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BEOVISION ECLIPSE

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Beofan2:

In less than a week we all know a lot more facts about Eclipse. Spoke with my dealer today. He recieves Eclipse next wednesday. I will make my final judgement then but I´m excited from what I`ve learnt so far.

I am definitely hoping for the best! lol

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 6:57 PM
55

7145 with with fabric speaker cover

Aluminium cover extra 800!

Motorised stand 1399

Looks like a light version of bv7
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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 7:03 PM

what currency is that? euros i'm guessing....

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 7:05 PM
Sandyb:

what currency is that? euros i'm guessing....

Gbp
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svinaik replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 7:06 PM

Any update on 65 Inch Eclipse prices in Euro or Pound Sterling ?

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 7:07 PM
svinaik:

Any update on 65 Inch Eclipse prices in Euro or Pound Sterling ?

11k gbp excluding stand
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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 7:12 PM

thanks  -  not quite as bad as i had thought actually.

Pretty much the same as the 14-55 with fabric cover.

Bit less than the Avant, discounts notwithstanding.

The soundbar doesn't separate does it? All part of the same unit, from what i understand...

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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 8:15 PM
Sandyb:

thanks - not quite as bad as i had thought actually.

Pretty much the same as the 14-55 with fabric cover.

Bit less than the Avant, discounts notwithstanding.

The soundbar doesn't separate does it? All part of the same unit, from what i understand...

Actually it does look good imagine avant screen with bl7.2 below and a Avant centre speaker section below the speaker which houses all connections

Tv connection goes into speaker with mains hdmi and remote cable

The aluminium speaker fret looks like the holes in the bl12.2
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Steph replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 9:38 PM

Does the speaker move?

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Duels replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 9:45 PM
Steph:

Does the speaker move?

No
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Steph replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 10:01 PM

:-(

So the magic is in the stand... Pitty!

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Michael replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 10:37 PM
Imagine a Tv from Apple. They have:

HomeKit (control everything in the best way)

Great Interface (the best) (tvOS)

Great hardware/processor/system design

AirPlay 2 for wireless sound

Siri

FaceTime/motion detection/ARkit etc

ProMotion with real time hz adjustment to material

Natural color compensation for room adoption

Great networking & wifi design

Limit energy consumption & environmental impact is a big thing apple works very much with optimizing always.

Great selection of apps and developers already familiar with iOS, macOS and tvOS for easy adoption to a new "tv-tvOS".

Has great designers and aren't afraid of working with exotic materials as aluminum, steel, gold, liquid metal - ceramics even.

Has the best selling stores in the world. Could easily start selling TVs in store with small easy boxes and a setup that will be a breeze compared to anything else on the market. Just connect it and it is online. Hold your phone or watch near and it can start up almost automatically. (Getting wifi and Apple ID off your device - no need to enter anything).

They have a big focus on room audio adaptation - just look at the homepod introduction.

They also have a microphone system to hear you easily from any direction in a room. Perfect for a TV.

Their platforms are running games and other apps really, really good and really stable - with good speeds. Excellent for a TV as well. No need for a separate Apple TV puck.

I mean, why would anyone not want this?

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Apple will not be entering the TV business any time soon! The profit margins are far too low.

Besides, Apple are looking much further into the future of how we’ll be consuming entertainment content by working on AR (Augmented Reality) with their recent release of ARKit to developers.
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vlohjr1 replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 11:07 PM
Apparently there is an essence equivalent in the soundbar of the eclipses so it can sound as an independent audio system as well
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Sandyb replied on Thu, Aug 24 2017 11:08 PM
Nice idea in theory

They do a lot of things very well, but not everything

Siri isn't very good firstly - maybe none of the voice assistants are either, but they are certainly behind in this area.

Not sure Face time on a big screen is its best use.

And TV OS is very far from perfect - works fine as a disparate set of apps but has a long way to go to become a unified interface and relies on 3rd party services to play ball, which they don't always (Netflix)

The apps themselves are also not all great - I investigated replacing my cable package with streaming subscriptions for tennis, golf and the NFL. Chose not to - the app experience is compromised or unreliable, and these are from big official providers. An Apple TV set might encourage these to develop, but as of now are very compromised.

Personally speaking, current high end TV'S are amazing - I'd rather leave the producing of images and audio to the experts, which Apple aren't.

And I say this as an Apple fan.

And producing TV'S is expensive. It doesn't fit their high margin model.
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Ammier replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 8:15 AM

vlohjr1:
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7145 with with fabric speaker cover

 

 

Aluminium cover extra 800!

 

Motorised stand 1399

 

 

Looks like a light version of bv7

 

That's actually not that bad. 1000 cheaper would of been better, I think the Avant 55 was 5000 when it launched. The two major things I am curious about is will it come with hdmi 2.1 and will you be able to upgrade the panel. Someone mentioned the later in one of the threads and if its true it could change the longterm value proposition somewhat depending on the cost of the upgrade. 

 

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 10:02 AM

I don't believe the current 2017 LG's come with 2.1, so i doubt that the Eclipse will.

From what i read, full 2.1 capability requires a hardware upgrade. Certain aspects (dynamic metadata for HDR) may work over 2.0 with a software upgrade. 

Personally i wouldn't worry, but thats just me.

Most of these new capabilities require physical discs to show the TV's ability at its best. I'm not inclined to upgrade my (30-40) Blu-Rays to 4K UHD versions, and then again to HFR versions anytime soon. Picture quality is pretty damn good on Blu-Ray, and yes while 4K HDR versions will be better, in the end most modern films (which is what will be available in newer formats) aren't very good. Upgrading a disc collection is also expensive - my Blu-Ray discs cost 10 pounds max, fine for a classic movie, but 4K UHD discs are roughly 25 pounds....

So i wouldn't worry about it

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Ammier replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 10:22 AM

Sandyb:

I don't believe the current 2017 LG's come with 2.1, so i doubt that the Eclipse will.

From what i read, full 2.1 capability requires a hardware upgrade. Certain aspects (dynamic metadata for HDR) may work over 2.0 with a software upgrade. 

Personally i wouldn't worry, but thats just me.

Most of these new capabilities require physical discs to show the TV's ability at its best. I'm not inclined to upgrade my (30-40) Blu-Rays to 4K UHD versions, and then again to HFR versions anytime soon. Picture quality is pretty damn good on Blu-Ray, and yes while 4K HDR versions will be better, in the end most modern films (which is what will be available in newer formats) aren't very good. Upgrading a disc collection is also expensive - my Blu-Ray discs cost 10 pounds max, fine for a classic movie, but 4K UHD discs are roughly 25 pounds....

So i wouldn't worry about it

Good points, I agree I dont think not having it is a deal breaker.  

 

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vlohjr1 replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 10:27 AM
Beofan2:

http://www.recordere.dk/2017/08/beovision-eclipse-oled-tv-ventes-klar-paa-ifa/ An article in Danish with a mock up.

This is 95% correct
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Sandyb replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 10:31 AM
Yeah, I suspect there might be some hard-core gamers for whom 2.1 might be an issue, but for the rest of us, I wouldn't stress.

As for swapping the panel in the future, interesting question, though my gut instinct says pretty unlikely. Not sure where that previous comment came from. But of course would be a great option to have
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Rombeek replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 10:31 AM

A picture would be nice.....Big Smile

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 10:37 AM

Although the article doesn't say a lot to be fair....

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Beofan2 replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 10:58 AM

Sandyb:

Although the article doesn't say a lot to be fair....

No, I agree. At least as a Beoworld`er. I posted it because it has a mock up and wanted some reaction to that. I don´t expect Recordere or any other media to post actual information before august 30.

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Marcello replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 11:12 AM

Sandyb:
Yeah, I suspect there might be some hard-core gamers for whom 2.1 might be an issue, but for the rest of us, I wouldn't stress.

 

 

As for swapping the panel in the future, interesting question, though my gut instinct says pretty unlikely. Not sure where that previous comment came from. But of course would be a great option to have

Another little bird told me that the internal order from the dealer to B&O actually includes two items: the screen and the "sound processor". I don't know if it's for logistics (screen from South Korea and soundbar from DK or CZ) or if we can dream of having a modular, future-proof setup.

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moxxey replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 11:20 AM

Rombeek:

A picture would be nice.....Big Smile

There's one linked above. Still a bit on the fence about the design. What do others think?

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moxxey:

There's one linked above. Still a bit on the fence about the design. What do others think?

I think the design in the article mock-up looks fine but obviously I’ll be reserving final judgement until I see the actual thing in a few days. Yes - thumbs up
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Invitations starting to come from the dealers, who have

'something that secret that they can't yet talk about it', 

to show on  august the 30.

MM

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Ammier replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 12:43 PM

I think I like the design, it depends on how slim the overall profile is and I hope the back is flat as opposed to, like most televisions, a thin part for panel and a thicker part for the electronics. I would prefer more a beovision 14 side profile if you get what I mean.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 12:59 PM
Depth is a bit more than the Avant - largely because of the speaker. 13 or 14 cm I'm told

BV14 was 8, Avant around 13 - both wall mounted figures. I've had /got both.

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Duels replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 1:34 PM

 

moxxey:

There's one linked above. Still a bit on the fence about the design. What do others think?

Google translates part of the article linked above as follows:

"Pictured above is our bid on appearance of the soundbar, but it is important to stress that this is a mockup. It is NOT B&Os OLED TV that is on the image, but merely a recordere.dk illustration".

Its just guesswork on their part so far.

 

 

 

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andy_js replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 1:54 PM
Kind of looks like the second coming of the BV7.
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moxxey replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 1:57 PM

Duels:

Its just guesswork on their part so far.

If you read what someone who has seen it above, he says it's 95% the same. So it's far from "guesswork". They've just added a warning to cover themselves.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 2:22 PM
Yeah but that article says precious little in itself...
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moxxey replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 3:36 PM

andy_js:
Kind of looks like the second coming of the BV7.

To be fair though, I think I prefer the design of the BV7, especially the space between the panel and speaker. I do wonder how this will work if the speaker is huge and the panel is wafer-thin. Will look odd on the wall, for example. If the speaker separates from the panel, I suppose it could rest on a cabinet below.

Guess we'll find out next week.

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benoit replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 5:03 PM

vlohjr1:
Beofan2:

 

http://www.recordere.dk/2017/08/beovision-eclipse-oled-tv-ventes-klar-paa-ifa/ An article in Danish with a mock up.

 

 

This is 95% correct

I think it would perfectly work with table easel stand! And it would be a mor affordable alternative.

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vlohjr1 replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 6:17 PM
moxxey:

If you read what someone who has seen it above, he says it's 95% the same. So it's far from "guesswork". They've just added a warning to cover themselves.

It's not guesswork the only minor difference is that there is a rectangular box below the speaker which houses the connections

I agree with moxxey the bv7 is nice and eclipse is a minimalistic version a hybrid of the avant and bv7 I suppose

Sources from the store previously owned by mr al fayed says that this tv will be modular and can be updated if new panels are available

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Michael replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 6:23 PM
Sandyb:

Nice idea in theory

They do a lot of things very well, but not everything

Siri isn't very good firstly - maybe none of the voice assistants are either, but they are certainly behind in this area.

Not sure Face time on a big screen is its best use.

And TV OS is very far from perfect - works fine as a disparate set of apps but has a long way to go to become a unified interface and relies on 3rd party services to play ball, which they don't always (Netflix)

The apps themselves are also not all great - I investigated replacing my cable package with streaming subscriptions for tennis, golf and the NFL. Chose not to - the app experience is compromised or unreliable, and these are from big official providers. An Apple TV set might encourage these to develop, but as of now are very compromised.

Personally speaking, current high end TV'S are amazing - I'd rather leave the producing of images and audio to the experts, which Apple aren't.

And I say this as an Apple fan.

And producing TV'S is expensive. It doesn't fit their high margin model.

Not so sure. Apple makes use of great displays and has the money to do it well. I have been using apples 27" monitor for many many years and trust it for colors. It doesn't have any dust inside it either while my Avant does, my both previous Avants had fingerprints and other blemishes as well. Experts.

I think they can produce a Tv successfully and with a profit margin that's great for them. One Apple TV would not be like Samsungs plethora of TVs. So less problematic in that point of view.

Apps can improve but I have yet to see any other system as well designed as Apples. Especially on mobile devices and Tv. Apple TV is by far my favorite user interface on my Avant.

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moxxey replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 6:28 PM

Michael:
I think they can produce a Tv successfully and with a profit margin that's great for them. One Apple TV would not be like Samsungs plethora of TVs. So less problematic in that point of view.

They aren't producing a TV. Please move on from this thought. It's been discussed since...2010.

TVs are old-school. It's not Apple's target area, plus they have no real area to display huge TVs nor want to compete against Samsung and others who produce their own panels.

On top of this, Apple has said numerous times that their Apple TV product is more of a 'hobby' and has been given a relatively low priority. We might see a 4K version be released this September and we might see more custom TV content from Apple, but we won't see a consumer TV.

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Aug 25 2017 6:48 PM
Peak "Apple is coming out with a TV " had passed years ago I thought

The Apple TV interface is fine, I use it amongst other things, but it's not the steps forward in the TV experience that many want

Best guess of the margin on their products is 50% on the iPhone and 25% on the ipad..that should tell you everything. There is nothing to gain by getting into the TV market. They can achieve a presence in the lounge using Apple TV boxes and making content, itself risky.

I have a 27 Inch Apple screen - it's great, but so what? It's not being asked to do the same job as top end OLED screens, so that's rather meaningless....and when it comes to trust, Sony and Panasonic have video credentials, look at how their recent TV'S have rated above LG, precisely for that reason

So sure, it would be nice to power on your big screen and be greeted by a nothing but Apple experience, but not one single thing they have done should lead you to expect such an outcome.

And there is a reason why... They can't even cut the content deals they want, so the rest just collapses from there

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