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Beovision 14 issues

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9 LEE replied on Thu, Jul 20 2017 12:34 AM

w5bno123:

How do you know this? This has to be the best BeoVision that I have ever heard. The sound stage smashes any of the current range of B&O TVs out of the water.

... which is what he said.  An LG panel, LG software, and B&O speakers underneath.

I've heard nothing but rave reviews about the sound from the Eclipse, so this is without question it seems - but the panel and software appear to be pure LG, with no B&O 'tweaking' at all...

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9 LEE:

... which is what he said. An LG panel, LG software, and B&O speakers underneath.

I've heard nothing but rave reviews about the sound from the Eclipse, so this is without question it seems - but the panel and software appear to be pure LG, with no B&O 'tweaking' at all...

The analogue domain in the age of the original Avant lent itself to tweaking.

Mass produced panels by quality manufacturers do not. The sophisticated preference menus now take care of everything nicely.

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mr_anders_son:
All I can say it is a LG set with B&O shelf...notining more or less...sadly...

So who is going to buy it then? I won't buy something like this unless the price is directly equivalent for the LG/competitor equivalent, which it won't be. If I am to pay extra, what exactly 'is' the extra I am paying for? Linking to other products? No - I've now sold every B&O product I own apart from a few Play products here and there; better picture quality? No - unlikely from what I am reading on this forum; better sound quality? Yes - probably, but I am now living in another home, which is too small for sound reproduction to be relevant; a new chassis or shape? No - well perhaps if a couple of hundred more but that's all I'd pay, tops. It seems I am no longer the typical B&O customer. However, I can't help but wonder who is? What's left... a different remote, products plagued with software issues and reports of appalling customer services from a company that doesn't care or respond to its loyal customers? That doesn't interest me.

Maybe it's not B&Os fault. Perhaps this is simply the modern era and a technological sign of the times. I don't desire or require B&O as I once did - not deliberately, but just nothing that makes them different or stand out from the crowd anymore. The competition is just as good and in many ways better. My new TV will be the Sony A1. Just renovating the new property first. B&O was always attractive to me because of the whole package you bought into - it was so much more than just buying a product. I liked and valued the relationship I had with my local dealer and the overall customer service I received from B&O; I felt special. B&O has sadly changed its ways. I can't and won't ever buy into a company that doesn't value its customers. I am sad for B&O. It doesn't affect me as I will simply buy different products, there's plenty of them. I do pity B&O though for losing what they once were. I can only put it down to greed, which like so many others in this day and age, they bring on themselves. When will businesses realise that you never buy a product, you always buy the person/company/service? I always thought B&O understood this. Simon.

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BeoGreg replied on Thu, Jul 20 2017 7:08 AM
Just read a review about the 2016 Loewe bild 7. Some posters are complaining because it's outrageously 500 € more expensive than the LG equivalent (+ 900 € for a motorised stand).

It seems that the Eclipse will be (I hope not and it musn't to be sold) around 5.000 € more expensive than the Loewe/LG.

500 € (more) for the Loewe with good design, built quality, sound, integrated hdd, good remote, made in Germany vs 5.000 € ?

Price aside, if the LG platform is good (should better than Android !) what's the problem ?

The Oled picture is superb and now we know the sound will be the best ever.

Will have Puc for sure, multiroom certainly, contrast screen, room compensation, motorised stand and a Beoremote.

It's good for me.

Let's wait and see and hear.
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Rumoured - from a rather reliable source - price in Denmark for the BV Eciplse 55" is DKK. 63.000.

Which is even cheaper than the Loewe Bild 9 55" (at DKK 64.999).

Think of the Eclipse as a big NL-AudioSystem with an (LG)OLED screen ;-)))

Lots of placement option, also.

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But will it have the electronic curtains

 

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Good question!

I sure hope it will - but why not?

MM

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benoit replied on Thu, Jul 20 2017 10:33 AM

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But will it have the electronic curtains

 

Why not? Loewe has it for switching off.

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Millemissen:

Think of the Eclipse as a big NL-AudioSystem with an (LG)OLED screen ;-)))

So same as a beovision avant then

With the avant you didn't need a audio system anymore
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No, not quite!

With the new 'tv', you will have AirPlay (audio - probably AirPlay 2?), ChromeCast Audio, Bluetooth audio, Spotify Connect.......which was not possible per default via the Avant.

Basicly what you have in any new NL Sound System from B&O - plus hopefully some more connection possibilities.

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mbee replied on Sun, Jul 23 2017 1:04 PM

Millemissen:
Rumoured - from a rather reliable source - price in Denmark for the BV Eciplse 55" is DKK. 63.000.

I think there is a mistake : the LG "wallpaper" OLED is only available from 65"... At approx. 8k€. If your price is for a 65" Eclipse, it would mean that the Eclipse is only €500 more than the LG version... Which would be a very agressive pricing in B&O terms, considering you get a full NL audio system!

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Jul 23 2017 1:16 PM
Doubtful about pricing....the 55 inch BV14 is around 6500 pounds, the 55 Avant is around 8000, so the 55 Eclipse is likely to be in the same postcode......so I suspect you are about right....
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benoit replied on Sun, Jul 23 2017 1:37 PM

mbee:

Millemissen:
Rumoured - from a rather reliable source - price in Denmark for the BV Eciplse 55" is DKK. 63.000.

I think there is a mistake : the LG "wallpaper" OLED is only available from 65"... At approx. 8k€. If your price is for a 65" Eclipse, it would mean that the Eclipse is only €500 more than the LG version... Which would be a very agressive pricing in B&O terms, considering you get a full NL audio system!

Could it be the price for the screen only... You then have to buy the audio system for an extra 5-6000€

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Jul 23 2017 1:44 PM

Not sure that makes sense, for them to sell screens separately, as they will be integrated into / require the soundbar / speaker to work even at a basic level.....after all they are not making a panel with a speaker, and then also a soundbar, as two separate product releases........and as with the Avant and BV14, Horizon, the sound processing (BS4 engine) is integrated into the TV offering.....

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mbee:

I think there is a mistake : the LG "wallpaper" OLED is only available from 65"... At approx. 8k€. If your price is for a 65" Eclipse, it would mean that the Eclipse is only €500 more than the LG version... Which would be a very agressive pricing in B&O terms, considering you get a full NL audio system!

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Maybe it’s about time B&O started being a bit more aggressive with it’s pricing. There’s no reason why you can’t have both great build quality and more realistic pricing, a strategy that appears to be working for Loewe at the moment.
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BeoGreg replied on Sun, Jul 23 2017 4:07 PM
Sandyb:

Doubtful about pricing....the 55 inch BV14 is around 6500 pounds, the 55 Avant is around 8000, so the 55 Eclipse is likely to be in the same postcode......so I suspect you are about right....

The official BV14-55 price is 9.175 € with motorised stand (standard speaker fret). 8.300 € tv alone standard speaker fret, 875 € motorised floor stand, 780 € oak).
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Sandyb replied on Sun, Jul 23 2017 4:30 PM

yes, 8300 euros is pretty close to the 6500 i quoted....ok maybe i understated a bit, but only a bit.....regardless, when was the last time B&O priced a Tv set cheaply? My point remains, the 55 inch Eclipse ( if there is one) will surely be in line with their other TVs...the Avant will be discontinued, and replaced by the Eclipse, which suggests even further it will not be priced more attractively than either the BV14 or the existing Avant.......

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mbee:

Millemissen:
Rumoured - from a rather reliable source - price in Denmark for the BV Eciplse 55" is DKK. 63.000.

I think there is a mistake : the LG "wallpaper" OLED is only available from 65"... At approx. 8k€. If your price is for a 65" Eclipse, it would mean that the Eclipse is only €500 more than the LG version... 

??? The Eclipse is not a 'wallpaper' OLED - would be strange to have a wallpaper tv on a stand.

Loewe offer their Bild 7 OLED tv's in 55" and 65" - why shouldn't B&O?

 

Note: the pice mentioned is for the 55" version.

 

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Rob replied on Wed, Aug 9 2017 9:14 PM
Re. The Avant NG - after all the posts on here, with all fairness, I Just want to say, I can't complain. Had the set for a few weeks now and I don't regret the purchase. I don't have a problem with the remote either.

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Same here.. after numerous software updates my BV14-40 is pretty good!

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9 LEE replied on Wed, Aug 9 2017 9:30 PM

Sandyb:

.....which suggests even further it will not be priced more attractively than either the BV14 or the existing Avant.......

.... which will then hammer the values of the BV14 and exiting Avant to the point that when the dealer makes a part exchange offer the customer will tell him/her to go take a hike.  "Cost to change" isn't something most people can work on - they just see "I paid x-amount for that TV 2 years ago, and now it's only worth y-amount - and that's a huge loss.."

On that front, I sympathise with B&O - but more so the dealers who just can't win no matter what happens when prices drop.

I hope B&O dealers across the world sell 25 Eclipse's a week. That would make me so happy.  I'm also crossing my fingers, toes, arms, legs and nasal hair that it hits the ground running with zero software issues.

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Aug 9 2017 9:44 PM
Agreed, I was just responding to an earlier suggestion that the new TV would be more modestly priced...you may know more than me, but I thoroughly doubt the new sets will be "cheap".....they don't want a stream of 14s and Avant coming back for a part exchange if the prices are similar, as then the second hand values of those would suffer...so if that's what you're driving at, I agree....

In the end it probably doesn't make much difference..if the 14 55 is 7k, an Eclipse 55 will probably be between 8.5 and 9k...the incentive to upgrade will likely be driven by how compelling the new TV us, just as much as the price difference
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9 LEE replied on Wed, Aug 9 2017 10:09 PM

I have to say the BV14 image quality is incredible when watching 4k.  I don't know any other company who can tune an LCD panel like B&O.  Even the 2008/9 BV7-40 Mk3 picture still looks perfectly acceptable in 2017 against current offerings by the mass market producers!!

As for knowing more than you - actually I don't, for once!  I could, of course, tap-up my sources for plenty of details - but nobody has thrown at me images and specs. I do know the basics, but not the fine details of the new Eclipse.  I've been too busy in my own little bubble to get over excited - but everyone is raving about the sound.

Everything about the panel is LG - it's the sound that's truly B&O.  I've also had a bit of feedback that some dealers are a bit upset that it sounds SO good they may struggle to sell speakers alongside it!

Let's see when it's launched then!

Lee

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Aug 9 2017 10:24 PM
That's encouraging with respect to the sound on the new TV sets.

As for picture quality, I thought the 4k images on my 14 looked pretty good, but I wasn't blown away. I was using streamed content via Netflix or Prime, if that's any help.

I eventually changed the 14 for a first generation Avant, as I got bored with the motion blurring on the 14, which was really bad as was the handling of dark scenes , and in the end had an aversion to anything Android. And that's after living with the 14 for 7 months, so gave it a good go.

I think the general image on the Avant is better, more even and a better all round performer, especially for my 95% use case, being broadcast HD.

Miss the design of the 14 though, which was so very cool
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Rob replied on Thu, Aug 10 2017 4:29 AM
Now I was primed on here to look for motion blurring, so I have been looking and maybe my eyes are bad, but I can not confirm any irritation to this regard. Due to the better image we can now sit closer to the TV, which is also made possible by the stand of the Avant, which (in my opinion) is just absolutely wow.

Re design: In my personal case, i have oak floors in a 500 year old Tudor house, so oak frets and the "mini" stand of the 14 would have looked out of place. But ok, I concur that's subjective.

As for Android, I have every reason to believe that this platform will continue to be developed and improved and that it will be sustainable. Like it or not, over the air updates are part of the product experience. Regular improvements to operating systems/apps are just part of the deal, even if they do not always work perfectly from day one, it's our new reality.

Resale values: So what's new - I have owned an Avant DVD and a BV5 before, both at the time were an absolute joy, I used them for many years and like most 10 year old products, they were nearly worthless compared to their new prices. Manufacturer/dealer supported trade-in campaigns (as was the case with my new Avant) were a welcome experience. The general rule is simple: If you want to "trade in" every say two years and you can drive, sail or fly it (i.e. It's a luxury item), then you rent it and you don't buy it :-)... The exceptions are special collectors things - Landrover Defender Heritage or say a BS9000 in the White numbered edition. These are rules that I have lived well by, everything else is burning money.
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digi replied on Mon, Oct 23 2017 6:16 PM

Are there any rumours about the next software update? When will it come?

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Alexwebb replied on Mon, Oct 23 2017 6:39 PM

I was told that there is a software update available imminently. That came from the UK Regional Sales manager! Next few weeks. 

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Hi,

which cable are you using for 4k experience on your Beovision?

I bought an high speed cable but apple tv only recognize it running 4:2:2 and not 4:4:4!

I was thinking about buying this one - but 2m is too long:)

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HLL52ZM/A/belkin-ultra-high-speed-4k-hdmi-cable-2m

 

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BartS replied on Wed, Oct 25 2017 6:44 PM

Alexwebb:

I was told that there is a software update available imminently. That came from the UK Regional Sales manager! Next few weeks. 

I have heard such before.....

 

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I got the update on saturday - it took app. 30 minutes, so it must be a heavy update.. only thing I noticed was the bootup time of the TV is faster now.

 

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Fansastic replied on Mon, Oct 30 2017 6:33 PM

no update in Holland sofar, hope it will be due soon!

BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass

BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black

V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white

BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver

Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway

I know…B&O virus has grown on me ! 

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BartS replied on Tue, Oct 31 2017 6:39 PM

andersenpost:

I got the update on saturday - it took app. 30 minutes, so it must be a heavy update.. only thing I noticed was the bootup time of the TV is faster now.

 

Are you sure it is a recent update? What is the update information that is mentioned in the update menu of your TV?

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Hi

just checked - and NO - the software release date was in juneAngry

So i guess my TV "lost" its software and then updated it was the latest

Still waiting for a newer software version to fix issues - especially with the menus

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Alexwebb replied on Tue, Nov 14 2017 2:57 PM

Just got home from work and turned on my 14 and there is a software update available. 

I am currently downloading it. I will check after I’ve done the school run and report back the version number

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Alexwebb replied on Tue, Nov 14 2017 6:08 PM

Version No. QM153E.0.6.3.9

realease date 03/11/17  12:43

took about 25mins to download and install 

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Alexwebb:

Version No. QM153E.0.6.3.9

realease date 03/11/17  12:43

took about 25mins to download and install 

Interesting... nothing new on my BV14...

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Fansastic replied on Thu, Nov 16 2017 5:21 AM
Still no update here, do you experience any improvements in the new software?

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BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black

V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white

BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver

Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway

I know…B&O virus has grown on me ! 

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Alexwebb replied on Thu, Nov 16 2017 7:28 AM

Not noticed any improvements, but I have just had a brand new set installed free of charge. May have sent through early as I asked the sales director to send it.

still have ghosting evident around people on some broadcasts but much better than the old set. Is has anyone else experienced this? 

Im watching through a Sky Q 2TB box 

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Fansastic replied on Thu, Nov 16 2017 7:56 AM
blurring on my Horizon 48” is still noticeable but way less than it originally was.I assume that the panels on the BV14/Horizon will never be 100% free of blurring but hope they can fix it to 99%.

Do you have full multiroom capability with the new app?

BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass

BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black

V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white

BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver

Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway

I know…B&O virus has grown on me ! 

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BartS replied on Thu, Nov 16 2017 3:09 PM

The common release keeps getting postponed. I guess there are still issues to be solved in the update.

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