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Set up problems with Beosound Shape

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gordongofer Posted: Sat, Apr 28 2018 10:38 PM

Ive installed a 6 tile, one amp Shape but im having problems with the set up. The product came up on the app as a shape, but didnt offer me a screen to put in the design ID. 

What i have now is basically a core with some speakers attached. The app shows it as a core. Ive looked everywhere for advice, reset, and tried every possible way of rebooting it, as well as talking to my dealer. 

Ive tried it via wifi, wired by cat 7, etc etc. 

It strikes me as a software problem, but it is the latest release. 

Is anyone else having this problem?

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6 tiles, yes - but do you have 4 speakers?

The official guide for setting up (including entering the design ID) is here:

https://youtu.be/MTKFh5G277U

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2 speakers

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By the way,  this video (and the app in it) is way out of date. 

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Duels replied on Sun, Apr 29 2018 11:42 AM
I thought you needed a minimum of 4 speakers to be able to use the set up algorithm and “band on the wall” feature of the shape.
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w5bno123 replied on Sun, Apr 29 2018 12:22 PM
Duels:

I thought you needed a minimum of 4 speakers to be able to use the set up algorithm and “band on the wall” feature of the shape.

You need a minimum of 6 speakers for band on the wall.
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Do you have a link to this information? Dealer unaware.

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w5bno123 replied on Mon, Apr 30 2018 2:58 PM
BeoSound Core doesn’t know its a Shape until you tell it by way of resetting it.

You need to connect the USB and optical cables only between the BS Core and Amplifier. Connect power to both items. Factory reset the Core by holding the reset button for 10 seconds. The Core then appears as a Shape in the App. I hope this helps.

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w5bno123:
You need a minimum of 6 speakers for band on the wall.
Oddly, the B&O Shape configurator doesn't specify this?

Ins’t there a confusion with 6 “tiles” (4 speakers, 1 amp, 1 core)?

Here's the 8 tiles I draw and the recommanded components ; note that this "recommanded" setup sports only 2 speakers

Even by setting the cursor to "maximum sound", there are "only"4 speakers ; I needed to add 1 more tile to access the 6 speakers possibility at maximum sound setup (with this very elongated - and not that nice - form)

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nlanks replied on Mon, Apr 30 2018 8:18 PM

It's 4 speakers per amplifier, not 6.

For 6 speakers you'd need 2 amps, at which point it would make sense to have 8 speakers. However that's making it quite a big shape.

My 6 tile (1x amp, 1 x core, 4 x speakers) amply fills my 5m x 3.5m room, and would go even louder.

Band on the Wall does work with 4 speakers - I can hear voices put to my middle 2 tiles only. I'm sure the impact would be greater with more speakers spread out.

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gordongofer:

By the way,  this video (and the app in it) is way out of date. 

Why ‘out of date’?
The app used there for the setup is the current Bang & Olufsen app.
The video can be found in the User Guide for the BS Shape on the B&O website.

gordongofer:

Do you have a link to this information? Dealer unaware.

The impression of a ‘band on the wall’ definitely needs at least 4 speaker (one amp) to work.

This was clearly communicated at the launch of the BS Shape.

The more speakers, the better the processing for the ‘band on the wall’ effect.

In this case your setup is ‘only’ a Core with two speakers.

You might be able to let it show up as a Shape in the app.

But it will never give you the desired impression of a ‘band on the wall’.....unless you sit directly in the sweet spot between the two speakers.

Why your dealer is unaware of this, I don’t know!

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Millemissen:
The impression of a ‘band on the wall’ definitely needs at least 4 speaker (one amp) to work.

Here is the definitive configuration for the "trio on the wall" effect Idea:

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Duels replied on Tue, May 1 2018 8:59 AM
CB:

Here is the definitive configuration for the "trio on the wall" effect :

Big Smile
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For those, who need some background infos on the Shape, the Core and the Band on the Wall.

https://youtu.be/DTGN129Mw_E

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benjnz replied on Wed, May 2 2018 7:16 AM

I quite like the designer, depending on your mood you can get rude words out of it! Laughing

 

CB:

Millemissen:
The impression of a ‘band on the wall’ definitely needs at least 4 speaker (one amp) to work.

Here is the definitive configuration for the "trio on the wall" effect Idea:

 

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Duels:

CB:

Here is the definitive configuration for the "trio on the wall" effect :

Nice one

Fuels & I appreciate the humour LaughingLaughing

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So....who will present the ‘most fancy’ Shape design  Laughing

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elephant replied on Sat, May 5 2018 11:25 AM
Millemissen:

So....who will present the ‘most fancy’ Shape design

MM

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(*) (*) ?

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CB replied on Sat, May 5 2018 12:30 PM
Millemissen:
So....who will present the ‘most fancy’ Shape design

No, no and NO!

I will NOT draw the “philharmonic on the wall” !!! Devil
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CB replied on Sat, May 5 2018 8:17 PM
elephant:
Fuels & I appreciate the humour

I can easily imagine [spell_checker/on] “Fuels” [spell_checker/off] is your [French_President/on] “delicious” [French_President/off] wife Sue

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elephant replied on Sun, May 6 2018 12:35 PM
CB:

I can easily imagine [spell_checker/on] “Fuels” [spell_checker/off] is your [French_President/on] “delicious” [French_President/off] wife Sue

Well spotted !

I just tend to go *BANG* and hit “Post”

And yes, I for one understood Macron’s intent (“delightful”) and was pleased to here the French word does have have a double meaning :)

And I will tell Sue she is delicious :))

We just watched a program on champagne ... so that SY be our next destination rather than ...

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elephant replied on Sun, May 6 2018 12:36 PM
CB:

I can easily imagine [spell_checker/on] “Fuels” [spell_checker/off] is your [French_President/on] “delicious” [French_President/off] wife Sue

And it was Duels ... not Sue !

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Duels replied on Sun, May 6 2018 12:47 PM
elephant:

And it was Duels ... not Sue ! BeoNut since '75

Easy to confuse us.
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elephant replied on Sun, May 6 2018 12:53 PM
Duels:

Easy to confuse us.

Laughing

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Can I replace the Core with another device? eg Airport Express



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CasperI replied on Thu, Jan 10 2019 5:57 PM

Yes you can. But you will need the Core for the initial setup, as it transfers the design ID to the amplifier.

Afterwords you can replace it with any source that got a optical output. Tried it myself with a Sonos Connect hidden behind a tile and works perfect 👌🏼 

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SteveCuz replied on Wed, Sep 25 2019 7:16 PM

Having issues getting the Shape setup correctly. Local B&O guys have been out 3 times now and they're coming back Friday. Seem to be hitting a wall. My shape design won't load (unknown error - how useful) and they've tried swapping out the core and the amps now too. I've 2 amps and 6 speakers. Also seems to be an issues driving the speakers correctly connected to the 2nd amp (very faint and get a crack when you connect or sometime when you change tracks).

They seem to be at a loss but are going to try and swap cables etc.

Anyone been through this or can give an tips at all?

Here are the recurring items in the log file

Soundwall: Failed to update firmware

Soundwall: Enter error stat, SlaveUpgradeFailed

If you go into setup you get:

Status: Error

Number of amplifiers: 2

Design ID: N/A

Name: N/A

Error Message: SlaveUpgradeFailed

A2B Message: ready

If I try and load design I enter the Design ID then it finds it and show me the correct image and says does our picture match your shape design? I click Yes then it spins and says Unknown error

Any help would be massively appreciated!

Thanks

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https://youtu.be/2-7hBZXn1Bw

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CasperI replied on Wed, Sep 25 2019 9:15 PM

Try to go to the configuration tool and build your Shape design once again.

You will now get a different design ID for the same design. Try the new design ID.

This sometimes solve the problem with the “Unknown error”.

 

BTW: When making a factory reset of the Core it will only reset the 1. amplifier.

So to reset amp 2 you will have to connect it directly to the Core and make a factory reset once again.


Hope some of this can help you Smile

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SteveCuz replied on Thu, Sep 26 2019 10:37 AM

Brilliant, thanks for the Video Link and the tip re reset.

In the throws of things and swapping out components I think something has been missed and would like as much info to give to the installer tomorrow.

I think the issue came from the fact that the initial setup was an ex demo system with one amp and 4 speakers and then a brand new amp and 2 further speakers have been added but the system can't set itself properly. Maybe it wasn't fully reset.

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Alsfeld replied on Sun, Jan 5 2020 6:35 PM

I use my Beosound Shape in two use-cases (1) to listen to music via build-in Beosound Core and (2) as rear-speakers in my Dolby Surround setup. The amplifier is directly connected to the Beovision via Powerlink.

My Problem, since a few days the rear-speaker use-case does not work anymore properly. When I restart the Beosound Shape (switching on/off the main power-supply) and running Beovision the Beosound Shape / amplifier plays Dolby Surround sound for only a few minutes. Then the Beosound Shape speaker stops playing. Turning on/standby the Beosound Core via App does not help. Only switching on/off the main power-supply helps, but only for a view minutes, again.

Any ideas / help to get it working again?
How can I reset the Beosound Shape amplifier?
Has there been a software update of the Beosound Core lately?

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tigerisak replied on Fri, Jan 24 2020 4:53 PM

Can you use the Shape as rear stereo-speakers?

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Can you enter "stereo mode" within the app? Or is it just the remote?

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