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Good point Jeff,
But I think it's also because we listen to music in a different way these days - whereas 30 0r 40 years ago, a person would sit in their home a listen to a gramophone record on something that was part of the furniture. Nowadays music travels with us.
In the home, for a lot of people especially in apartments, a music player is a secondary device. We are used to driving our cars with a minimum of 8 speakers fitted as standard or in many case 10, 14 or 17 speaker systems PLUS of course with international headphone culture the stereo experience is certainly there. Of course, the fans on this site are not the typical home music system customer and will never agree to the little music player that fits in with the bijou apartment - although the A9 seems to totally defy this concept :)
In conclusion, the way in that the world is listening to music has evolved. When I was a lil shorty, 100% of my music listening was at home now it's probably less than 2% at the very most.
Second what you wrote Paul, excellent post.
Music is digital,and travels with us...this is the truth and B&O must adapt his pilosophy to these facts...
But for me the Fi-Fi and the'old' dedicated music player concept will be more important that digital compressed files and such.
:)
The A9 seems great! I love it.
Couple of days later ... I like the black fret, and love the brown fret option!
Still hoping for a better wall mount pic rather than the site's head-on one -what were they thinking?
Hopefully the A9 Encore with revised pricing will make it in time for Xmas!
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Yes I am a salesman and have worked for several dealers over the last 30 years. I find your comment about "salesmen being biased" patronising. You have never met me so how can you possibly make such a sweeping statement?
Over the years I have tried to offer advice on this forum where questions have been posted about products or technical queries. I have never blatantly plugged a product and I have tried to remain neutral preferring to stick to factual responses.
I take exception to your comment that I would “eulogise over a BeoTurd”. I simply made a suggested that before everybody jumps to conclusions, they wait to see the A9 in the showroom and make an informed judgement then.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When I first saw the Avant I wasn’t sure about it but then the sample colour was red. I, like many thousands of others, now regard this as a classic. Over time I have owned three.
When I saw A9 for the first time I thought “that’s different”. The sound is not lacking but that is just my opinion. You feel the current designs are crap and that is your opinion. I wouldn’t presume to speculate if you have an axe to grind. We can’t be all things to all people. But we can respect each others opinions.
Agreed! Recent B&O designs take more time for people to warm up too. They tend to provoke more which is kinda in line with Miuccia Prada's design philosophy actually. B&O is more of a trend setter than a follower. One thing that Beoplay9 seriously lack is a digital input! Omg! How can they miss that?! You can omit the RCA inputs but definitely not digital inputs these days but I guess this speaker is really meant as a Airplay oriented product which I must say is pretty bold commitment itself. No wonder Apple is reserving shelf space for this giant. I just realized how beoplay 9 is designed as if to float visually like its beosound 8 counterpart. Despite being a serious audiophile products like the beolab 3, beosound 8 are proving to be almost irreplaceable for their form and function. What works better than beolab 3s as high end computer speakers? I think Beoplay 9 will soon proof to be irreplaceable for me too.
AirPlay, DLNA, USB are all digital. But you're right, it really shouldn't be seen as a speaker that's designed to be connected to some hifi elements. It's a music system in itself that plays music stored in mobile devices.
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
I like it. No, it's not a b&o design. It's a b&o play design (which is starting to make more sense). Unlike any thing out there. It's not for me because my home is fully masterlinked, but it is good to see b&o continue to innovate. Clearly, it is not for everyone, but universal appeal tends to be boring (see most Asian cars).
To all the stereo naysayers, this seems more like a very large Beosound 1 - a system I've enjoyed for 10+ years. No, it will never sound quite as good as separate speakers, but I think simplicity is a decent compromise
wonderfulelectric:Recent B&O designs take more time for people to warm up too. They tend to provoke more which is kinda in line with Miuccia Prada's design philosophy actually. B&O is more of a trend setter than a follower.
I doubt that.Since the late 60's B&O has been a trendsetter. Just think about the slide rulers on the Beolab 5000 set from 1967. That was trendsetting -later copied by a lot of other companies. And the Beomaster 1900 from 1974. That was groundbreaking - and shocking to a lot of people. A complete new way of making a receiver. And a timeless design that with a few modifications was in the product range for almost 20 years. And it still looks good.The 'column' speakers is another design that was groundbreaking (and copied over and over again by others).
IMO many of the new B&O designs are more based upon what is trendy now. As mentioned earlier in this thread, 'retro' is in, when talking about interior design -and fashion. But fashion changes every year -and with a time cycle of 10-15 years they start all over again. Then it's 60', then it's 70's again, etc...Look at the Beolit 12 - inspired by a portable radio from the 60's. The V1 looks like something Loewe has made. And now this A9 that looks like something from the 50's/60's with those wooden legs...(or looks like a dart board -or a IKEA folding table -or a sattelite dish on a tripod...or, or, or...)
Nothing new and groundbreaking here. Will it be trendy in 5 or 10 years..? Is it timeless..? Shocking...Yeah, maybe...Shockingly bad design.
I think what a lot of people don't realise is the HUGE size of this thing. It's the size of an old ASTRA Satellite dish - those huge things that we had bolted to our houses at the end of the 1980's - early90s!
wonderfulelectric: One thing that Beoplay9 seriously lack is a digital input! Omg! How can they miss that?! You can omit the RCA inputs but definitely not digital inputs these days but I guess this speaker is really meant as a Airplay oriented product which I must say is pretty bold commitment itself.
One thing that Beoplay9 seriously lack is a digital input! Omg! How can they miss that?! You can omit the RCA inputs but definitely not digital inputs these days but I guess this speaker is really meant as a Airplay oriented product which I must say is pretty bold commitment itself.
Not to be too picky, but I think that with ethernet, Airplay, and the USB port, the A9 has "digital input' pretty well covered. I don't think S/P-DIF is all that important right now.
We kid because we love.
Well perhaps some will like to use it occasionally for movies? Spdif will be nice inclusion.
Well I think it is cute and unique. I am tired for ' serious' designs that look like they are trying too hard. It looks fun! I have a lamp from flos that kinda look like it actually.
wonderfulelectric:Well perhaps some will like to use it occasionally for movies? Spdif will be nice inclusion.
...after which people would want it to decode every possible DTS etc format, after which it would be nice if it had 6 Powerlink outputs for other speakers so you could build a home theater around it, and then and then and then... how about a Blu-Ray drive as well.
The problem with every new B&O (and Play) product is that once you merge all the wishes and expectations, every product should be able to do everything and connect to anything. It's simply not sensible nor possible. There are different products for different purposes...
--mika
Digital input is actually a totally valid request for AirPlay speakers. I am getting the beoplay a9 despite it not having one. Maybe it's the audiophile in me talking but I don't like analog connections that much.
wonderfulelectric:Digital input is actually a totally valid request for AirPlay speakers.
I'm sure it is... but I believe the principal idea of the A9 is that most of the intended audience won't have a system (apart from the iDevices) to connect to, and even if they do, a physical cable will be the last thing they want to connect it with.
tournedos:I'm sure it is... but I believe the principal idea of the A9 is that most of the intended audience won't have a system (apart from the iDevices) to connect to, and even if they do, a physical cable will be the last thing they want to connect it with. --mika
I am not sure what happened to all the prediction about the A9 (e.g. passive speaker hook-ups) or whether that was another announcement that we might see this week ...
The one accurate clue was Vienna's so I was tempted to fake a picture of a white A( with a HUGH smiley on it !
Instead I thought I would see what it might be like to use an A9 instead of my test of a Playmaker and some BeoLab 4s (shown below)
Now whilst I might not get this past SWMBO, I like the A9's red, seemingly much brighter than the colour of our Lab 4s ... and as best I can judge it this size is about right !!
Or do you think it would be better in the grate of the defunct fire place ??
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Paul W: But I think it's also because we listen to music in a different way these days - whereas 30 0r 40 years ago, a person would sit in their home a listen to a gramophone record on something that was part of the furniture. Nowadays music travels with us. In conclusion, the way in that the world is listening to music has evolved. When I was a lil shorty, 100% of my music listening was at home now it's probably less than 2% at the very most.
Firstly, I'm amused by the reference to 'gramophone record' 30 or 40 years ago as if the 1970s & 80s (which were 30/40 years ago!) were back in the 'dark days' of recorded music.
Anyway, to move on, the 100% / 2% figures above are interesting and IMO have nothing whatsoever to do with 'music travelling with us' or mobility of music. It's more to do with current lifestyles and behaviour. The reason most music listening isn't done at home much anymore is because the home environment has become cluttered with other media - multi-tvs, tablets,smartphones,computers. There is in theory nothing to prevent most music lovers listening to their music at home. It's a choice people make not to do it any more, they'd rather watch TV, spend time on a computer or tablet or communicate with via social media sites. Anything but switch all the other stuff off and sit down to listen to music.
Mobile music hasn't just arrived in the last couple of years. It's been around since the 1960s and the introduction of the cassette tape and later the Walkman. But back then the home environment was a different place entirely and more conducive to relaxing with music.
I'm old enough now to see the changes that have occurred. My son loves music, but, although he has a fine home system, he never listens to music at home any more. With TVs around the house and in both kids' bedrooms, computer games ringing out, it's just too damn noisy and hectic! For music listening, he just waits until he's in his car alone! That's nothing to do with changes in music technology, but everything to do with the way lives are now organised (or not organised to be more accurate).
kokomo:Mobile music hasn't just arrived in the last couple of years. It's been around since the 1960s and the introduction of the cassette tape and later the Walkman. But back then the home environment was a different place entirely and more conducive to relaxing with music.
While I was an consumer of cassette tapes and an adopter of the Walkman brigade I think there is a big different in usage pattern between the 70s~80s and the 00s ... a Beosound 2 was a good replacement to the Walkman, it allowed rapid skipping between tracks, had greater capacity, and the ability to easily move between albums (rather than ejecting tape), to say nothing of robustness (no more tangled magnetic ribbon)
But the capacity, user interface, and ease of use from smart phones and idevices is an even bigger step forward
So I know these technology advances have significantly changed my usage patterns !
kokomo:With TVs around the house and in both kids' bedrooms, computer games ringing out, it's just too damn noisy and hectic! For music listening, he just waits until he's in his car alone! That's nothing to do with changes in music technology, but everything to do with the way lives are now organised (or not organised to be more accurate).
However I do agree with THAT point ... life at home is way more noisy than it was when I could spend a peaceful Sunday afternoon listening for an hour or more to my latest symphony on a CD or latest opera on 3 CDs !
elephant:Now whilst I might not get this past SWMBO
Unless it is SWMBO-SAN ?
valve1: elephant:Now whilst I might not get this past SWMBO Unless it is SWMBO-SAN ?
LOL, and the camera is facing to the East too !
although from here the Land of the Rising Son is actually due North
Beofan53:Hi, I found this interesting link on the net: http://flatpanels.dk/flatforum/viewtopic.php?t=27124 Have a look at this site.
Have a look at this site.
Thanks, the link is to a blog post at FP http://flatpanels.dk/flatforum/viewtopic.php?t=27124
That has two pictures, some specifications that confirm the rumours, and some feedback on tests in what looks like the back room of a dealership.
I google translated the Danish text and this is what it reads:
Compared to Beovision 10, then BV11: 5 HDMI inputs, smart TV platform, 2 3-way speakers, wireless network and Internet connection as blah. also provides HBB TV, sleeker design and the possibility of installing the hard drive and bracket which can be tilted by remote control. It is also worth considering that with BV11 get anti-glare screen as standard in relation to the acquisition of BV10. There are also changes in the surround module that uses RJ-45 cables instead of DIN cables as Beovision 10 user.
The design is slimmer and appears more "clean" as the glass goes all the way to the edge and not the small wedge as BV10 have around the glass. On the whole, it is more rounded and the frame around has become smaller. At the top of the screen on the right side is also a difference that has come a light sensor which is also seen on the Beovision 12 which can accommodate light front and rear, opposite BV10 can only guess light in front of the screen. This can just be seen in the picture, but it is not so clear. Speaker fabric also comes in new colors and design of this is slimmer than BV10 too.
Experiences with BV11: The picture was really nice, no doubt, and in 55 "was impressive! However, I personally experienced no major difference in this rather Beovision 10, although I was told that it was a new panel was in. The panel is as far as I understood Still also edge-lit. The sound is nice and deep and it IS better than Beovision 10, one can clearly sense that it has more and richer bass, this may of course have something to say with it being a 55 "as cabinet volume is greater compared to 46" Beovision 10th Experiences with B & O Smart TV: B & O smart TV works really well but the content is not something that jumps in the eyes compared to the others on the market. However, the user interface is significantly more liquid compared to what I've experienced also in relation to my own Sony HX923.
Post ends with a comment that the Flatpanel Forum administrators can delete the post if they think it is inappropriate, so if you wish to see the pictures be quick to following the link !
elephant: That has two pictures, some specifications that confirm the rumours, and some feedback on tests in what looks like the back room of a dealership.
*g* Picture quality is a bit "paparazzo - sniper style" .Maybe "Struer-Leaks" ?Anyhow, if B&O wants to find the leakage the just have to trace the shipping labels of the other boxes ... *g*
I think what PAULW said in his post is about right, it looks like like an old satellite dish seen on every council house in Liverpool as I remember, this could work against it in my view, nobody wanted one of those inside the house?
It reminds me of a dustbin lid.
Flappo: It reminds me of a dustbin lid.
Agreed! But I like it. Lol.
The be 11. Looks interesting though . Have they sorted the game lag problem out yet ?
Flappo:The be 11. Looks interesting though . Have they sorted the game lag problem out yet ?
Haha! With all the things this TV is doing, you've found the one thing you can moan about!!!! I admire!
Considering that gaming now accounts for more revenue than MP3/DVD/Hollywood and Bollywood combined, Flappo has a valid point.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Thanks.
I think if they're aiming their new tvs at the apple set , gaming should definitely be an important feature .
Have you seen hw many games there are on the App Store fr iPad and iPhone etc?
they can all be played on the tv va the Apple TV , it won't be much of an advert for them if everything comes over like treacle.
Flappo:they can all be played on the tv va the Apple TV
I am not denying that for gamers that'd be an issue. I am not a gamer myself so that won't be a problem.
In the specific case of Airplay, the lag is more likely to come from the whole AirPlay over wifi thing, rather than the TV.
Fair enough.
I just think it's going to be a bit sad when B&O go after the young affluent market and their products don't perform like everything else on the market can.
How hard can it be to have a game mode that just turns EVERYTHING off ? ( apart from the picture of course )
I'm sure Paul W and his ilk know plenty of young wealthy types who would be put off by it.
" Buy B&O tv's , but don't play games on them. "
Odd since my Avant was amazing with a gamecube/ps2 attached ...
bidstonhall: I think what PAULW said in his post is about right, it looks like like an old satellite dish seen on every council house in Liverpool as I remember, this could work against it in my view, nobody wanted one of those inside the house?
Apparently anything is possible inside Bidston Hall.
nice link - appreciate it
srm: Hey elephant, i took yesterday my repaired BEO6 from my Dealer. But i couldn´t go until i asked about the new products. He told me that he goes to Munich next week, so there is the launch of the new products for the Dealers. This was his answer about the new Products: 1) A new TV (in his opinion a real B&O TV - no Beoplay) 2) The new Beoplay "moveable" Speakers (he meant it will be come on a Tripod Stand) 3) Even, the Beoplay Surround Set (which will works how the Bose CineMate and/or the Accousticmas- System. About the "Look" of this Product he had no answer :-(. There will be an active Subwoofer and some Passive Satellite-Speakers. 4) The New "Premium" Beosound (which he had also no Information about the Features and the Look) Personally, i don´t know of veracity of this facts.!!!!!!!! I hope - and my Dealer too :-), that that will be the right way for the future of B&O! Because what´s about the update of current Products (Yes, me ledges Issue - BS5E and so on)?? Greets
Hey elephant,
i took yesterday my repaired BEO6 from my Dealer.
But i couldn´t go until i asked about the new products.
He told me that he goes to Munich next week, so there is the launch of the new products for the Dealers.
This was his answer about the new Products:
1) A new TV (in his opinion a real B&O TV - no Beoplay)
2) The new Beoplay "moveable" Speakers (he meant it will be come on a Tripod Stand)
3) Even, the Beoplay Surround Set (which will works how the Bose CineMate and/or the Accousticmas- System. About the "Look" of this Product he had no answer :-(. There will be an active Subwoofer and some Passive Satellite-Speakers.
4) The New "Premium" Beosound (which he had also no Information about the Features and the Look)
Personally, i don´t know of veracity of this facts.!!!!!!!!
I hope - and my Dealer too :-), that that will be the right way for the future of B&O!
Because what´s about the update of current Products (Yes, me ledges Issue - BS5E and so on)??
Greets
What happened to number 3) ???? and 4)?
keep in mind that the dealer was right about the tripod stand in 2) a.k.a. A9