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Funny to see you'd need a converter to connect to the Beosound 5, they could certainly develop a software update as the Beomaster 5 has a network connection as well.
This new NL system is bringing so many questions...
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
http://issuu.com/bangolufsen/docs/bang___olufsen_network_link_infrastructure?mode=mobile
It is not so complicated, you only need many kat 7 cables. :)
I understand now why b & o recomnda atlona matrix, you don't need anything more than 2 kat 7 cables for each room and can use up to 32 rooms .
regards .
claudiu :I understand now why b & o recomnda atlona matrix, you don't need anything morethan 2 kat 7 cables for each room
Older Atlona Switches needed 2 cables, recent ones using HDBaseT technology just need 1 cable per room.
Raeuber:But what means "Netlink"?
NetworkLink is DIGITAL TCP/IP and can be distributed via switch or router.
Between BV11 and the NL/ML Converter the audio signal is digital, the NL/ML Converter has D/A as well as A/D converters to convertdigital NetworkLink into analogue MasterLink and vice versa.
NetworkLink will replace MasterLink during the next years - as long as you are using ML components in an existing ML setup you'll need a converter to "translate" digital to analogue (both directions).Distribution of HQ Audio is simple task compared to true HQ Video coming from eg. a BluRay.HD a la Apple TV is nice on a 32" maybe even on a 40" - on a 46" or 55" you clearly see themissing 80% of data lost/compressed by "APPLE HD 1080" if you compare it to real HD froma BLU-RAY (or a mediaplayer, beeing able to play BD-ISO or BD-MV files).
Maybe (pure speculation) the quite new HDBaseT technology used eg. by Atlona for HD Matrixdistribution will be implemented to NetworkLink in future - who knows.
Raeuber:Ok, so we have to wait again until Netlink offers new features
One thing to note about Video distribution is that B&O is adding UPNP/DLNA in all its new TV sets. So you've already got a way to watch all your movies/photos, etc... stored in a centralised NAS in all the rooms. In addition you can access MP3s as well.
Distributing a centralised BluRay disc player, or video coming from a proprietary sat receiver can be acheived with an HDMI matrix. But it might be cheaper to have BluRay player or a sat receiver in each room.
It is however annoying for many of us with an existing ML setup. I am in the UK, only my main TV has a freeview tuner, the others are "old" MX TV, and I am relying on the main TV tuner all the time... I couldn't replace my main TV with a BV11, otherwise all my other TVs are useless!
Actually I can watch on my BV 10 in linkroom via Masterlink blurays from the built-in bluray player and recordings from my Technisat receiver attached to my BV 7-40. Of course in SD, not in HD.
But with a BV 11 in linkroom I can't do this, neither in SD nor in HD. I thought this would be possible with the new Netlink!
/Räuber
Hi,
Has anymore seen more material from B&O describing Network Link and how it is intended to work?
And can 2 BV11 be connected and distributed sources digitally?
Regards
Ivan
ibg001: Hi, And can 2 BV11 be connected and distributed sources digitally? Regards Ivan
No, see the FAQ on B&O website:
Yes, you can connect your music system to your BeoVision 11 using the BeoLink Converter NL/ML and get sound distributed to link rooms. However, your music system must be part of an established Master Link setup. You can only use one television in this setup. It is not possible to distribute to another BeoVision 11 or BeoPlay V1 in a second room of the house. This setup requires a wired Internet connection and that WAKE ON LAN is set to ON in the television NETWORK menu.
Raeuber: Actually I can watch on my BV 10 in linkroom via Masterlink blurays from the built-in bluray player and recordings from my Technisat receiver attached to my BV 7-40. Of course in SD, not in HD.
actually you CONTROL your BD or TECHNISAT via MasterLink, and, if you press AV *** ,you also send the sound in stereo via ML.
Picture comes via an antenna cable in SD.
Vienna: Raeuber: Actually I can watch on my BV 10 in linkroom via Masterlink blurays from the built-in bluray player and recordings from my Technisat receiver attached to my BV 7-40. Of course in SD, not in HD. actually you CONTROL your BD or TECHNISAT via MasterLink, and, if you press AV *** ,you also send the sound in stereo via ML. Picture comes via an antenna cable in SD.
Quite right, Vienna!
Raeuber: But with a BV 11 in linkroom I can't do this, neither in SD nor in HD. I thought this would be possible with the new Netlink!
The video distribution concept is different now. Instead of having a "main" TV, or VideoMaster, and then this TV modulates a signal and broadcasts it to other TVs, you're now supposed to have all shared sources in a hidden cupboard, and a HDMI matrix distribute the signal to the client TV that requests that source.
This is much more costly as I understand these Matrixes are not cheap. But this is the only way to distribute a HD signal.
I have seen the information on the B&O web site. But it does not tell much. I was looking for some more detailed description.
Raeuber:It can't be true that Netlink is only used for the new ML-NL converter.
...even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step ...
Vienna:...even a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step ...
Beofan53:But the B&O site says this converter is only for products which support NetLink (like the new BV11 and V1).
V1 is a PLAY product, BSd 5 Encore a stand alone product - NO MasterLink or Network Link. At the moment the NETWORK LINK CONVERTER can merely connect a BV11 as a VIDEO-MASTERto a ML Audio-Master or to an existing ML setup ...
Having read the complete user guide for BV11, there is one major drawback to a mixed Masterlink-Netlink network: sound delay!
If you have a complete Masterlink setup with a master audio system sending sound to BeoLink Active, BL2000 or BL3500 in link rooms, you will have a sound delay in the room where you place your TV when you want to play music on it; this is logical in a way, since there will be an analog-digital conversion in the..converter. Unfortunately for me, as this was the main reason for buying a BV11..
Here the is an manual for Network Link but it is not updated with new products that supports like BV 11. You can get an idea of the infrastructure, but not for how B&O will handle video distribution with NL.
http://issuu.com/bangolufsen/docs/bang___olufsen_network_link_infrastructure
Hi Phil,
it seems only audio devices (BS 5, BS 4) in a masterlink environment (BS 5, BS 4) are supported by the NL/ML converter. That means NO video devices (BV 7 with V.OPT =6) can be component of the masterlink setup.
So you can´t use neither a masterlink Beovision (BV 7) nor a netlink Beovision (BV 11) in link rooms! And this limitation applies also if you only want to use a BV 7 to get audio sources from main room!
This is in my eyes a very poor solution! I will stay with my masterlink setup (BV 7 in main room, BV 10 in link room) until B&O offers a digital audio AND video distribution like the old analogue masterlink, maybe in 10 years...
Räuber
Everything cannot come the same day. BV 11 is a start and an indication that more will come. So be sure that Network Link will be the future. Of course it is a bit difficult when we own a lot equipment that support Master Link, but how should B&O have done otherwise when technology has to be changed to meet todays new requirements.
One thing I think that B&O should do very soon is just to reveal a bit of information on what to expect by NL in the future. That should help us all.
So B&O please describe just a bit of the future for NL on your web site. You can just add some future scenarios on the Bang and Olufsen web site.
I hope that B&O also reads these forums.
Raeuber:Actually the NL/ML converter only provides to attach an audio masterlink system to BV 11, without another TV in link room.
That's what it seems from the small amount of info available on the website, but a (not so technical) dealer said to me you could possibly have other link TVs in the system, as long as they are ML TVs (and not NL). So this needs to be clarified... we need more info, B&O if you read us...
Raeuber: My router is very far away from my living room.
The TV needs the internet to get its software update, access "webmedia", and get access to your network to be controlled via your iPad, access and share sources via UPNP/DLNA.
You could have a second router, costs nothing... but the best actually would be an Airport Extreme, configured to connect to your main router wirelessly, and you use two of its RJ45 sockets to connect the TV and the converter. Allowing this TV to access the internet, your home network, and connect the converter at the same time.
NL-ML converter can be placed there you want in your home if you have ML and wired connection to your network in that place (meaning that it not neccesary have to be in same room as BV11)
And also you can connect your BV11 wireless to your network and therefore you don´t need either ethernet or ML cable in mainroom there you place BV11, but B&O recommend wired connection to BV11 for two reason
1. The echo/delay on sound from ML system increase with wireless
2. You need very stable wireless network without disturbion elsevere sound dropout/connection failure can occur
The NL/ML BeoLink Converter - with the current software - can only be used for connecting a BV11 to an existing ML-setup. Allowing you to play the sources from a Audiomaster on the BV11 AND to use the sources on the BV11 on ML-product (and yes: a Link-tv is by definition a ML- product). Due to the AD/DA-convertion you cannot avoid sound-delay.
ML ist only sound (and control) - a videodistribution is not possible since the BV11 has no RF-modulator-option. The NL/ML Converter is a virtual ML-controller. At the moment it is locked to function as a VideoMaster, and can be used as Option 2/0 or 1/1 with an existing ML-master (and the attached ML-products).
In (near) future - you may think of a NL-based AudioMaster - it will be possible to use it to connect NL-Audio to a ML-videoproduct. There is definetely more to come
It cannot be used with V1or BS5Encore since they are neither NL- nor ML- based products!
The NL-ML must be on a NetworkLink-network (with its own router/subnet) to function correct, and must be connected to the Internet to get automatic updates. It is managed ether through the Service Tool of the B&O-dealer or through its own webpage (like any other network-based product). Here some settings can be made according to the sources of your setup and how to activate them on the connected products.
These are details that any B&O-dealer could have told you, if he already had used the opportunity of informing himself via B&O-intranet.
Most of the dealers seems to think: the costumer must not worry - this thing works - and we will iinstall it for you if you need it!
Only very few of the B&O-costumers are as "technical interested" as a "Beoworlder" obvisiously is .
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: Most of the dealers seems to think: the costumer must not worry - this thing works - and we will iinstall it for you if you need it! Only very few of the B&O-costumers are as "technical interested" as a "Beoworlder" obvisiously is .
That's true, but also because usually, the guy that sells isn't the installer and doesn't know that much about the tech side himself. Tech side which isn't becoming any simpler!
What still remains unknown to me, is whether or not I can still have a TV in a link room in option 5 or 6, and access the audio master or video master's sound (I understand I cannot get the video).
wtlc2zpx: What still remains unknown to me, is whether or not I can still have a TV in a link room in option 5 or 6, and access the audio master or video master's sound (I understand I cannot get the video).
" It cannot be used with V1or BS5Encore since they are neither NL- nor ML- based products! "
Millemissen are you sure? -I am not...
Because then beosound 5 encore was launched they told that in a few months NL to ML converter for bs5 encore should be released and then it delay that 1 year and so on,
so i think there is only a sw issue ! and because bs5/bm5 they not released sw but now then more products in NL concept are to be released i think that also include encore
tompa:they told that in a few months NL to ML converter for bs5 encore should be released
Raeuber:But of course you have to test if it works, probably Millemissen had tested it yet.
Räuber,
why - the heck - would one want to hear the sound of the BV11-tv-tuner in a linkroom?
All (ML-)audio is accessed as you usually access the (ML-)audio i.e. Source for Audio and AV-Source for Video. See also BV11Userguide page 59 (in my danish version).
Greetings Millemissen
OK, it might be possible that the BS5E could be updatet for NL - I would rather think that we are going to see a somewhat (hardware)updatet version, a new audioproduct.
But that is only me guessing
"The Cofiguration Tool " is a tool for B&O-technicians for several different purposes f.ex. PUC-updating.
Of cource this tool is often updatet.