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kai:I don’t think there will be a beosystem 5, for that matter even TVs, I suspect that in the next year or so, they won’t produce TVs, just my opinion
A BeoSystem 5 is not happening for so many reasons it pains me to even try and justify them. Some of the reasons include the fact that B&O has made the picture processing team redundant, B&O has said their relationship with LG is the future of their TV range and B&O has no requirement for a BS5 - the entire reason the BS3/BS4 existed was an engine to power their standalone panels.
Let's face, not very much exciting is happening at all. If anything, B&O is still making cut backs. Most dealers know what's coming out in the next six months (and us customers hear snippets of the forthcoming releases), but we know almost nothing. Maybe a BeoLab 3 replacement? Not heard much else.
It amazes me how certain members on the forum are so against the concept of a BeoSystem 5. B&O has had BeoSystems going back to the AV7000 here in the U.S. I remember how the AV7000 was huge in helping me make my first plunge into the very proprietary world of B&O. I knew that with the AV7000 that I would be able to not only enjoy my B&O speakers for music but also enjoy them as part of my home theater. B&O's trademark is quality sound and integration of control. I am NOT going to pay $15,000 for an Eclipse. With today's fast-paced video technology, I see screens as disposable. However, I don't see B&O speakers as disposable and don't mind spending the high $ for them because I know they will last for well over a decade or more. If B&O does not replace the BeoSystem 4, there will be a huge absence in its product portfolio. A BeoSystem 5 does not need to process video to try to improve it. It just needs to serve as a hub for connecting BeoLabs and devices to the screen/projector as well as having PUC integration for our devices.
When I started venturing into the new NL devices, I found myself having parallel speakers in rooms. For example, I would have BeoPlay A6 and BeoPlay M5 speakers in the same rooms as TVs. Once I bought NL/ML converters, I found I was able to integrate my B&O experience completely with the TVs and the BeoLabs connected to them. Now, I have redundant BeoPlay A6 and M5 units that are collecting dust.
jowus:Thanks Jeff! Most Pp don’t understand how important the System is, all they keep talking about is Video Processing, I used to buy non-B&O Receivers for my BeoLabs and wasting money buying all sorts of cables but when I was able to buy BeoSystem, All my Problems was solved and I was getting better Sound and easy to operate my Systems. To Cut it Short, We have to Push them to make it for us. Look at the Price Point for System 3 But PP were still buying them. What is the Point Of making TV’s with the System if the TV is going to outdated within a Yr or two? Let’s keep the Hope Alive!
So very true! Also, B&O has not always had great success with video processing. The AV7000 created an over-saturation of color. The BeoSystem 1 omitted 720p support and had that dreadful, creepy fast motion effect. The BeoSystem 3 finally seemed to get it right. Nowadays, the screen is quite fine in doing its own video processing. B&O needs to just focus on sound and offering the capability of using its BeoLabs for our TVs. As I see it, the role of the BeoSystem has gotten considerably simpler. I think that B&O would alienate a lot of potential customers if the outrageously-priced BeoVisions were the only option to enjoy B&O speakers with tv screens.
Kudos to those who are willing and able to pay $16,000 for an Eclipse. To me, I see that cost better spent on a third party screen and 2 Rolex watches. I currently have a 65" Samsung screen on the wall in my living room, connected to a BeoSystem 3. To me, the screen is just a screen. It's elegant and does not show the Samsung logo very prominently. I feel that it's just as much a part of my home B&O system as the BeoVision 4 in my den.
Count me in for a BeoSystem5! I totally agree with Beojeff. TVs have a small life cycle (although big technological advancements do not happen so often) and although the design and the material and etc etc are premium I am not willing to spend more than 2-3 k for a TV.
I believe BeoSystem is a core product for B&O. It permits it to integrate projectors and third party screens. Moreover it provides the buyer with great home cinema possibilities, great sound etc etc.
Maybe a Beosystem as we know it (doing the processing of image) will not come out, but what about a Beosystem as a matrix/beosystem/hub hybrid?
A device that will incorporate an Atlona matrix, a beosound core, and a sound processor. In such a product there is no need for a picture processing team or any other team. Picture processing is done via a collaborators hardware. Sound processing though which is a core competence of B&O is kept in house. Finally integration with the rest of B&O systems is achieved which again is a core competitive advantage....
Let's wait and see.... (fingers crossed!)
If B&O - like Roger noticed in a thread here recently - in the future will end the cooperation with LG for their BV’s....
.....and will present the two ‘soundbars’, which he mentioned,
then these certainly will be a combination of a sound processing, speakers/BL’s (including WPL) and HDMI (including PUC) connections and some internal speakers.
I guess we may think of the Sound Center of the Eclipse as an example for what might come.
in that case it certainly could be possible to make a unit without the integrated speakers - call that a BSys5 or something else.
Whether the market for this kind of ‘system-unit’ is big enough however, is a really good question!
For those, who prefer a 3rd party tv/screen these ‘fancy soundbars’ might be usefull - if you can live with the integrated speakers.
N.B. If what Roger described is true/will be the reality - it will be the way for everyone anyway, if they want a ‘B&O-integrated-tv-solution’
This is not a question of a name for a certain unit - it is a question about which possibilities we will be offered from B&O.
Some will want/will be able to use these, other won’t (and hopefully new costumers will arrive also).
Disclaimer! These are only my personal thoughts/speculations - I have no inside information whatsoever.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
beojeff:It amazes me how certain members on the forum are so against the concept of a BeoSystem 5. B&O has had BeoSystems going back to the AV7000 here in the U.S. I remember how the AV7000 was huge in helping me make my first plunge into the very proprietary world of B&O. I knew that with the AV7000 that I would be able to not only enjoy my B&O speakers for music but also enjoy them as part of my home theater. B&O's trademark is quality sound and integration of control. I am NOT going to pay $15,000 for an Eclipse. With today's fast-paced video technology, I see screens as disposable. However, I don't see B&O speakers as disposable and don't mind spending the high $ for them because I know they will last for well over a decade or more. If B&O does not replace the BeoSystem 4, there will be a huge absence in its product portfolio. A BeoSystem 5 does not need to process video to try to improve it. It just needs to serve as a hub for connecting BeoLabs and devices to the screen/projector as well as having PUC integration for our devices. When I started venturing into the new NL devices, I found myself having parallel speakers in rooms. For example, I would have BeoPlay A6 and BeoPlay M5 speakers in the same rooms as TVs. Once I bought NL/ML converters, I found I was able to integrate my B&O experience completely with the TVs and the BeoLabs connected to them. Now, I have redundant BeoPlay A6 and M5 units that are collecting dust.
Aussie Michael: beojeff: It amazes me how certain members on the forum are so against the concept of a BeoSystem 5. B&O has had BeoSystems going back to the AV7000 here in the U.S. I remember how the AV7000 was huge in helping me make my first plunge into the very proprietary world of B&O. I knew that with the AV7000 that I would be able to not only enjoy my B&O speakers for music but also enjoy them as part of my home theater. B&O's trademark is quality sound and integration of control. I am NOT going to pay $15,000 for an Eclipse. With today's fast-paced video technology, I see screens as disposable. However, I don't see B&O speakers as disposable and don't mind spending the high $ for them because I know they will last for well over a decade or more. If B&O does not replace the BeoSystem 4, there will be a huge absence in its product portfolio. A BeoSystem 5 does not need to process video to try to improve it. It just needs to serve as a hub for connecting BeoLabs and devices to the screen/projector as well as having PUC integration for our devices. When I started venturing into the new NL devices, I found myself having parallel speakers in rooms. For example, I would have BeoPlay A6 and BeoPlay M5 speakers in the same rooms as TVs. Once I bought NL/ML converters, I found I was able to integrate my B&O experience completely with the TVs and the BeoLabs connected to them. Now, I have redundant BeoPlay A6 and M5 units that are collecting dust. I like the sound of a BSys5. But if it is audio only doesn’t the core do or potentially capable of this ? Hi Jeff.
beojeff: It amazes me how certain members on the forum are so against the concept of a BeoSystem 5. B&O has had BeoSystems going back to the AV7000 here in the U.S. I remember how the AV7000 was huge in helping me make my first plunge into the very proprietary world of B&O. I knew that with the AV7000 that I would be able to not only enjoy my B&O speakers for music but also enjoy them as part of my home theater. B&O's trademark is quality sound and integration of control. I am NOT going to pay $15,000 for an Eclipse. With today's fast-paced video technology, I see screens as disposable. However, I don't see B&O speakers as disposable and don't mind spending the high $ for them because I know they will last for well over a decade or more. If B&O does not replace the BeoSystem 4, there will be a huge absence in its product portfolio. A BeoSystem 5 does not need to process video to try to improve it. It just needs to serve as a hub for connecting BeoLabs and devices to the screen/projector as well as having PUC integration for our devices. When I started venturing into the new NL devices, I found myself having parallel speakers in rooms. For example, I would have BeoPlay A6 and BeoPlay M5 speakers in the same rooms as TVs. Once I bought NL/ML converters, I found I was able to integrate my B&O experience completely with the TVs and the BeoLabs connected to them. Now, I have redundant BeoPlay A6 and M5 units that are collecting dust.
I like the sound of a BSys5. But if it is audio only doesn’t the core do or potentially capable of this ?
Hi Jeff.
A BeoSystem serves more functionality than just a Core. It serves as the connection hub for at least 7 speakers plus 1-2 subwoofers, several HDMI inputs, and PUC control and emitter connections for the screen, blu-ray player, set top box, Apple TV / Roku, and video came console. Also, it would have an HDMI output to the screen. Also, it would need to process the audio for surround sound. For someone with a home theater setup such as myself, it's essential to have such a connection hub separate from the screen. Something that can be hidden away in a cabinet or control closet. I can't even imagine the cable management mess of having all of those cables running through the wall for a wall-mounted screen.
I see there being two types of video setups: the type that is all-in-one, a smaller screen, limited or no external speakers, and probably on a floor stand and then there is the home theater with surround sound and possibly a projector. The BeoSystem is perhaps more for the home theater. It's my understanding that the home theater is far more common in the U.S. I know many friends and acquaintances who have dedicated home theaters in their homes. Of course, we find this common among the wealthier demographic with larger homes to accommodate such home theaters. Often in the U.S. we might hear this called a "man-cave." Perhaps even a "she-shed" so as not to be sexist. It had been my understanding from talking to dealers that such installations account for a large part of their revenues.
Does anyone else remember the interactive home theater builder that was on the B&O site several years ago? We would select the center channel speaker, front speakers, rear speakers, etc., and see how the home theater would look.
B&O has come a long way in getting this right with the BeoSystem 4. The BeoSystem just needs to to be updated to accommodate 4K and perhaps even Dolby Atmos.
beojeff: B&O has come a long way in getting this right with the BeoSystem 4. The BeoSystem just needs to to be updated to accommodate 4K and perhaps even Dolby Atmos.
Yes, sure a ‘Beo-Hub’, a Sound Center, a ‘fancy soundbar without speakers’ would be needed for a home theater installation.
This might even include support for Dolby Atmos/DTS-X etc - in fact without it would be a failure.
In a typical home theater setup you have a dumb display, a screen/projector solution and ALL your sources are connected to the ‘Beo-Hub/BeoSystem’.
PUC solutions and BeoRemote controlling might work perfectly.
With a ‘hub’ connected to modern 4K/UHD-whatever SmartTV the situation is different.
Mostly people want to use the built-in sources of the tv - apps and tuners - and avoid further boxes and cabling
How can that be possible, if you want to maintain a fluent beoremote controlling of the entire setup?
Also it is most likely that B&O will focus on a solution, that includes built-in speakers....
....the current Sound Center with the 3.0 speakers constallation is unique.
And speakers/BL’s is first priority for Struer, I suppose.
Will be interesting to see, where B&O is heading - if there will be room for a ‘Beo-hub’ as well as for the rumoured ‘fancy type of soundbars’.
P.S. If anyone missed it, here is the thread where Roger mentioned these possibilities:
https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/26335.aspx?PageIndex=51
Millemissen: beojeff: B&O has come a long way in getting this right with the BeoSystem 4. The BeoSystem just needs to to be updated to accommodate 4K and perhaps even Dolby Atmos. Yes, sure a ‘Beo-Hub’, a Sound Center, a ‘fancy soundbar without speakers’ would be needed for a home theater installation. This might even include support for Dolby Atmos/DTS-X etc - in fact without it would be a failure. In a typical home theater setup you have a dumb display, a screen/projector solution and ALL your sources are connected to the ‘Beo-Hub/BeoSystem’. PUC solutions and BeoRemote controlling might work perfectly. With a ‘hub’ connected to modern 4K/UHD-whatever SmartTV the situation is different. Mostly people want to use the built-in sources of the tv - apps and tuners - and avoid further boxes and cabling How can that be possible, if you want to maintain a fluent beoremote controlling of the entire setup? Also it is most likely that B&O will focus on a solution, that includes built-in speakers.... ....the current Sound Center with the 3.0 speakers constallation is unique. And speakers/BL’s is first priority for Struer, I suppose. Will be interesting to see, where B&O is heading - if there will be room for a ‘Beo-hub’ as well as for the rumoured ‘fancy type of soundbars’. P.S. If anyone missed it, here is the thread where Roger mentioned these possibilities: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/26335.aspx?PageIndex=51 MM
I have never used the apps on my Samsung TV. I find that the Apple TV and/or Roku better satisfies all of those needs for Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. The BeoSystem 1, 2, 3 ,and 4 have not been "fancy type of soundbars." Rather, the whole point is to hide away the connection box and allow all of the many B&O speakers needed for a surround sound experience. We're talking about very different things, MM.
beojeff: [We're talking about very different things, MM.
[We're talking about very different things, MM.
Yes, and the big question is, whether B&O will concentrate on one or more of these ‘things’.
Millemissen:Yes, and the big question is, whether B&O will concentrate on one or more of these ‘things’. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Millemissen:P.S. If anyone missed it, here is the thread where Roger mentioned these possibilities:https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/26335.aspx?PageIndex=51
Roger in above thread on 3rd May Roger:A quick update after the new management team presented their plan for the company. Of the 3 new segments (TV's, BS1/BS2/Speakers and "Play") only the latter made a two digit profit. This is the reason for the change of plans in the other two segments. Last year the dealers were told that the new design approach with LG for the Eclipse made it easier to swap the panels as LG continued to develop the OLED technology, making it possible for B&O to present a BeoVision with fresh screen tech for the years to come. This approach seems to be dropped now. Instead, the current Eclipse and Horizon will continue to run as-is. The breaking news is that, unless the management team is replaced again, these will be the last BeoVision's as we know them: the future may be some fancy type of soundbar, one for the smaller sizes (less expensive) and a motorized one for bigger sizes (65/77/88). But with the current number of U-turns a lot can change before the launch of these in 2019. IMHO, B&O need another Knudsen & Lewis combo to make a new "Break Point" - bring back the Danes in the management of the company! Convince the board that there is a place for B&O in the future of audio and video, and drop the current haunt for the same segment occupied by countless companies such as Bose and others. And drop the idea of B&O being the Louis Vuitton equivalent - a pure luxury material and design company. B&O will continue to update colors etc for the Eclipse - keeping the design fresh. Roger
Roger:A quick update after the new management team presented their plan for the company. Of the 3 new segments (TV's, BS1/BS2/Speakers and "Play") only the latter made a two digit profit. This is the reason for the change of plans in the other two segments. Last year the dealers were told that the new design approach with LG for the Eclipse made it easier to swap the panels as LG continued to develop the OLED technology, making it possible for B&O to present a BeoVision with fresh screen tech for the years to come. This approach seems to be dropped now. Instead, the current Eclipse and Horizon will continue to run as-is. The breaking news is that, unless the management team is replaced again, these will be the last BeoVision's as we know them: the future may be some fancy type of soundbar, one for the smaller sizes (less expensive) and a motorized one for bigger sizes (65/77/88). But with the current number of U-turns a lot can change before the launch of these in 2019. IMHO, B&O need another Knudsen & Lewis combo to make a new "Break Point" - bring back the Danes in the management of the company! Convince the board that there is a place for B&O in the future of audio and video, and drop the current haunt for the same segment occupied by countless companies such as Bose and others. And drop the idea of B&O being the Louis Vuitton equivalent - a pure luxury material and design company. B&O will continue to update colors etc for the Eclipse - keeping the design fresh. Roger
BeoNut since '75
Millemissen:....the current Sound Center with the 3.0 speakers constallation is unique.
The SoundCentre features an integrated 450 watts 3-channel speaker system that outperforms even the most potent soundbar on the market. Its ability to deliver speech-optimised centre channel audio as well as powerful stereo performance – all at once – makes BeoVision Eclipse an exceptionally flexible solution in any audio setup.
SOUNDIntegrated fully active three channel stereo (centre and stereo)1 x 1" tweeter2 x 2.5" fullrange drivers3 x 4" midrange/wooferAmplifiers1 x 50 watts for centre tweeter2 x 50 watts for fullrange driver3 x 100 watts for midrange/wooferIntegrated 7.1 surround sound moduleAdaptive Bass LinearisationSound modes and Speaker groupsTrueImage up and downmixingImmaculate Wireless Sound integrated for a full wireless surround solution with connection of up to 8 speakersMultiroom technology is integrated AUDIO STREAMINGApple AirPlayBluetoothDLNAChromecast built-inQPlay 2.0 (China Speci c) INTEGRATED MUSIC SERVICESSpotify Connect, Deezer and TuneIn internet radio, QQ Music (China specific)
There are of course other really great solutions from other manufactures. For example Yamaha Soundprojector devices:
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio_visual/sound_bar/ysp-5600/index.html
You'll only miss one thing: A Bang & Olufsen remote.
Years ago I've heard one of their first Soundprojectors (YSP-1000) in a store demo and I was more than surprised how great this thing sounded and how it tricked my ears and brain to think that there must be other speakers hidden somewhere to get such a sound.
If you don't want to use a speaker, just have a look at modern AV receivers. You surely get a great package.
I can't quite see why a future B&O hub / Beosystem 5 / whatever name, would have its own speaker in the way that the Eclipse Sound Centre does.
By exiting the TV game, B&O are giving up not just providing the panel, but also the centre speaker (of a surround set up).
Why, then, would they sell a hub with a speaker, when the third party TV panel also has a speaker - that's a confusing proposition to many.
I get that they need a hub so that customers can share their B&O speakers between TV and Music experiences - so i do expect "something".
What i dont see is PUC control - HDMI CEC is much more widely used, and HDMI 2.1 is almost upon us. Samsung's One Connect box (and the LG Wallpaper soundbar) offer much of the basic controls that PUC does. There is enough information in the HDMI CEC handshake now, that i think when people connect peripherals to the One Connect box, it does the setup for you in a plug and play way. If i were them, i'd wait to release a BS5 to ensure full HDMI 2.1 functionality - Atmos via HDME eARC needs it, HDMI 2.0a/b don't do it i believe.
As for remotes - again, something, but in a world moving towards apps and voice, i suspect any remote will be more limited in ambition. It can't offer anything like full control of modern smart TV interfaces. You see this already with the Eclipse using the C7, and would be even more limiting with a c8 equipped Eclipse - LG have added google assistant, and the BR One doesn't do voice, nor the magic cursor point and click thing.
So i'm pretty sure that no BV means we have to return to a setup of >1 remote - i don't see any way to avoid this.
elephant: Millemissen: ....the current Sound Center with the 3.0 speakers constallation is unique. In what way do you mean a 3.0 speaker bar is unique ? This what B&O says under “forceful sound” The SoundCentre features an integrated 450 watts 3-channel speaker system that outperforms even the most potent soundbar on the market. Its ability to deliver speech-optimised centre channel audio as well as powerful stereo performance – all at once – makes BeoVision Eclipse an exceptionally flexible solution in any audio setup.
Millemissen: ....the current Sound Center with the 3.0 speakers constallation is unique.
In what way do you mean a 3.0 speaker bar is unique ?
This what B&O says under “forceful sound”
TWG: There are of course other really great solutions from other manufactures. For example Yamaha Soundprojector devices: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio_visual/sound_bar/ysp-5600/index.html You'll only miss one thing: A Bang & Olufsen remote. Years ago I've heard one of their first Soundprojectors (YSP-1000) in a store demo and I was more than surprised how great this thing sounded and how it tricked my ears and brain to think that there must be other speakers hidden somewhere to get such a sound. If you don't want to use a speaker, just have a look at modern AV receivers. You surely get a great package.
I've always been very impressed with this type of Yamaha sound bar, a unique and creative approach to getting the maximum surround effect with the minimum of components. Don't have the ability or desire to string wires and locate multiple speakers? This solves the problem. When they first showed up I was amazed that no one had thought of it before, it's the same principle as a phased array radar system, beam steering by phase differences in multiple emitters.
I use my B&O only for audio, my AV system is completely separate, even though the TV sits in between my two BL9s. I use a relatively inexpensive Marantz 5.1 AVR, and an Infinity LCR bar, sub, and an older pair of small speakers for surrounds. Works perfectly, simple and effective. I tried an AV7000 years ago but it never lived up to the sound out of my older Fosgate processor. So I split the systems and never looked back.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Sandyb: I can't quite see why a future B&O hub / Beosystem 5 / whatever name, would have its own speaker in the way that the Eclipse Sound Centre does.
Certainly for any videorelated listening you will need the center channel - first thing to do on a non-B&O tv is to turn off the internal speaker!!!
(....that is what was done with the LG-tv of the Eclipse)
Besides the 3 channels in a B&O soundbar (assuming they are using the expertice from the Sound Center and from the Avant) are not three seperate speakers. How these work together is organized by the Sound Engine in the system using the B&O TrueImage algorithm.
I suppose that they will give us the opportunity of adding more speakers to make a multi channel setup. All these speakers must be matched.
How would you integrate a midiocre tv-speaker there?
Many newer soundbars have a dedicated center channel built-in too - it is just that I think that B&O can do better.
I won’t say, that they should not make a ‘BeoHub’ (without any speakers) and only an integrated soundbar.
If possible, please do both!
Although, I tend to think that they will do the ‘BeoHub/speakers combination’.......simply because that is what the avarage B&O costumer wants,
when he thinks of upgrading the sound of his non-B&O tv.
But - as you know - this is only speculating.
We’d rather be patient and wait for what will come.
Some will dig that, others won’t!
Jeff: I've always been very impressed with this type of Yamaha sound bar, a unique and creative approach to getting the maximum surround effect with the minimum of components. Don't have the ability or desire to string wires and locate multiple speakers? This solves the problem. When they first showed up I was amazed that no one had thought of it before, it's the same principle as a phased array radar system, beam steering by phase differences in multiple emitters.
There is a lot of this stuff coming - see ‘Atmos soundbars’ and more.
Here are three examples/three offerings for people, who prioritize sound as much as picture and don’t want a fully fletched setup.
https://futureworlds.com/soton_audio_labs/
https://www.yarra3dx.com/
https://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/pr/2017/20170103_MPEGH_Soundbar.html
My question is - can B&O do better?
Why shouldn’t they?
Hmm, not sure.
The Eclipse only had the LG panel, not the C7's speaker - so i don't quite think that parallel works.
Maybe there is no other way, and that the BS5 will come with a speaker (array) - otherwise mixing Beolabs with the third party TV centre may be sub-optimal. That said, the Loewe Bild owners seem to have no great issue with the Almando bridge / BeoLabs combination.
There are all sorts of trade offs though now - whatever choice B&O make for a hub (speaker included or speaker free), it doesnt give us completely free choice of a third party TV.
The wallpaper TV's come with a separate unit / connections box / speaker - and the panel cant just be used independently, bypassing the OEM connections box. Not obvious how these can be integrated neatly. A wallpaper TV plus its own box / speaker plus BS5/centre channel starts to get a bit messy to me.
Less of an issue with the other panels were the speaker / connections are not separated - but with the Wallpaper versions, i see more difficulties.
Millemissen: My question is - can B&O do better? Why shouldn’t they? MM
I think the question is, can Tymphany do better.
Jeff: I think the question is, can Tymphany do better.
Tymphany is the manufacturer (in the Czech Republic), not the maker.
There are still quite a few people working in Struer/DK.
Did a little research. Tymphany is a Hong Kong company with design in the US, and mfg in Czech, Wales, and China. The sales agreement of the Czech plant from B&O to Tymphany in 2017 required that current B&O work in that plant stay there ( but how much of that was there, really?). Tymphany own the old Peerless for many years and they are in the OEM business. So if B&O are designing elements with Tymphany, they are doing it in California for a Chinese concern.
There was an earlier comment about B&W and the Zeppelin. The Zeppelin came out before the BeoSound 8, was incredibly ugly (IMHO) but is still being sold with up to date tech. BeoSound 8 disappeared after the A8 and B&O has had many beosounds and beoplays since. BeoPlay is more like a Pizza Store that has one product but many toppings. And B&Ws ANR headphone is a top-shelf item.
B&O decided to focus on the market at the expense of the product while private B&W just rolls along. And after reading about the H3i, did I notice that it includes those horrible foam pads on the earpiece? I never had a problem with earset fit, but I know some who couldn't wear them.
Sandyb: What i dont see is PUC control - HDMI CEC is much more widely used, and HDMI 2.1 is almost upon us. Samsung's One Connect box (and the LG Wallpaper soundbar) offer much of the basic controls that PUC does. There is enough information in the HDMI CEC handshake now, that i think when people connect peripherals to the One Connect box, it does the setup for you in a plug and play way. If i were them, i'd wait to release a BS5 to ensure full HDMI 2.1 functionality - Atmos via HDME eARC needs it, HDMI 2.0a/b don't do it i believe. As for remotes - again, something, but in a world moving towards apps and voice, i suspect any remote will be more limited in ambition. It can't offer anything like full control of modern smart TV interfaces. You see this already with the Eclipse using the C7, and would be even more limiting with a c8 equipped Eclipse - LG have added google assistant, and the BR One doesn't do voice, nor the magic cursor point and click thing. So i'm pretty sure that no BV means we have to return to a setup of >1 remote - i don't see any way to avoid this.
As a Eclipse owner now, and a LG OLED owner before, I must say a disagree fully on these observations.
For one CEC sucks, and have always done that, and I for one do not have any hope for CEC with HDMI 2.1.
PUC just works,
And for the remote part, the Beoremote is way better then the Magic remote. First of all the magic cursor is the dummest idea ever(IMO)
And if I take one example, if I want to change picture settings, like from dark to light settings. On a LG, I have to press setting, Point to picture setting, and press arrow, until the right comes up, all with delay. With the Beoremote, I can do it just with the screen on the remote, no delay, and done 10x faster.
After using the Beoremote, I hope I never have to settle for less again.
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We shall see, and to the extent that you have described how the BeoRemote is excellent, of course i agree.
It all comes down to how ambitious you think B&O are with a BS5 / hub.
Everything about the company recently suggests they are scaling back their ambitions - and all they need now is a bridge between a 3rd party TV and B&O speakers. The Almando multi-play box achieves that - i'd look more at (an expanded version of ) that type of thing as a guide to what a future Beo-Hub will likely be.
I've made my point about not expecting another BR One many times - again, i hope i'm wrong. But the current BR One, however lovely it is, risks being a bit disjointed from the 3rd party TV UI. And for that reasons, i suspect the hub remote will be more like those that come with AR receivers. They simply wont be able to make a single BR One that can do, for example, all the picture settings of a TV by either LG, Loewe, Panasonic, Samsung, Sony.
So its not a question of will or desire on my part, just a logical projection of their seeming withdrawal from the TV business.
A post BV world will more than likely mean the end of one remote.
Millemissen: Jeff: I think the question is, can Tymphany do better. Tymphany is the manufacturer (in the Czech Republic), not the maker. There are still quite a few people working in Struer/DK. MM
Keep shoveling MM, there's got to be a pony in there somewhere!
@jeff
I invite you to join me to the Annual Meeting (of B&O) this fall...in Struer.
Then you will get the chance to ride that pony - ye-haaaa!
Millemissen: @jeff I invite you to join me to the Annual Meeting (of B&O) this fall...in Struer. Then you will get the chance to ride that pony - ye-haaaa! MM
Possible reasons to hold Annual Meeting in Struer:
1. Opportunity to manage illusion by renting locals, per Northern Korea, to pose as workers for photo opportunities?
2. The remaining employees have never been to China to see a manufacturing site?
3. Because 90% of the remaining dealers can easily drive to Struer?
4. Because there is meeting space available and Owners will be around to host Estate Agents afterward?
5. Meals will feature a wide array of local sheep recipes?
poodleboy: Millemissen: @jeff I invite you to join me to the Annual Meeting (of B&O) this fall...in Struer. Then you will get the chance to ride that pony - ye-haaaa! MM Possible reasons to hold Annual Meeting in Struer: 1. Opportunity to manage illusion by renting locals, per Northern Korea, to pose as workers for photo opportunities? 2. The remaining employees have never been to China to see a manufacturing site? 3. Because 90% of the remaining dealers can easily drive to Struer? 4. Because there is meeting space available and Owners will be around to host Estate Agents afterward? 5. Meals will feature a wide array of local sheep recipes?
6. Plenty of parking available for attendees in the now vacant employee parking lot.
7. Door prize of a Moment system might well scare some attendees off though.
beojeff: It amazes me how certain members on the forum are so against the concept of a BeoSystem 5.
It amazes me how certain members on the forum are so against the concept of a BeoSystem 5.
It amazes me that people on here even vaguely hold out any hope that B&O is working on such a device. It's simply not going to happen. At all. Sadly this board is left with a few wisful-thinking pipe-dreaming people who hold out for products they'd love to see, not will realistically happen.
I was a developer in the last days of the Amiga. In 1997 the market was still relatively strong, depite no company producing a new Amiga, no new development, nothing. But, forums were left with users who were dreaming of huge new innovative products and listing all the new technologies and reasons why it was going to happen. By 1999 even the wishful thinking people had moved on. We'll be there in a year or so from now.
The entire reason that a BeoSystem 5 will NEVER happen is that B&O has a) limited resources, b) sacked most of the development staff, c) has publicly committed to working with LG and d) has even said that LG is now responsible for picture processing. B&O would focus on the audio. And they are not producing a BeoSystem 5 (as an audio-only product).
I dont need video processing. My hope for a future Beosystem 5 (or beohub if you want) is a surround processor with hdmi switching and a good PUC solution.
Thomas
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And this is exactly what so many have been banging on for for so long, while others (names wirhheld) clung on to the fantasy that B&O were still viable TV manufacturers or else twisting the words to pretend they were asking for a BS5!
Ban boring signatures!
Jeff: 6. Plenty of parking available for attendees in the now vacant employee parking lot. 7. Door prize of a Moment system might well scare some attendees off though.
Yes, by the time when the meeting is held - I can even arrange a lot for your private plane.....just in case.
There are no ‘door prizes’ - please sign up for a Beoworld membership instead.
I’ll get you free access to a visiting tour, though.
Millemissen: Jeff: 6. Plenty of parking available for attendees in the now vacant employee parking lot. 7. Door prize of a Moment system might well scare some attendees off though. Yes, by the time when the meeting is held - I can even arrange a lot for your private plane.....just in case. There are no ‘door prizes’ - please sign up for a Beoworld membership instead. I’ll get you free access to a visiting tour, though. MM
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