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Some resellers and private sellers, at eBay and other sites, offers these two models for sale.Some are ONLY renovated as a MMC 4.
The red "dot" at the back side of the needle tube indicate it's a MMC 4
If you fall across a MMC 1 or MMC 2 with green "dot" it is fitted with a Shibata diamond. Is often chosen instead of a CL
This is actually quite an issue.I have just recently come across one of these "counterfeits", and from (what was until recently) a reputable cartridge reseller/retip'er.I will of course return it.
But it does bring to mind what dear old Anthony Garza in TX once told about.He called it "cartridge rustling", in comparison to "cattle rustling"(the "art" of adding to the already burned marking on other peoples cattle to make the signature mark look like yours),- the latter I suppose being far more common in his neck of the woods than the former.
Anyway, the thing was, that a certain cartridge seller found that by carefully scraping away some of the white paint, he couldmake the lettering MMC 4 read MMC 1.
The color on the "neck" of the cantilever (as shown nicely in the photo above) will tell the truth.And of course, MMC1 and MMC2 should have a glass-like cantilever. Not a metal (aluminium) one like the one in the above photo.
Worth keeping an eye out for these counterfeits.
Martin
having followed this topic with interest, could someone point me in the right direction for a refurbed mmc2 thats genuine please for my beogram 6500. im based in uk but happy to purchase from a reputable overseas supplier.
many thanks.
If any of my MMC1 or MMC2 cartridges ever go bad I would most likely buy a brand new SMMC 2 from Soundsmith in New York. They are reputable. In the case of a still good MMC1 or MMC2 that needed a suspension repair only I would use Soundsmith in New York or Benny Amina in Georgia.If you absolutely have to have an original B&O MMC2 then I would watch on Ebay. Insist on detailed photos of the cartridge so you can make sure it is genuine. The fakes are pretty easy to spot as described in this thread. Just be aware that it is very common in the B&O MMC line for the suspensions to need repair at this point of their life. That is why it is safest and easiest to just buy a new SMMC 2 from Soundsmith.
-sonavor
hello sonavor - many thanks for taking the time to respond and help - its much appreciated and i will indeed go to soundsmith to get the required cartridge and take my old ones to him for refurb.
thanks once again.
many thanks sonavor for your reply - i will go to soundsmith in new york as ill be visiting New York next year. many thansk for your recommendation and help - its much appreciated.
Seems they have UK distributor as well...
Ah, Georgia in US, not Georgia in Caucasus
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Orava: Ah, Georgia in US, not Georgia in Caucasus
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Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Hi Bikersupermoto.
I offer B&O MMC repair, all models.
Regards
Pick-up Service
Hello angain bikersupermoto .
Your MMC 2 can be repaired for only US $ 299,-
The price of a SMMC 2 is US $ 799.95
Denmark
Dillen: And the point is not to flame a specific reseller or retipper. The reseller who sold me the "fake", is one I havebought dozens of cartridges from previously, so it came as a bit of a surprise when he suddenly turned wrong. I don't think he is the actual retipper - and that's not important, but it seems he deliberately started havingall cartridges retip'ed as 4s and then sell them priced according to the number on the nose.
I hope this is not http://www.tonabnehmerservice.com/, because I am about to send my mmc cartriges to be rebuilt and or repaired. Or should I go to Audio Origin?
Beosound 5 Encore + Beosystem 5500 + S45.2; BV7-40 MKV + BL7.1 + BL14.4+ AppleTV4; various link rooms with MCL2 A or MCL2 A/V + RL60.2 / CX100 / CX50 & Cona / IWS2000; BG4000; Beosystem 1200 + BV1600.
There is something I'm not sure to understand in their pricing:
As I get it, for an MMC20 If restoration is possible it will be :
https://www.tonabnehmerservice.de/en/home/was mentioned recently in a german audio magazine, so I would suggest to look there for B&O cartridges (repair and refurbishment).
Does anyone have any idea what is happening right now at Tonabnehmerservice?
I sent Franz-Josef 3 cartridges for rebuild and he has gone completely silent on me!!!
No response to 2 emails.
I am now fearful that I have lost these cartridges??
I am really sad to report such poor service.
Any ideas?
I sent him an email this week with an inquiry and got a response within a day. Perhaps call the number listed on the site?
I may be wrong but I believe most of those guys are doing this job as a side activity and not a full time or main job.
That leads to inconsistent delays sometimes because of family duties, life issues, main job obligations etc, making the communications complicated.
I did send 5 cart to refurbish to trusted guy and still had lot of issues for a lot of different reasons. In the end I did get my cartridge back refurbished as new, but I did get through a lot of worries once I paid and the guy went in the blind for weeks.
I ended up thinking that time does not run as fast for us, waiting to listen our record, than for them who live in an infinite small world of tiny tubes and well shaped stones.
If I had to do it again I certainly would choose Soundsmith even though the various warnings and disclaimers on their website tends to scares and prevent me to order.
Regardless, all I am asking is for conformation that he has received the cartriges so i can relax and not rely on the post insurance. To not respond to that is not acceptable? Just say "yep, got them." How difficult is that? FJ, if you are reading this you need to up your game?
matador43:The suspension being dead by now it will be 299€ more?
My question was actually about this, but suspension is in the price. So rebuilt MMC4 to original
specs is 160€ net and upgrade to MMC2 specs is 312€. Additional 50€ if one or two channels do not work.
I too had quick email responses from him, right up until posting the cartridges!!! Then it changed. 'Having already found myself the victim to out and out liars and theives (StuderSweden) in the vintage Hifi game 2 years ago I am now extremely worried that it has happened again? This is exactly the initial events of what happened previously!
i am very close to making a Police report!
I have had reasonable turn round times. About 6 weeks usually. Also replies to questions has been acceptable although sometimes he needs a reminder. Did have a repaired cartridge take three months in the post during COVID times. Post is now improved (to USA). Approx two weeks total shipment time.
No problem with quality on an MMC4/5.
Well it must be me then as I am finding dealing with this guy is a joke!