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1) Is the wisa transmitter implemented in the moment indeed 5.1 or even 7.1? It says 8 channels on the web-site, but no clue what this means.
It says up to 8 SPEAKERS, but it is only a stereo device + sub
2) Can i connect a non-b&o TV to the line-in and use it as wisa transmitter for 5.1 audio? Any issues with delay.
There is no mean to cancel the line-in delay like in other B&O products, so you'll have a lip-sound delay for sure, including the small one introduced by the Wisa. I tried and gave up, I use the Core for that instead.
4) Any idea how to get airplay 2 to the moment? Somehow to pair with a Core? Or with an AE connected to line-in (with bridge if i go with a non-b&o as well)?
By leveraging B&O multiroom, i.e. send AP2 to a Core, or another B&O AP2 compatible product, and join the Moment to it.
.... hope the brick will get a better mood one day!
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
mbolo01:Any update from your side? 4 months now since I discovered the issue on my Moment and our premium device is no longer delivering the service we paid for ... shall we group together as unsatisfied customers and officially write to B&O? BS Moment, BS Core, BS Ouverture, BG 4002, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass
BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black
V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white
BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver
Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway
I know…B&O virus has grown on me !
Fansastic:What is your guess?
The Gracenote issue is also impacting Deezer as the inner ring combines DLNA as well as Deezer favorite tracks for which Moods are fetched from Gracenote. Middle and outer rings are using another logic to process Moods.
If B&O have terminated their Gracenote contract, then they would have to source the moods elsewhere and re-code accordingly .... if we don't push, I doubt B&O will really spend a € on an end of life product, unfortunately. But is is a shame that a 2k € product stops providing part of the service we acquired it for.
mbolo01:The Gracenote issue is also impacting Deezer as the inner ring combines DLNA as well as Deezer favorite tracks for which Moods are fetched from Gracenote. Middle and outer rings are using another logic to process Moods. If B&O have terminated their Gracenote contract, then they would have to source the moods elsewhere and re-code accordingly .... if we don't push, I doubt B&O will really spend a € on an end of life product, unfortunately. But is is a shame that a 2k € product stops providing part of the service we acquired it for. BS Moment, BS Core, BS Ouverture, BG 4002, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
It’s a real pity that the line-in delay cannot get cancelled. This makes it useless for my purpose.
Yep, at some point it was on agenda to add the line-in delay cancellation, but voilà .....
8 wisa speakers means 4 stereo pairs? these would all run in sync and can i switch which one if active. in some nice easy way or going through the settings?
They will all run in sync but you cannot switch them on/off individually without going through the configuration steps, I have the same constraint with the TR1, all active or none.
Can you elaborate how you use the Core with your moment? Just stand-alone or can you use the same moment that is doing other tasks? i have a moment connected to a non-b&o tv and have beolabs connected to it. Could it assume this task?
Assuming Core and Moment are on the same local area network, both configured for B&O multiroom (Beolink) and Core configured to share AP2 over multiroom, then you could send AP2 flow to the Core and join the Moment to it either via the app or via the JukeBox.
Lastly, i still have an ml/nl, which is another brick (and not a beautiful one). Would this be any help for me? For example to connect my BV5/7 with the moment (and use wisa speakers)?
I have no knowledge on B&O TV and ML products, I'm sorry.
steve1977:Re Core / Moment - may i understand a bit your use case? Do you have beolabs connected to the core and/or the moment? Physically or via wisa? You use the line-in? When you use the moment as an “audio-player”, do you have some other NL devices that can join in? Assume this would need to be through the b&o app?
My setup:
Core and Moment are wired to a Transmitter 1 (TR1)TR1 is WISA connected to BL 18s, BL 19 and BL 8000s via Receivers 1, stereo mode.Optical line-in of my Core is connected to my Samsung TV.Core is controlled via an Essence remote.Moment is controlled via a its Jukebox or a Beo4B&O App controls all products
When I use the Moment, to listen to records with my BG 4002 connected to the Moment's line-in or to NL sources, I can join other NL products to it by either touching products start/stop button, or via the app.
I can also use the Core to either stream the sources directly connected it (Samsung TV, Deezer, DLNA, TuneIn) or the Moment Line-In, i.e the BG 4002, as the Core is linked to the Moment so the Moment sources are available to the Core.
If my Core is out of service, the Moment can service all the sources but the TV that I would then switch to internal speakers.
If my Moment is out of service, the Core can service all the sources but the BG 4002. I could then use the Core Line.In and switch the TV to internal speakers as above.
If my TR1 is out of service down, I can use the Moment and its WISA capabilities with the constraints mentioned above.
If both my Moment and my TR1 are out of service, I go outside and drive my drone!
Help me understand why you have the TR1 in the mix? You have both the core as well as the moment hardwired to it? How?
Long story ....
I first acquired the BL 18s / 19 that I connected to my Denon A/V amp via the TR1, but I was only using it for stereo music as I had no 5/7.1 source.I then acquired the Moment and parked the A/V amp as well as the TR1.Then I changed my TV and I considered the Core as a solution to (1) connect the TV (without line-in delay) to my BLs and (2) to be the Moment backup as its software was so unstable that I could not conceive to be without any music at anytime. The TR1 was (is) the way to connect the Core to the BL "wirelessly".I took the opportunity to configure the TR1 as a WISA Switch to allow both the Moment and the Core to use it to send sound to the BLs (I even had an Ouverture connected to the TR1, jointly with the Moment and the Core).Core and Moment are connected to the TR1 via a Cat 7 ethernet cable. Core in port 1 and Moment in port 2 so Core has the priority over the Moment.
You mention restriction and refer to “above”. I just have missed this?
Restriction: If I had to only use the Moment, I would not be able to connect the TV to it as there is no way to cancel the sound delay, so I would have to leverage the TV internal speakers.
Wouldn’t it be easiest to hardwire (PL) beolabs to the moment (or use wisa with the moment)?
I chose BL 18/19 is to avoid wires. If I use Wisa for the Moment (which was the case initially), I cannot use the speakers with the Core.
With the TR1, I can provide WISA connectivity to the speakers to both the Core and the Moment ... and even more
mbolo01: I chose BL 18/19 is to avoid wires. If I use Wisa for the Moment (which was the case initially), I cannot use the speakers with the Core.
steve1977:Got it, thanks. So, that’s the issue. There is no way that i can configure the Core to use beolabs connected to the moment. correct?
Fansastic:Dear members, are more Moment owners currently experiencing problems with the artist covers for their DLNA music collection?
1. create a music file without music content ( not too short because it has to be detected by your DLNA server)
2. edit the tag of this file; set Artist photo as album cover; set the track artist and album artist as the Artist on the photo; name the album "1" or other sign (it must be the last in the album collection of the artist)
3. repeat for all artists
4. rescan your DLNA server
5. Rebuild the database of the Moment; you will see the photo's of the artists instead of album covers
Note: Expert Mode (beta) should be Off; I placed these files in a separate directory "Covers" to be scanned by the DLNA server
examples afterwards
Carolpa:A work-around for artist covers: 1. create a music file without music content ( not too short because it has to be detected by your DLNA server) 2. edit the tag of this file; set Artist photo as album cover; set the track artist and album artist as the Artist on the photo; name the album "1" or other sign (it must be the last in the album collection of the artist) 3. repeat for all artists 4. rescan your DLNA server 5. Rebuild the database of the Moment; you will see the photo's of the artists instead of album covers Note: Expert Mode (beta) should be Off; I placed these files in a separate directory "Covers" to be scanned by the DLNA server
mbolo01:Strictly speaking, yes you are correct, you cannot « integrate » the Core into the Moment, unless we are told differently.
steve1977: Yet another idea. Maybe the other way round? Can i integrate the moment into the core (permanently)? I.e., i’ll attach the beolabs to the core. And whatever i play on the moment will play via the core? I think i tried this unsuccessfully before with an A9, but maybe it works with the core?
Yet another idea. Maybe the other way round? Can i integrate the moment into the core (permanently)? I.e., i’ll attach the beolabs to the core. And whatever i play on the moment will play via the core? I think i tried this unsuccessfully before with an A9, but maybe it works with the core?
I managed to do it at some point but not sure why it is no longer working after a recent repatch. I didn’t spend time to investigate.
What I did:
My Moment was wired to my TR1 in port 1
My core was wired to my TR1 in port 2
My Core is linked to my Moment
At some point I unplugged the Moment from the TR1 for whatever reason and one day I started a LP on my BG connected to the Moment and I was surprised to hear the sound in my speakers via the Core, without acting on the Core previously.
I would give a try, but this is not and « integration » as per B&O definition.
steve1977:Edit: to be precise, i only tried it with an A9 though. So maybe it works better with the core for whatever reason ;)
mbolo01: steve1977:Edit: to be precise, i only tried it with an A9 though. So maybe it works better with the core for whatever reason ;)I tried several combinations between my Moment, my Core and my Moment without success. I really don’t know what made it work for several monthes ....
Then the Moment sources should be visible as linked product in the Core.
Carolpa:Did you try: in Set-up of the Core ; Link to other products; the primairy product set to the Moment?Then the Moment sources should be visible as linked product in the Core.
I just want to clarify what people are experiencing as to make sure my issue is the same.
I've factory reset my Moment.
Twonky Server music displays database artwork correctly internally.
Deezer displays artwork correctly on all menus EXCEPT on the playlist screen.
Is this the Gracenote issue everyone is having or is the one in this thread more serious (no artwork anywhere)?
Is there anyone out there that currently has Deezer artwork (of any kind) actually showing up in the playlist view?
Michael:I just want to clarify what people are experiencing as to make sure my issue is the same
Michael: The Gracenote issue impacts two things, (1) the DLNA artist's image that is displayed in the tiles of Moment's JukeBox Collection screen and (2) the Moment's Moodwheel inner ring.
(1) DLNA artist's image is no longer fetched from Gracenote. Impact: If you are not configured for DLNA Expert mode, then artist's image is replaced by an artist's album cover image, assuming there is one for the selected album (I don't precisely know the album selection logic, but it could be the first in the alphanumeric sort order). If you are running in Expert mode and if you don't have the artist image available in your DLNA server Photos (assuming your DLNA server services Photos on top of Music), then the artist's tile is deseperatly grey ...
(2) Tracks' Mood are no longer fetched from Gracenote. Impact: The Moodwheel inner ring is all about YOUR tracks, your DLNA track as well as your Deezer favorite tracks. During the Moodwheel process, the Moment used to fetch mood from Gracenote for each of your tracks and to place them accordingly in the Moodwheel inner ring. As this process is broken, the inner ring should now be grey and ineffective.
Note: Artist image must not be confused with album artwork (or cover)
That helps.
So in the "currently playing" screen I see album artwork from my DNLA Twonky library.
However, Deezer shows no artwork whatsoever in the "currently playing" screen. Obviously not artist images from Gracenote, but also none from the album artwork which appears on the other jukebox screens.
Wouldn't it simply display album images from Deezer here?
Does anyone else see Deezer album artwork displayed here or is this the new normal?
I should not say it's the new normal but I do get it also on some songs with Deezer.
It makes no sense to worry about this, years ago the Moment was a very nice B&O product that was never well developed.
After being one of the beta testers at that time, I spent an incredible amount of time trying to help them with the product, and I wasn't alone here, different forum members did the same.
I kept this up until I wondered what I was actually doing, buying an expensive product with my own hard earned money and now helping to make it work, am I gone crazy now.
I stepped away from B&O.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Double post
Your not the only one Chris.
mbolo01:I tried several combinations between my Moment, my Core and my Moment without success. I really don’t know what made it work for several monthes .... BS Moment, BS Core, BS Ouverture, BG 4002, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
FYI
I've been using my Moment from the beginning as an "Audio master" without speakers linked to my NL/ML "videoMaster" representing my BeoSystem 3.
It's had no problem maintaing that configuration for several years through multiple rebuilds and factory resets due to other issues.
Fansastic:Reached out to B&O Support fro an update on the Gracenote fix:
mbolo01:Funny I did it too today .... asking them to be transparent if no fix will ever be released. To summarize their answer: Support does not know where the fix stands. BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
Just contacted B&O Support again and unfortunately the fix is NOT on their radar. Agains earlier promises.
If B&O is listening, please do give is an fix for the moodwheel / gracenote issue! It couldn't be that hard?!
So if you own a Moment, please contact B&O support also and let's try to get them to fix the issue.
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I'm chasing regularly too, no good news so far. It's a pity to own a 2k € brick :-(
Is it me or the new update solves the issue with the moodwheel ?
IA64:Is it me or the new update solves the issue with the moodwheel ?