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BV 7-40 picture issue

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Raeuber Posted: Sun, Dec 9 2012 12:25 PM
Hi all,

my BV 7-40 BR Mk 6 shows during the warmup period (about 1 hour) sometimes flickering vertical stripes. This appears with all sources (external HD receiver, internal analogue tuner, Bluray player).

Had anybody recognized this issue, my dealer doesn't know what to do or repair.

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Räuber

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9 LEE replied on Sun, Dec 9 2012 1:04 PM

Sounds like the PIM module, but i could be wrong...  Take a pic of these stripes and post them on this thread - that'll give the tech people on here a better idea.

Has it recently been software updated by any chance?

Lee

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Raeuber replied on Sun, Dec 9 2012 1:44 PM
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Sounds like the PIM module, but i could be wrong... Take a pic of these stripes and post them on this thread - that'll give the tech people on here a better idea.

Has it recently been software updated by any chance?

Lee

Hi Lee,

it's not possible to take a picture of these vertical stripes, because they appears like short flashes. I made a video with my IPad, so my dealer could get an idea of the issue.

The software had been updated once, but the issue couldn't be solved by this update. The stripes could be recognized from the beginning of purchase last year, but the stripes appear more often, so I will not accept this anymore.

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Raeuber replied on Sat, Feb 22 2014 11:18 AM

Hello,

after more than one year I would like to report how the story continued:

In May 2013 the PIM module had been replaced, but without success.

After this a long dispute with my dealer followed, because he had no idea what to do, althogh I provided him with videos of the vertical stripes I made with my camcorder. I required to replace the panel, but the dealer refused this. The real reason for this behaviour was that he discharged his technician because of massive economic problems. With one remaining salesman and one apprentice he was not able to repair anything.

At the end of last year I gave him a last deadline to repair my BV 7, otherwise I would contact a lawyer. Finally he commissioned another company to replace the panel, this happened last week.

Now the problem is solved, no more vertical stripes on the screen during warmup period. But now there is a dark spot in the left bottom of the screen. The technician was also not amused, because it took three hours to replace the panel. So the panel has to be replaced once more because some LED on the left side doesn't work.

I am very disappointed because after more than two years I still have a faulty BV 7. And I can tell you this was my last Beovision, I regret my decision to replace my lovely Avant. I'm not willing to accept refusing repair an obviously faulty product during guarantee and also the bad product quality. It seems that there is no control of quality at B&O anymore, because the original and the replaced panel were faulty. Few years ago the dealer told me that B&O would only use the best and special selected panels from Samsung. This must have been a joke, I assume B&O only use panels which was sorted out by Samsung!

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Räuber

 

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Mark replied on Sat, Feb 22 2014 6:49 PM
Could you not claim the goods sold are unfit for purpose. Also remember the "lemon law", if a manufacture is unable to fix a fault within three attempts during a reasonable period then you are in you right a to demand a replacement.

Good customer service = route to loyal repeat customers; in this climate it always astounds me when people cannot be bothered with this simple equation.

we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.

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Raeuber replied on Sat, Feb 22 2014 7:07 PM
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Could you not claim the goods sold are unfit for purpose. Also remember the "lemon law", if a manufacture is unable to fix a fault within three attempts during a reasonable period then you are in you right a to demand a replacement.

Good customer service = route to loyal repeat customers; in this climate it always astounds me when people cannot be bothered with this simple equation. We tend to forget there is more to design than designing.

As I already mentioned first the PIM module and second the panel had been replaced. So during more than two years only TWO attempts to fix the fault. Only if the third (and last) attempt will not be successful I am in right to demand a replacement.

After purchase BV 7-40 in December 2011 it was not obviously clear that the Beovision is the reason for the fault. Also Technisat receiver or antenna cables could be the reason. It took about two months until I was able to prove that BV 7-40 is the reason (without any support by the dealer). Until then the dealer always suggested that the Beovision isn't faulty because Beovisions are always perfect TVs!

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Räuber
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valve1 replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 7:09 AM

Rauber,that is very poor service from your dealer.

I am worried that the BV7 still has ongoing issues. I wanted to buy a BV7 (and still fancy one) but I was put off with all the issues that kept cropping up on Beoworld. Eventually I decided not to bother and stay with my Avant until it died. It never let me down or died and eventually I sold the house with the Avant . 

Now I need a BV but between your BV7 and Chris,s BV 11, what am I to do ?

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Many people have bought the 11 with no problems at all, although there must be a generic problem for B&O to issue a software update. Like another poster on a different thread mentioned, there is a new tv coming out that might be called the V100. Could be cheaper than the 11 too!

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I don't know the price(s) - but I don't expect it to be cheaper than the BV11!

It starts up with a 55".

According to the 'info' I had, it won't be long untill it arrives - April/May?

MM

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Raeuber replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 9:12 AM
valve1:

Rauber,that is very poor service from your dealer.

I am worried that the BV7 still has ongoing issues. I wanted to buy a BV7 (and still fancy one) but I was put off with all the issues that kept cropping up on Beoworld. Eventually I decided not to bother and stay with my Avant until it died. It never let me down or died and eventually I sold the house with the Avant .

Now I need a BV but between your BV7 and Chris,s BV 11, what am I to do ?

I decided to buy a BV 7 because I hoped this is a mature TV. In 2009 I bought one of the first BV 10 that suffered from clouding and software bugs never solved after several updates, although reported to dealer and Beocare. It doesn't make much sense to buy a new TV, Chris' BV 11 is a good example. I don't want to be a beta-tester, even if service and support of dealers and Beocare are so poor and they doesn't care of dissatisfied customers.
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BeoGreg replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 10:10 AM
Raeuber:

In 2009 I bought one of the first BV 10 that suffered from clouding and software bugs never solved after several updates, although reported to dealer and Beocare.

In early 2010 my dealer made eleven interventions on my bv10-40 after changing the first bv10 I received.

Eleven interventions plus a tv change that´s twelve times at my place for one single tv ! (panel change, mother board change, puc 1 broken, cracking noises with alu plate installed, remote sensor change...).

After that it worked properly and I got used (or fade up with the clouding).

I really wanted to give up and keep my bv10 untill the next reliable big thing but...

None of that happened on my bv11-46 or the bv11-46 of my parents and I'm overall very pleased with it (picture excellent with natural light in the room, far less in a dark room unless you disconnect the light sensor and sound incredible).
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Flappo replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 11:26 AM

Millemissen:

I don't know the price(s) - but I don't expect it to be cheaper than the BV11!

It starts up with a 55".

According to the 'info' I had, it won't be long untill it arrives - April/May?

MM

It starts at 55" !!!?

Good grief , too big for me thx.

If it's anything like the V1 I doubt I'll be missing much with a bv11. The V1 always strikes me as Ikea TV , cheap and nasty.The way it's constructed and feels is quite rankly naff and not what I expect of a bno.

The bv11 on the other hand is the real deal.

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valve1 replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 11:47 AM

BeoGreg:
In early 2010 my dealer made eleven interventions on my bv10-40 after changing the first bv10 I received

Sounds like a great dealer. My (now) nearest was Nimes but I do not see him listed on B 0 France. Who is your dealer ?

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moxxey replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 1:47 PM

Millemissen:

I don't know the price(s) - but I don't expect it to be cheaper than the BV11!

Yes, isn't new TV the "BV7 replacement" we've been discussing for a while? Won't be cheaper than the BV11 if it is!

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moxxey replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 1:49 PM

Raeuber:
Chris' BV 11 is a good example. I don't want to be a beta-tester, even if service and support of dealers and Beocare are so poor and they doesn't care of dissatisfied customers.

I bought a BV7-MKIII, which you would have thought was a mature TV, three revisions in, and had nearly a year of pain with B&O constantly 'beta testing' their software to support Sky HD boxes. Had so many issues!

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Raeuber replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 2:29 PM
moxxey:

I bought a BV7-MKIII, which you would have thought was a mature TV, three revisions in, and had nearly a year of pain with B&O constantly 'beta testing' their software to support Sky HD boxes. Had so many issues!

It's really unbelievable to have nearly a year (or with my MKVI more than two years) so much pain after purchasing a TV for thousands of Euros. But much fun for many friends of mine with their TVs for less than 1000 Euros when I tell my story.
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olvisab replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 4:43 PM
I have a bv 7 40 mk3 just been updated to the last software recently and it works like a charm

Never had any issue before or after update.

Maybe the quality control should be better in order to avoid these problems with some units.

4 beolab 5,  beolab 9, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 6002, beolab 3500, beovision 7 55 mk2,  2 beovision 11 46 mk4, beotime, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beoplay A8, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...

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BeoGreg replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 6:33 PM
valve1:

Sounds like a great dealer. My (now) nearest was Nimes but I do not see him listed on B 0 France. Who is your dealer ?

South east of France, start´s with an M and end´s with an E.
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butch1 replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 7:35 PM

I have a bv-7 mark 6 and have never had a single problem,also had over 13 other beovisions and numerous speakers and sound systems and the only problems I have had were with a beosound 1 ir issue,DVD 1 kaput and a beo com problem.I think I have been lucky.

My bv5 is still giving lovely service after 10 yrs.I only buy tried and tested technology ie beovision CRT in the past and plasma,also I waited for the 6th generation of the bv7 as the early ones were not better than my bv5 hd.At the end of the day when electronics are involved you can still have the odd lemon,it's the same with cars bent lays breakdown like any other brand.

I hope it all works out though as it's a cracking tv with the best overall picture.

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Raeuber replied on Sun, Feb 23 2014 9:16 PM
At the beginning of March the panel of my BV 7 MK6 will be replaced once more and I hope with more luck.

I didn't have any problems with my Avant and MX 4002 for more than ten years, but with BV 7 and BV 10 it's not much fun with Beovisions and service/support by dealer anymore. And I'm sure they will not survive until 2020.

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valve1 replied on Mon, Feb 24 2014 4:59 AM

BeoGreg:
South east of France, start´s with an M and end´s with an E.

Thanks, thats near enough,about 90 minutes. 

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olvisab replied on Mon, Feb 24 2014 10:00 AM
valve1:

Thanks, thats near enough,about 90 minutes.

Hi

You have nearer b&o dealer : avignon and montpellier

I am in the same area. However I prefer one of the Lyon's dealer.

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valve1 replied on Mon, Feb 24 2014 3:23 PM

olvisab:
You have nearer b&o dealer : avignon and montpellier

Thanks for that ovisab. I had a bad experience with the Montpellier dealer.

Is the Avignon dealership new ?  

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moxxey replied on Mon, Feb 24 2014 4:48 PM

Raeuber:
At the beginning of March the panel of my BV 7 MK6 will be replaced once more and I hope with more luck.

Can't they just swap out the TV?!

I've had a couple of BV7's swapped out in the past. My BV7-32 MK1 had an issue (I can't remember the issue) just before Christmas one year, was replaced. My new BV7-40 MK4 had an issue with red lines appearing on the panel, dealer took a look and immediately replaced it within days after clearing the replacement with B&O UK.

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Raeuber replied on Mon, Feb 24 2014 7:51 PM
moxxey:

Can't they just swap out the TV?!

I've had a couple of BV7's swapped out in the past. My BV7-32 MK1 had an issue (I can't remember the issue) just before Christmas one year, was replaced. My new BV7-40 MK4 had an issue with red lines appearing on the panel, dealer took a look and immediately replaced it within days after clearing the replacement with B&O UK.

Hi moxxey,

a customer has to accept three attemps of repair before you can require swap out. So I first have to wait for the third attempt of repair by replacing the panal again. But I hope the next panel will be fine. If not I'm sure I will have to contact a lawyer to enforce my rights. In the last two years it was not much fun with this dealer, many mails, telephone calls and personal visits in the shop without any interest to repair my BV 7. I think his principle to treat customers is: "I have your money, leave me alone and never contact me again in this life!" Of course I will do so after I finally and hopefully have a BV 7 with a fine panel. Sadly this dealer is one of the last dealers in my neighborhood, many dealers had closed in this century or don't deal with B&O anymore. And if you ask me why I am so gently with this dealer after more than two years of trouble: Meanwhile I have pity with this guy always sitting alone with one salesman in his shop and since last year no more technician available. And if you take a look at his financial reports published in internet you can recognize decrease of revenue and increase of loss.

Greets

Räuber
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moxxey replied on Mon, Feb 24 2014 10:05 PM

Raeuber:
a customer has to accept three attemps of repair before you can require swap out. 

But, that's my point, I didn't. Twice I've had B&O TVs swapped out without repair. The BV7-32 and BV7-40 MK4. Both had faults within a couple of years of purchase, both were immediately replaced. No repair, nothing. Definitely no mention of 'three attempts'.

I think it depends on the dealer, truth be told. They all seem to have different ways of handling faulty products.

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Mark replied on Tue, Feb 25 2014 9:47 AM
this is where B&O should have a coherent enforced message across their dealer network. The lemon law is a safety net to help consumers and should not be used as a guide line by sellers and manufactures. The likes of B&O should strive to exceed such at all times.

It is good to hear some dealers already do this and we should champion and applaud them. Is there enough of us on here to vote yearly for Beoworld Dealer of The Year ?

In my business I've always worked on a simple equation that has never failed. Good customer service/aftersales = repeat custom.

we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.

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Raeuber replied on Fri, Apr 4 2014 10:47 AM

Yesterday the panel of my BV 7 was replaced again and now - I can't still believe it - the panel has no faults, just perfect.

So after more than 2 years and so much trouble with the dealer I finally have a perfect Beovision.

But don't tell me that B&O only uses special selected panels from Samsung, I will laughing out loudly!

Greets

Räuber

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Congrats!

But what now, if/when a new super-BV arrives?

 

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Raeuber replied on Fri, Apr 4 2014 11:04 AM
Hi MM,

if it has MASTERLINK, I will go for it!😉

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Raeuber:
Hi MM,

if it has MASTERLINK, I will go for it!😉

Greets Räuber

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Raeuber replied on Fri, Apr 4 2014 11:12 AM
Millemissen:

Then you won't go for it

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

I know, but I'm (finally) really happy with my BV 7-40 Mk 6. Also because I sit only 2,5 meters away from the TV, so a screen with 55 inches or more doesn't make much sense!

Räuber
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Well, you ought to be happy (at least now), because your setup is almost perfect!

No need for a 4K-BV when you sit 2.5 meters away Big Smile

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valve1 replied on Sat, Apr 5 2014 6:00 AM

Glad to hear you got sorted.

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Mark replied on Sat, Apr 5 2014 6:19 PM
congratulations Raeuber.

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