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Beovox S45-2 appraisal

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chartz
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chartz replied on Tue, Nov 19 2013 8:22 PM

Sad news...

The cotton-wool inside literally caught fire: the wires are mostly burnt, as is the medium speaker can, melt and pierced. The resistors must have gone red at least. They are now pieces of carbon. There is carbon dust inside the cabinets too.

This is it. I give up. Back to the seller's place (which he accepted)..

Jacques

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Andrew replied on Tue, Nov 19 2013 9:07 PM

Hi Chatz

Have a look through this thread; http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/6294/60855.aspx#60855

The s45-2 model came with three tweeters, AD162 Philips mylar come clear (similar to the AD160), AD162 Philips Mylar Dome Shiny black and AD163 Philips Soft Fabric Dome which is a matt black colour.

I found the AD162 Mylar domes to be a little more engaging than the soft fabric dome and closer to the AD160 used in the original S45.

Drew

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chartz replied on Tue, Nov 19 2013 9:32 PM

Thanks for the input, but I'm done with those awful speakers, which caught fire inside. Bad design, this shouldn't be anywhere near possible, this. Angry

The second speaker I opened after the pictures is even worse, even the filter chipboard support is burnt !

Jacques

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Andrew replied on Tue, Nov 19 2013 11:54 PM

Geepers just saw the pics, someone must have flogged the poor things to death. I wouldn't even want to think about the potential damage to the rest of the drivers from that abuse.
Drew 

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chartz replied on Wed, Nov 20 2013 6:17 AM

Andrew:

Geepers just saw the pics, someone must have flogged the poor things to death. I wouldn't even want to think about the potential damage to the rest of the drivers from that abuse.
Drew 

Hence my giving up the project. I guess nobody will encourage me here!

 

Jacques

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Andrew replied on Wed, Nov 20 2013 9:27 AM

Time to find a new set, I think that set is beyond help, worth it for parts perhaps!

I shall encourage you to find another pair!

Drew

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Orava replied on Wed, Nov 20 2013 10:55 AM

chartz:

Andrew:

Geepers just saw the pics, someone must have flogged the poor things to death. I wouldn't even want to think about the potential damage to the rest of the drivers from that abuse.
Drew 

Hence my giving up the project. I guess nobody will encourage me here!

 

Nothing (well allmost nothing) is beyond repair. It's all a question of effort and is it worth of it. Smile

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chartz replied on Wed, Nov 20 2013 6:00 PM

Orava:

Nothing (well allmost nothing) is beyond repair. It's all a question of effort and is it worth of it. Smile

Yes of course, but then the S45-2 are plentiful, so spending money to fix a wrecked pair is nonsense. Mine are in good physical shape, but the fire inside has made such a mess... Then again, it seems stupid that such a problem should arise at all. To me it is a silly engineering mistake, period.

I've never seen that before!  

I'm very disappointed that such a mistake should come from classic B&O!

 

Jacques

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Orava replied on Wed, Nov 20 2013 6:05 PM

Yes, tha is strange, I have never seen a fire inside speaker! And I have seen speaker connected straight to mains.

BTW, how much power did you feed?

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chartz replied on Tue, Nov 26 2013 3:24 PM

The temptation was too strong, I could not resist. I re-built the crossover, installed new Philips original tweeters (which I got for almost nothing) and re-assembled everything. I had to repair the melted filler unit housings with a sheet of plastic.

They work ! They don't have much bass of course, but I find them very, very pleasant to listen to, with the Beomaster 1900-2. Plenty of detail - that Philips dome is nice! - and very gentle mids. 

Here they are after all! They will go to my daughter's flat, along with the 1900-2.

Jacques

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Orava replied on Tue, Nov 26 2013 4:36 PM

Great! Persistence pays Yes - thumbs up

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chartz:
The temptation was too strong, I could not resist.

I knew it, we never give up, another pair saved, good job Jacques. Yes - thumbs up

Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.

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Rich replied on Tue, Nov 26 2013 9:17 PM

chartz:

The temptation was too strong, I could not resist.

Now that's the Jacques I remember!


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Andrew replied on Tue, Nov 26 2013 11:52 PM

Good work Chartz.

Hopefully the woofers haven't been damaged so they continue to deliver good service for a few more years. Nice to see these repaired with some perseverance, the cabinets appear to be in very nice shape on the outside.

Drew

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aymeric replied on Wed, Nov 27 2013 12:39 AM

Mine burned the same way, every speaker was alright except for 1 tweeter. But the tweeters are quite common here.

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chartz replied on Fri, Nov 29 2013 5:03 PM

Appraisal? Certainly!

Those incredible speakers have a tendency to completely disappear. I'm listening to beautiful chamber music, Beethoven's 7th trio, and it just sounds gorgeous! They can re-create the studio (?) atmosphere and they actually disappear!

What's more, they aren't aggressive at all in the mids, very nice! Voices are creamy smooth too.

They are ideal for that sort of music, because there isn't much bass energy.

Fixing them was entirely worth the effort.

Smile

Now, has somebody got lesser speakers for my daughter? Stick out tongue

Jacques

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tournedos replied on Fri, Nov 29 2013 6:12 PM

chartz:
Now, has somebody got lesser speakers for my daughter? Stick out tongue

LaughingLaughingLaughing

This was a good thread.Well done Smile

chartz:
They are ideal for that sort of music, because there isn't much bass energy.

I hate booming bass, be it because of the music or because of the equipment. I guess I'll need to find me a pair of these.

--mika

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Rich replied on Mon, Dec 2 2013 9:25 PM

chartz:

Now, has somebody got lesser speakers for my daughter? Stick out tongue

Yes.  Beovox P30s were rendered redundant after restoring P45s. 

But I don't think shipping to La France is going to be economical.


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