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KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
BAND'OH!: I will need to buy a TV in the next 6 months when my house renovations are complete and I think I'll be hard pushed paying c£5,000 for an Avant 2014 model or earlier when there are sets like the Sony A1 out there now, let alone what might be available in 6 months. If I do decide to pay 'B&O money' I would get the LG W7 wallpaper TV. Who wouldn't? Let's be serious for a minute, who on earth would buy an Eclipse over that? Some here would perhaps, and if you are one of them (genuinely) then please tell me your reasoning as I am very curious to know how you arrive at this decision.
I will need to buy a TV in the next 6 months when my house renovations are complete and I think I'll be hard pushed paying c£5,000 for an Avant 2014 model or earlier when there are sets like the Sony A1 out there now, let alone what might be available in 6 months. If I do decide to pay 'B&O money' I would get the LG W7 wallpaper TV. Who wouldn't? Let's be serious for a minute, who on earth would buy an Eclipse over that? Some here would perhaps, and if you are one of them (genuinely) then please tell me your reasoning as I am very curious to know how you arrive at this decision.
Actually I have been playing with various scenarios in my head also. For the 55/65 inch screen, I think that Sony A1E will be perhaps best value (If you want to a bit more upscale versus LG B /C) and Loewe BILD 5 /(in particular BILD 7) start to get a bit pricy but if you are considering 77 Inch, Than LG Wall paper / Loewe 77 becomes a great value proposition compared to Sony (LG Wall paper is just a fantastic concept and Loewe 77 is just more bang for bucks versus Sony in terms of B&Oesq... motorized stand / screen and built in hard drive etc.) and it will be less than Eclipse 65..
Decisions... decisions....
Lars Ladingkaer: Millemissen: What if there is a LG C8 in the BVEclipse this time next year? Yes, there will be a new LG OLED in Eclipse each year. Expect Eclipse to ship with C8 from sometime next year and C9 the year after. Thats what B&O told us at the IFA show. And this do make sense. Since LG is not going to maintain a production of old models, just for one smaller client. /Lars
Millemissen: What if there is a LG C8 in the BVEclipse this time next year?
What if there is a LG C8 in the BVEclipse this time next year?
Yes, there will be a new LG OLED in Eclipse each year.
Expect Eclipse to ship with C8 from sometime next year and C9 the year after.
Thats what B&O told us at the IFA show.
/Lars
I wrote this with a question mark, because I did not have any confirmation (as you have).
But I was/am pretty sure that this will happen.
Moxxey wrote 'Do people actually *think* things through?'
I actually am very convinced that the B&O guys have thought this through for us.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
KMA: I don't see it happening, though – the upgrade path. Where would all the Eclipse's C7 TVs go?
I don't see it happening, though – the upgrade path. Where would all the Eclipse's C7 TVs go?
...the C7 tv's go?
Sell 'em on Beoworld to people with DIY ambitions ;-))
The BV Eclipse it is listed as two different items - and you become two packages.
Would be no problem to offer a new version of the LG part - I guess LG (and your dealer) would be happy to sell a new tv part once a year.
Competition? Apple announcing 4K TV???? Live presentation. https://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2017/
Graham
streaming box, not TV set
Sandyb: streaming box, not TV set
Ah, just an Apple TV upgrade.
I ventured down the the Russell Street store in Melbourne today.
They had on display the 65 inch version.. The pictures are something, the actual product looks amazing. the fabric fret looks great, i doubt many will go with the mesh grill..
Sounds great, looks great, its nice and thin, on a motor floor stand, a very nice big B&O TV.
Approximately $22,000AUD plus delivery, a big jump from the LG version, hopefully stores sell a few!
Rob.B: I ventured down the the Russell Street store in Melbourne today. They had on display the 65 inch version.. The pictures are something, the actual product looks amazing. the fabric fret looks great, i doubt many will go with the mesh grill.. Sounds great, looks great, its nice and thin, on a motor floor stand, a very nice big B&O TV. Approximately $22,000AUD plus delivery, a big jump from the LG version, hopefully stores sell a few!
$15k for the 55 plus install and delivery charges
They said if you order with the alu (mesh) grille then they will give you a fabric one until the mesh one is available next year.
I just thought when you moved it it jittered a bit on the stand
No other TV sounds as good though.
TV component is 6250 versus the RRP of the LG c7 on the LG website of 4100 so its a 2k markup - that's not too bad. The rest is in the sound bar (same price as the screen) and the stand is a bit exxy.
Sandyb: While the Eclipse is modular in its genesis I guess, unless the company explains the upgrade capacity, then I think all this talk of interchangeable panels, whether LG/B&O partnership panels or otherwise, is going off at the deep end a little
While the Eclipse is modular in its genesis I guess, unless the company explains the upgrade capacity, then I think all this talk of interchangeable panels, whether LG/B&O partnership panels or otherwise, is going off at the deep end a little
It's just an opinion, but I think B&O has never mentioned anywhere that the panel will be upgradable. I think it's a combination of our and dealer speculation.
The only possibility is that B&O updates the Eclipse with a new panel and then offers this updated panel to existing customers. But, really, would you want to buy one? It won't be LG street price. You're probably looking at a good £4000+ for a panel which is surely only a relatively minor update?
ie. are we seriously discussing a) buying an expensive Eclipse and then b) spending even more on a 2018 panel next year?
This thread has lost the plot :)
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No i agree, i was trying to be diplomatic re the issue of upgrading panels - whats the industry average for changing TV's? 5-7 years? Anyone want to place a bet that B&O and LG are still in partnership then?
Yesterday was even worse - oh look, i'm getting all my iTunes library upgraded to 4K HDR!
Er, no...you really aren't....
Chris Townsend:I was at a dealer today, who was totting up the parts individually.Screen costs x, speaker costs y, stand etc I guess the upside is that in say 5-7 years time when 8k or whatever is out, you won't have to reinvest in the speaker and stand again! Unless of course B&O has phased out the design
I guess the upside is that in say 5-7 years time when 8k or whatever is out, you won't have to reinvest in the speaker and stand again! Unless of course B&O has phased out the design
Do you actually believe that you will be able to update the set in 5 to 7y? No way... No electronics manufacturer had a product that is that future proof. Not now, not 7y ago, not 7y in the future.
Just see where we were 7y ago.. non of that stuff is upgradable to current standards
I guess that a next gen panel will happen in around 18months ("Moore's Law") time with an interim release somewhere in the middle. 1 generation update.. OK.. could happen... but afterwards.. not gonna happen.
Karel.
Chris Townsend:The sound bar and stand will be though. All B&O would need to do us insist on the size etc to fit surely?
B&O insist to LG - really???
Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: Chris Townsend:The sound bar and stand will be though. All B&O would need to do us insist on the size etc to fit surely? B&O insist to LG - really???
Old saying comes to mind, insist in one hand and dump in the other and see which fills up first.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
I must admit. Incredible. Insist to a huge manufacturer....in years to come, they "must" create a panel to fit an old sound bar? Really? Insist.
moxxey: Puncher: Chris Townsend:The sound bar and stand will be though. All B&O would need to do us insist on the size etc to fit surely? B&O insist to LG - really??? I must admit. Incredible. Insist to a huge manufacturer....in years to come, they "must" create a panel to fit an old sound bar? Really? Insist.
Like insisting to Apple that they should continue with 30 pin connectors to fit the BS8.
moxxey:I must admit. Incredible. Insist to a huge manufacturer....in years to come, they "must" create a panel to fit an old sound bar? Really? Insist.
Well, they (B&O and LG) must have made some rules (a contract) on how this can work.
Since LG isn't going to support old models of their OLEDs for Bang & Olufsen alone, there must be some sort of agreement on how to handle the future product updates on LG OLEDs.B&O said that the next years LG TV's will fit the Eclipse Sound System also.
However, whether or not this require modifications at the B&O end year after year, we don't know. But I would assume that LG has agreed on some sort of a common interface, to handle the connection between the two parties.
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Chris Townsend:Because they are the fee paying customer. Is the panel the Eclipse uses a standard size C7, or one that has been built to fit? At B&Os insistence.
True in that there is a partnership with LG rather than B&O just making a sound bar to carry a screen that LG just happen to make.
Who wants to upgrade their screen part every year?
A lot of the Beoworlders have gad their tv's for ages - and are still happy.
Lars Ladingkaer: moxxey:I must admit. Incredible. Insist to a huge manufacturer....in years to come, they "must" create a panel to fit an old sound bar? Really? Insist. Well, they (B&O and LG) must have made some rules (a contract) on how this can work.
Much like software development or Spotify contracts?
The LG panel has custom rear components. They aren't going to make drop-in custom swap out panels in years to come for a manufacturer selling small numbers each year.
This is taking positive wishful thinking to another level and now beyond.
moxxey: The LG panel has custom rear components. They aren't going to make drop-in custom swap out panels in years to come for a manufacturer selling small numbers each year. This is taking positive wishful thinking to another level and now beyond.
Well, the actual connection between the two is just HDMI.
This means it will work with any LG OLED beyond.
But they (LG & B&O) will have to commit to a design for the interconnection, and I believe that they have.
I to ventured to the Russell St Store on the weekend. Spent an hour with the Eclipse. I was impressed. Was it for me? No!
After an investment in 5 speakers within my living room an additional sound bar of this calibre, would be just overkill. Plus my beolab 2 sits comfortably underneath our TV, it can't do that with the Eclipse.
If there was such a thing as an OLED screen on a Beovision 7 stand or the new Avant at a reasonable price it would do fine. It’s what I and maybe others need. Its possible something similar maybe out soon, who knows?
Just some thoughts.
Beoaus.
Picked up the following intel:
- B&O will come with GUI improvements.
- Electronic curtain will come
- The soundbar include image processing for the sources that are connected through the soundbar connections. So there are
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I got one of the first Avant 75's with the SUHD panel - this was in June 2015. Since then they introduced the cut-cost variant, Avant NG, and they have just discontinued that as well. In just approx. 27 months. But I do believe the Eclipse will be around a little longer, but with updates - but not long enough to justify buying a second panel. The total life span of the new Avant was 3 years or so - including the NG versions?
Roger
Lars Ladingkaer: This means it will work with any LG OLED beyond.
Yes, but the Eclipse panel has custom rear plastic components etc, which is why it's not a case of buying any off-the-shelf LG panel and dropping it in as a replacement.
To be honest, this sounds like ridiculous wishful thinking encouraging potential Eclipse purchases based on the fact you'll be able to "swap your panel for a newer release later on", forgetting:
a) B&O has a modern history of letting us down on stopping support for TV updates sooner than we expected. Or over-promising and under delivering.
b) Subtly changing the design - think BV10 to BV11 (and even then the speaker grille attachment changed) to BV14 in a few years. Who says that the Eclipse design won't subtly change in a year and they drop support for the original?
c) Any replacement 'custom' LG panel is bound to be quite expensive and potentially at least half the price of the Eclipse retail, for very minimal enhancements. Remember, you'll be buying this replacement from B&O, who will mark it up accordingly.
Hiort: Picked up the following intel: - B&O will come with GUI improvements. - Electronic curtain will come - The soundbar include image processing for the sources that are connected through the soundbar connections. So there are
That is indeed good news! If I start to save up money now it will be a proper B&O TV when I can afford it *Wink*
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Which is exactly why B&O haven't made any play of this potential feature of the Eclipse.
They are not marketing this as a modular TV - if they did, it deserves some discussion. But they haven't, so it means little.
If your panel is faulty, fine they can just replace that - thats the only difference i can see to the one pice BV's previously.
And again, if you bought an Eclipse today, why would you want to change the panel in the next 3 or 4 years? Maybe beyond that yes, but i wouldn't place any faith that (a) the form factors hasn't changed and (b) the partnership is still alive and kicking.
And it doesn't really solve the "lack of B&O" in the panel, swapping a 17 LG panel for a future one, given their lack of input into the GUI.
I do still hold out some (small) hope that the GUI gets some future treatment....a hope based on nothing of course, just a hope.
moxxey: Lars Ladingkaer: This means it will work with any LG OLED beyond. Yes, but the Eclipse panel has custom rear plastic components etc, which is why it's not a case of buying any off-the-shelf LG panel and dropping it in as a replacement.
No, what I meant was that B&O will have no problems selling Eclipse for the next years, and that they either get displays from LG that fits the Sound Center perfectly, or has some options to modify the Sound Center rear part to fit next years LG C8 and C9 the year after.
Hiort:Picked up the following intel: - B&O will come with GUI improvements. - Electronic curtain will come - The soundbar include image processing for the sources that are connected through the soundbar connections.
Hiort:Picked up the following intel: - B&O will come with GUI improvements. - Electronic curtain will come - The soundbar include image processing for the sources that are connected through the soundbar connections. So there are
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