picture past the hulking great 'audiophile' centre channel speaker stuck otherwise in the middle of the screen...
For an arguably state of the art AV experience, all one needs is a B&O TV, and complimentary active speakers, depending upon whether you want to go 5.1 or 7.1. Doubtless Dolby Atmos will be catered for in time as well.
My only disappointment on specs for the Horizon, is that it lacks a seperate bass speaker - compared to my V1-40 I'd be surprised if the sound was quite as good in stand alone mode.
However, for AV use, the V1-40 centre channel is crossed over at 120hz into my Beolab 9's, so in that mode, with the low bass filtered out, the Horizon should do very well.
For the music and film connoisseur the B&O TV still has a great deal to offer if you consider it as an monitor, TV tuner, Active centre channel speaker, and surround sound processor rolled into one - which is what it is.
I love my V1-40 and will almost certainly never part with it.
In time, I'd like a bigger TV for the living room, with more advanced tech such as OLED etc, - when it's mature and sorted.
Meantime, I'm more than happy with what I have with the V1-40 and have no feelings of disappointment with it at all when I see what is on offer with mainstream brands, regardless of the tech being used.
Cheers and Merry Xmas to All
John... :-)
I can really understand your dilemma BAND'OH. I was also considering 48" Horizon and i liked very much the wheel stand as the intention was I should be able to "park" the TV next to a wall when not watching - and then roll it in front of the sofa in the evening.
Sadly, I couldn't justify the price. Also decided not to cash out 3.500 EUR for an OLED as I feel there is much more to still develop there. In the end I bought a 1.000 EUR 4K HDR LG with relatively decent sound and solid (metal) frame and stand. Now sitting on small IKEA rolling table so it moves around the same way Horizon would. Nowhere near so pretty, but at less than one fifth of a price.
And, with Netflix, Amazon Video and HBO Go apps on WebOS 3.0 so I don't need an external box as I would with Horizon. Picture is really very good, no complaints here, and at the price I paid I won't have any regrets repurposing this TV in 2-3 years when B&O comes with something truly spectacular.
My plan remains to buy a Beovision for many different reasons, beutiful design being one of it, but at this point I am happy with this "transitional" decision I've made.
I think it depends upon what you want to do with a TV.
If it is just to watch some sport, news, the odd broadcast movie etc and have the latest tech, then a non B&O TV will do just fine.
If however, you want a TV as part of an integrated, elegant, understated and high performance surround sound AV role, then they're hard to better in my experience.
Consider it as a monitor, TV Tuner, State of the art Surround sound processor, and fully active speaker array rolled into one (which is what a B&O TV is) and they start to make an argument in favour of remarkable value for money compared to the cost of separate components to do the same job, and the aesthetic clutter that goes with that separates solution to AV requirements.
Having had separates, and come to B&O, there is no way I would want anything else cluttering up my room to be honest.
And being fully active, the audio performance alone is orders of magnitude better than the separates passive speaker solution anyway, and more than satisfies the Audio perfectionist geek within me still at times. lol
I have a V1-40 coupled to Beolab 9's, and apart from wanting a larger screen for those cinematic masterpieces, such as 2001 Space Odyssey, which really need a very large and immersive picture to do justice to the movie, I have few if any complaints.
Certainly I wouldn't be swapping the video and audio performance out for something else that is less interesting and timeless from a design POV, and needs multiple boxes and racks to bring equivalent AV function, just because it has an OLED screen.
But that's just me... and everyone is different.. :-)
Cheers and Merry Xmas
John.. :-)
You've nailed it - thanks, John ;-)
Agreed John, you really said everything. :)
And that exactly was my issue with Horizon:
- not really an array of speakers (also reflected in reviews where sound was judged as adequate but not great), and
- not avoiding clutter as external boxes/additional wires are required to watch Netflix, Amazon Video etc.
So I do hope for a better UI which will incorporate top apps, and I can imagine I am not alone in that.
Chris Townsend:The V1-40 benefitted from an extra subwoofer over the 32, and yes that was 2" as opposed to 2.5". Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Avant RF 28, Beolab 9, Beolit 15, Beoplay A1/A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H3 ANC/H8/H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1
Sal:BAND'OH, let us know what your thoughts are after reading some of these replies.
Well firstly, fantastic that there has been so much discussion, which I hope continues.
At this stage of the thread and having read all contributions, I am currently thinking about buying a second hand BV11-46 to tie me over for the next few years. I am moving home and space is going to be an issue with the new living room being smaller than my existing one. My current BV9 is too big and would look out of place. I might make my new home more open plan over the years but for the moment I need to make use of the existing space.
This is such a difficult decision though because if space weren't an issue, I might be even bolder and buy a second hand BV7-55. For me, this offers the best all round solution as the Mark 2 has full array backlight dimming, an inbuilt Blu-Ray player, 3D viewing and BL6 centre speaker. This provides the best all in one media solution offering amazing picture and sound capabilities. I can't understand why B&O do not currently offer any inbuilt Blu-Ray (or 4K) players with their current BeoVisions. I would imagine there would be a huge market for this type of solution after all, who wants separate units and cables running all over the place these days? I understand that the industry is more streaming focussed but to see Full HD and 4K in it all it's glory and as originally intended, nothing equals a direct source.
How do I arrive at a BV11-46 then? Well apart from the smaller size already discussed, prices seem to be between £3,000-£4,000 depending on age, version, usage and condition. This means the only comparison I can make using the same price bracket is with the Horizon. Posts from existing BV11 owners seem to highlight far superior sound quality with little to no noticeable difference in picture quality (HD vs 4K) at this particular screen size. I also note the very valid comments about the lack of 4K content now and in the immediate future. I remember we used to say the same about HD and I still don't think there's enough HD content! Certainly not native, only upscaled. Furthermore, the BV11 was the pinnacle BeoVision from B&O at the time of release, whereas the Horizon (whilst newer, 4K capable and aesthetically different) is still seen as an entry level BeoVision, at least by some on this forum and including myself.
In arriving at my decision I feel that the Avant, BV14 and Horizon are all overpriced for what they offer in my opinion. The BV14 is not that different to the BV11 so doesn't warrant enough of a change. Neither is it worth considering older models such as the BV10, a later BV9 (mine is Mk 1) or the earlier BV7s against a BV11, even at a cheaper price point. I am happier to pay more for something newer, 2012 or later ideally; as recent as possible for the right price.
I am happy to pay full premium for a brand new BeoVision every once in a while but only when there is a significant leap forward in terms of design, appearance, technological advancement (picture/sound) and a complete media portal. The original Avant (RF) and BV7 models are 2 good examples of this and both I paid full price for at the time. I would like to get at least 5 years viewing pleasure from my BeoVisions but in all honestly would probably fancy a change every 3-5 years if such differences between BeoVisions were available.
As a final thought, I guess pricing does have a lot to do with it because if the Horizon 48" was £2,500 for example, then I would be buying that without any discussion. But at an extra c£1,000 no, because at this point I would be looking for price justification and not find it. Given a lower more tempting price point I could let my heart rule a little more over my head, but only to a point.
Cheers and please keep posting. I find it interesting to know other's reasoning and thought process behind making that final purchase decision, be it a BeoVision or any other product.
BAND'OH!: Sal:BAND'OH, let us know what your thoughts are after reading some of these replies. Well firstly, fantastic that there has been so much discussion, which I hope continues. At this stage of the thread and having read all contributions, I am currently thinking about buying a second hand BV11-46 to tie me over for the next few years. I am moving home and space is going to be an issue with the new living room being smaller than my existing one. My current BV9 is too big and would look out of place. I might make my new home more open plan over the years but for the moment I need to make use of the existing space. This is such a difficult decision though because if space weren't an issue, I might be even bolder and buy a second hand BV7-55. For me, this offers the best all round solution as the Mark 2 has full array backlight dimming, an inbuilt Blu-Ray player, 3D viewing and BL6 centre speaker. This provides the best all in one media solution offering amazing picture and sound capabilities. I can't understand why B&O do not currently offer any inbuilt Blu-Ray (or 4K) players with their current BeoVisions. I would imagine there would be a huge market for this type of solution after all, who wants separate units and cables running all over the place these days? I understand that the industry is more streaming focussed but to see Full HD and 4K in it all it's glory and as originally intended, nothing equals a direct source. How do I arrive at a BV11-46 then? Well apart from the smaller size already discussed, prices seem to be between £3,000-£4,000 depending on age, version, usage and condition. This means the only comparison I can make using the same price bracket is with the Horizon. Posts from existing BV11 owners seem to highlight far superior sound quality with little to no noticeable difference in picture quality (HD vs 4K) at this particular screen size. I also note the very valid comments about the lack of 4K content now and in the immediate future. I remember we used to say the same about HD and I still don't think there's enough HD content! Certainly not native, only upscaled. Furthermore, the BV11 was the pinnacle BeoVision from B&O at the time of release, whereas the Horizon (whilst newer, 4K capable and aesthetically different) is still seen as an entry level BeoVision, at least by some on this forum and including myself. In arriving at my decision I feel that the Avant, BV14 and Horizon are all overpriced for what they offer in my opinion. The BV14 is not that different to the BV11 so doesn't warrant enough of a change. Neither is it worth considering older models such as the BV10, a later BV9 (mine is Mk 1) or the earlier BV7s against a BV11, even at a cheaper price point. I am happier to pay more for something newer, 2012 or later ideally; as recent as possible for the right price. I am happy to pay full premium for a brand new BeoVision every once in a while but only when there is a significant leap forward in terms of design, appearance, technological advancement (picture/sound) and a complete media portal. The original Avant (RF) and BV7 models are 2 good examples of this and both I paid full price for at the time. I would like to get at least 5 years viewing pleasure from my BeoVisions but in all honestly would probably fancy a change every 3-5 years if such differences between BeoVisions were available. As a final thought, I guess pricing does have a lot to do with it because if the Horizon 48" was £2,500 for example, then I would be buying that without any discussion. But at an extra c£1,000 no, because at this point I would be looking for price justification and not find it. Given a lower more tempting price point I could let my heart rule a little more over my head, but only to a point. Cheers and please keep posting. I find it interesting to know other's reasoning and thought process behind making that final purchase decision, be it a BeoVision or any other product. Simon.
I do understand your dilemma and appreciate and agree mostly with your value reasoning.
However, when I did my homework for my V1-40, the cost of a seperate stand alone surround sound processor (most are integrated into an AV receiver/amplifier) plus a passive centre channel speaker, plus an amplifier to drive it, quickly exceeded the cost of the V1-40.
My only real post purchase thoughts three odd years on, is that it would've been nice to have had a bigger screen option.
In that regards, my only real criticism of the new Horizon, is that again, 48" is a bit on the small side for a main room, AV 'monitor' for dedicated movie use.
As to the sound side of it, it is also disappointing that the speakers in the Horizon are almost certainly going to be fine for film dialogue, but not so much for music, being that there are only two 2.5" speakers in it, in stereo array. I'd be very surprised if the sound was as good as the V1-40 for stand alone music use, with the V1-40 having an additional 4" bass unit.
However for movie use, my V1-40 crosses over to the Lab 9s at 120hz (factory defaults) so here the additional 4" bass speaker probably doesn't do much at a guess, so (at a guess) movie centre channel performance twixt V1-40 and the new Horizon should be similar - at least I would hope so!
If it had a bigger screen I might be tempted, but an extra 8" on the diagonal over the V1-40 is not really enough to sway me.
Despite some large screen TV's tendency to dominate a room aesthetically somewhat, there is no denying the extra sense of naturalness and immersion in the viewing experience that comes with the larger screen size when watching dedicated HD movie content.
And yes, one can sit closer to the screen (up to a point) for a similar viewing effect - that for a 40" screen with HD (1920 x 1080) source material is a mere 1.6 metres - hardly practical in real life, which is where a bigger screen comes into it's own.
All the best
Thanks for your thoughts John. I wonder, given what you have said, would you still choose the Horizon over the BV11-46 then? I guess I would be spending the same amount for either. The Horizon offers 4K plus an extra 2" screen size and a newer panel, which is backlit albeit global dimming that is not anywhere as good as full dimming 512+ zones that the former BV7-55 Mark 2 utilised.
Having thought it through a bit more, I will probably buy 2 x BL3s on floor stands and a BL2 sub to go with the BL9s as fronts, so that would be my surround setup. So BV11-46 or Horizon as the tv?
Cheers,Simon.
BeoNut since '75
BAND'OH!: Thanks for your thoughts John. I wonder, given what you have said, would you still choose the Horizon over the BV11-46 then? I guess I would be spending the same amount for either. The Horizon offers 4K plus an extra 2" screen size and a newer panel, which is backlit albeit global dimming that is not anywhere as good as full dimming 512+ zones that the former BV7-55 Mark 2 utilised. Having thought it through a bit more, I will probably buy 2 x BL3s on floor stands and a BL2 sub to go with the BL9s as fronts, so that would be my surround setup. So BV11-46 or Horizon as the tv? Cheers,Simon.
Hi Simon
Firstly an apology to you and other contributors; I made a first post on the topic that simply disappeared into cyber space when I hit 'post', so not having saved it, I made another shorter one which did post successfully - I now see the first post has come through as well - apologies to all for two posts saying the same thing effectively.
To address your query; in a surround sound setup as your are proposing, and as a TV to use in the interim whilst B&O move towards OLED etc, I would go with the latest tech and the biggest screen size - ergo the Horizon.
May I suggest you have a look at the latest technical sound guide out for the TV, and check out the fine details for bass redirection in the speaker setup table; I'm pretty sure that at Factory defaults the bass will be redirected to the speaker set considered to be the most capable in terms of handling low bass for LFE etc. In the case of my V1-40. the only speaker where bass will not be redirected to the Lab 9's for surround sound purposes, are Lab 5's.
That is to say, a single Beolab 2 is not considered as capable as TWO Beolab 9s when it comes to handling low bass/LFE effects for the system.
There was a discussion some years ago with Dr. Geoff Martin, which resulted from a post I made asking about how Adaptive Bass Linearisation worked; apparently one Beolab 2 is roughly equal to one Beolab 9 - the Lab 2 will play slightly lower and louder, but with the Lab 9, you have two of them in play.
So unless you deliberately 'tell' the system to re-route all low bass to the Lab 2, low bass will be re-directed to the Lab 9's in conjunction with Lab 3's at the rear, making the Lab 2 potentially redundant. Of course, one may prefer to use a single sub, for reasons of placement etc, or to tie in with the Lab 3's to make them a full bandwidth system.
But certainly on movie LFE material I find the bass output of the Lab 9's prodigious to say the least - many times I jumped up in alarm on first listen to some movies thinking something in the speaker had broken! - only to find various objects in the room buzzing and vibrating in sympathy with the bass - including doors in frames! Awesome! And no, I don't 'thrash' the system - usually on movies I'm listening circa 60 on the volume, max being 90, in a room 5 x 4 metres.
And lastly, once you have a new Beovision TV with OLED etc in a year or so, the Horizon is still a very up to date set re technology, that as a design is very versatile for further use in other areas in the home.
Anyway, just my thoughts... hope it helps..
Kind regards
Thanks John, yes your post does help a lot and I am in agreement that the Horizon 48" is the better tv so I'll let the dealer I am buying from know during the week. I must admit I do like the look for the Horizon, especially how it sits on top of a table/base unit as pictured.
It would be interesting to know if the Horizon produces a better picture than a BV11, say a 2014/2015 model for example. Wonder if anyone has made any side by side comparisons playing SD/HD content and could comment?
Regarding the sound, it's interesting to note your thoughts about the BL9s as I too assumed I would not need an extra sub with them; it was a dealer who mentioned that, so I'll check with them again why they were suggesting this. The other option is to trade in the BL9s and use a completely different setup with the new Horizon, for example a BL14 5.1 system. Of course while great for movie, I would probably be getting less quality when playing music only, so perhaps not a good trade in after all?
Thanks Chris. The panel is newer in the Horizon but that doesn't necessarily mean it is any better. I am hoping it might be but be good to hear other's opinions. I guess dealers might like to chime in on this one perhaps?
Currently it is the processing that has a negative impact on picture quality. Lots of side effects in the picture. Judder-control must be switched off for instance. Perhaps this improves in the future.
Are you referring to any specific model Bart?
Horizon 40 inch.
Hi Simon,
I tried to send you an email, if you didn't get it then email me and I will try again, here is my email;
tonyjohnson.luthier@gmail.com
Tony
Hi Tony,
Yes I did receive your email thanks. It was nice of you to write and to send over your thoughts having seen both TVs side by side. I am not in the North and I am going to be buying the Horizon but thanks for the offer either way.
I'm glad you have made your decision, and I am sure you will enjoy the Horizon.